Re: [Nanog-futures] wazza plan

2010-05-28 Thread Randy Bush
 I'll send out a progress update later today, and we're working on a  
 more detailed plan/budget to publish in advance of the community  
 meeting.

thank you!

randy

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Re: [Nanog-futures] wazza plan

2010-05-27 Thread vijay gill
On Wed, May 26, 2010 at 12:00 AM, Randy Bush ra...@psg.com wrote:
 nanog/sf approaches.  will our illustrious leadership be sending out at
 least the basics of a business plan long enough before the meeting that
 we have time to treat it seriously as opposed to flying foils at the so
 called community meeting?

 i would hope to see, at a minimum, three year forward fairly detailed
 pro forma balance sheet, income statement, and cash flow.

I vote we remove these clowns and give it back to merit.

/vijay


 randy

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Re: [Nanog-futures] wazza plan

2010-05-27 Thread Randy Bush
 nanog/sf approaches.  will our illustrious leadership be sending out
 at least the basics of a business plan long enough before the meeting
 that we have time to treat it seriously as opposed to flying foils at
 the so called community meeting?

 i would hope to see, at a minimum, three year forward fairly detailed
 pro forma balance sheet, income statement, and cash flow.
 
 I vote we remove these clowns and give it back to merit.

we have a few weeks to give them the benefit of the doubt and assume
they have a business plan.  after all, it's simple biz 101.

if no clear and believable biz plan *before* nanog, then indeed it is
bozoville and something will have to be done to clean up their mess.

randy

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Re: [Nanog-futures] wazza plan

2010-05-27 Thread vijay gill
On Thu, May 27, 2010 at 1:02 AM, Randy Bush ra...@psg.com wrote:
 nanog/sf approaches.  will our illustrious leadership be sending out
 at least the basics of a business plan long enough before the meeting
 that we have time to treat it seriously as opposed to flying foils at
 the so called community meeting?

 i would hope to see, at a minimum, three year forward fairly detailed
 pro forma balance sheet, income statement, and cash flow.

 I vote we remove these clowns and give it back to merit.

 we have a few weeks to give them the benefit of the doubt and assume
 they have a business plan.  after all, it's simple biz 101.

I've been pinged out of band by several people I have respect for, I
withdraw my statement and am willing now to wait for the plan as per
your timeline.

/vijay


 if no clear and believable biz plan *before* nanog, then indeed it is
 bozoville and something will have to be done to clean up their mess.

 randy


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Re: [Nanog-futures] wazza plan

2010-05-27 Thread Danny McPherson

On May 27, 2010, at 2:02 AM, Randy Bush wrote:

 nanog/sf approaches.  will our illustrious leadership be sending out
 at least the basics of a business plan long enough before the meeting
 that we have time to treat it seriously as opposed to flying foils at
 the so called community meeting?
 
 i would hope to see, at a minimum, three year forward fairly detailed
 pro forma balance sheet, income statement, and cash flow.
 
 I vote we remove these clowns and give it back to merit.
 
 we have a few weeks to give them the benefit of the doubt and assume
 they have a business plan.  after all, it's simple biz 101.
 
 if no clear and believable biz plan *before* nanog, then indeed it is
 bozoville and something will have to be done to clean up their mess.

Irrespective of competence levels (we) elected these folks to 
serve in what they believe to be in the best interests of the NANOG
community.  As such, I've implicitly given them the benefit of the 
doubt to this point.

However, in principle I fully agree with Randy and Vijay here, and 
believe that at least some informal communication on this topic, to 
illustrate they're listening and set some deliverables and associated 
timelines for the plan they're surely working, is quite reasonable, 
will kickoff their transparency agenda, and inform the community.  

Publishing a work plan for these efforts, even absent the details, is 
only reasonable.

-danny


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Re: [Nanog-futures] wazza plan

2010-05-27 Thread Steve Feldman
Randy, Vijay, and Danny are all correct, we owe you information.

I'll send out a progress update later today, and we're working on a  
more detailed plan/budget to publish in advance of the community  
meeting.

Steve

On May 27, 2010, at 9:03 AM, Danny McPherson wrote:


 On May 27, 2010, at 2:02 AM, Randy Bush wrote:

 nanog/sf approaches.  will our illustrious leadership be sending  
 out
 at least the basics of a business plan long enough before the  
 meeting
 that we have time to treat it seriously as opposed to flying  
 foils at
 the so called community meeting?

 i would hope to see, at a minimum, three year forward fairly  
 detailed
 pro forma balance sheet, income statement, and cash flow.

 I vote we remove these clowns and give it back to merit.

 we have a few weeks to give them the benefit of the doubt and assume
 they have a business plan.  after all, it's simple biz 101.

 if no clear and believable biz plan *before* nanog, then indeed it is
 bozoville and something will have to be done to clean up their mess.

 Irrespective of competence levels (we) elected these folks to
 serve in what they believe to be in the best interests of the NANOG
 community.  As such, I've implicitly given them the benefit of the
 doubt to this point.

 However, in principle I fully agree with Randy and Vijay here, and
 believe that at least some informal communication on this topic, to
 illustrate they're listening and set some deliverables and associated
 timelines for the plan they're surely working, is quite reasonable,
 will kickoff their transparency agenda, and inform the community.

 Publishing a work plan for these efforts, even absent the details, is
 only reasonable.

 -danny


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