[nant-dev] Re: [MonoDevelop] #D coorporation

2004-03-19 Thread Giuseppe Greco 
On Fri, 2004-03-19 at 19:26, John Luke wrote:
 On Fri, 2004-03-19 at 19:14 +0100, Giuseppe Greco wrote:
 
  I do not agree!
  
  Just download the following sample application and
  try to build it with the latest version of nant:
  
  http://developer.agamura.com/resources/thermota-0.6.src.tar.gz
  
  We develop our software on Linux, and we use NAnt to build
  it. Of course, at the beginning there were some small problems,
  but now I can assure you that NAnt is quite mature.
  
 
 I guess we will have to agree to disagree here:
 1. Nant has greatly improved recently, and I have used it myself on
 linux for a long time.
 2. Your sample is only managed code.

Yes, that's true... even if you can invoke the
C compiler with the exec task. I'm honest... we
used to compile C code with make/automake, but we
tried, for example, to build our LaTeX docs with
NAnt instead of make, and it works fine.

By the way, I understand you viewpoint.

 3. does nant support building C? 

Just ask it to the NAnt community: Ian, Gert, Jarek, is there any
plan to build C support in NAnt?

 4. There is no one build system that is best for everything
 5. It is not really about nant being immature, more about not solving
 all the same problems as the auto* tools yet
 6. I just tried it and it failed, which means I have to re-download nant
 and update it, see if it works, maybe edit the framework settings, then
 retry, so you see it is not as simple as you think
-- 

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Re: [nant-dev] Re: [MonoDevelop] #D coorporation

2004-03-19 Thread Jaroslaw Kowalski 
  3. does nant support building C?

 Just ask it to the NAnt community: Ian, Gert, Jarek, is there any
 plan to build C support in NAnt?

I don't think it's a good idea for NAnt to directly support C compilation or
even C compiler invocation, just because it's s complex (just look at
the size of typical configure generated by autoconf). NAnt is about
portability.

some-wild-ideas

I think we actually could support the auto* tools instead.

Considering that most C packages today have a pretty standard installation
routines:

./configure --prefix=...  make  make install

NAnt could support it by:

- locating locating and running make executable for you (this is non-trivial
on win32, on Unix you have some options too...). Same thing applies to other
gnu utilities and even /bin/sh.
- setting the appropriate standard environment variables (like CC, CFLAGS,
etc.)
- filtering the build output messages (for example to show only errors and
warnings)
- perhaps we could also support some standard ways of specifying where
components are located (like PKGCONFIG_PATH), e.g. by detecting host OS
type.
- I'm also thinking about automating software tarballs downloads and
extraction (not very sophisticated, we don't want to have another Gentoo or
BSD ports implemented in .NET)

In general, I think NAnt should support running auto*tools instead of
replacing them.

/some-wild-ideas

Awaiting your opinions.

Jarek



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