Re: [nant-dev] MSBuild

2006-10-31 Thread Eric Fetzer 
Yeah, I'm with you, just doing a bit of venting about MS's come inside, make 
all nice, and steal steal steal behavior.  Typical of them...

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Subject: RE: [nant-dev] MSBuild


Hi Eric.

 I don't see much use for NAnt except for legacy stuff.

For what it's worth, I see a place for both tools.

In a significant project I'm working on at the moment, we use MSBuild to
do the actual builds ... But we control it by invoking it from within
NAnt.

Our NAnt scripts take care of a much wider range of activities that
MSBuild doesn't seem to handle nearly as well.

Some examples:
  -  Database maintenance (dropping existing databases, creating fresh
ones)
  -  Testing (Nunit and FIT based)
  -  Creating static (standing) data (through FIT)
  -  Build Archiving (copying to a known archive directory)

Hope this helps,
Bevan.


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Subject: [nant-dev] MSBuild

Does it bug anyone else that MSBuild is almost identical to NAnt with
slight modifications like $( instead of ${ to access properties...  I
remember the manager of MSBuild coming in and acting like MS was going
to play so nice with NAnt, when in reality, he was using it as a project
to copy because obviously the community liked it.  And he's done his
best job at locking NAnt out of being a useful tool with VS2005...  In
fact, once completely converted to 2005,   Am I way off base?




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Re: [nant-dev] MSBuild

2006-10-26 Thread Richard Gavel 
MSBuild, while it can only understand VS2005 format project files, can
target other frameworks. Check out the codeplex projects called MSBee, which
essentially a set of addons to MSBuild to target the 1.1 framework. I also
ended up wrapping msbuild in Nant in a task that provides some of the
functionality that solution does. This is partly because of a pre-existing
investment in Nant, and the number of custom tasks I have developed for
compilation and packaging of non .NET code.

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What about builds targeted towards multiple frameworks?  I don't that
MSBuild (aka MS-NAnt in my office) handles that, nor was expected to for
some time.

Cort


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Re: [nant-dev] MSBuild

2006-10-25 Thread Cort Schaefer 
What about builds targeted towards multiple frameworks?  I don't that
MSBuild (aka MS-NAnt in my office) handles that, nor was expected to for
some time.

Cort

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Does it bug anyone else that MSBuild is almost identical to NAnt with
slight modifications like $( instead of ${ to access properties...  I
remember the manager of MSBuild coming in and acting like MS was going
to play so nice with NAnt, when in reality, he was using it as a project
to copy because obviously the community liked it.  And he's done his
best job at locking NAnt out of being a useful tool with VS2005...  In
fact, once completely converted to 2005, I don't see much use for NAnt
except for legacy stuff.  Am I way off base?




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Re: [nant-dev] MSBuild

2006-10-25 Thread Bevan Arps 

Hi Eric.

 I don't see much use for NAnt except for legacy stuff.

For what it's worth, I see a place for both tools.

In a significant project I'm working on at the moment, we use MSBuild to
do the actual builds ... But we control it by invoking it from within
NAnt.

Our NAnt scripts take care of a much wider range of activities that
MSBuild doesn't seem to handle nearly as well.

Some examples:
  -  Database maintenance (dropping existing databases, creating fresh
ones)
  -  Testing (Nunit and FIT based)
  -  Creating static (standing) data (through FIT)
  -  Build Archiving (copying to a known archive directory)

Hope this helps,
Bevan.


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Sent: Thursday, 26 October 2006 4:34 a.m.
To: NAnt Developers
Subject: [nant-dev] MSBuild

Does it bug anyone else that MSBuild is almost identical to NAnt with
slight modifications like $( instead of ${ to access properties...  I
remember the manager of MSBuild coming in and acting like MS was going
to play so nice with NAnt, when in reality, he was using it as a project
to copy because obviously the community liked it.  And he's done his
best job at locking NAnt out of being a useful tool with VS2005...  In
fact, once completely converted to 2005,   Am I way off base?




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Re: [nant-dev] MSBuild

2006-10-25 Thread Mike Roberts 
On 25/10/06, Bevan Arps [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Hi Eric.

  I don't see much use for NAnt except for legacy stuff.

 For what it's worth, I see a place for both tools.

 In a significant project I'm working on at the moment, we use MSBuild to
 do the actual builds ... But we control it by invoking it from within
 NAnt.

 Our NAnt scripts take care of a much wider range of activities that
 MSBuild doesn't seem to handle nearly as well.


I concur with this. NAnt isn't the best scripting tool on the planet,
but it does a better job at being one than MSBuild. I too wrap MSBuild
(as a compiler) with NAnt.

Mike

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RE: [nant-dev] MSBuild

2003-10-30 Thread Damir Simunic 
MSBuild is obviously a child of Embrace  Extend philosophy; being built-in
in the next version of the framework will do wonders in terms of promoting
the process of automated builds, which are critical to quality in our line
of work. That is a good thing. Nant is already doing it. And that is even
better thing.

This tool won't be in place for another year or so, and we have builds to
run every night. And even when it comes, it won't do too much for our
projects running on 1.0/1.1 framework. We've recently set up a new build
environment based on nant and are building 5 large projects with it (one of
the projects is a fairly complex consumer app with some 12 variants), and
I'm quite happy with it.

My point is that we shouldn't spend too much time on discussing MSBuild now
-- it's too early. Rather, let's try to make Nant work really, really good
right now. It's already useful in this form, and with the great effort that
the guys working on it are putting in, I'm confident nant will be successful
for a long time, even in the longhorn era.

I'd like to see this discussion steer towards defining more focused process
to bring version 1.0 out. What are the next steps, how can we contribute in
terms of testing, building a library of build scripts, documentation, making
the cvs tree being up to date, etc. 

Gerry  co., please keep up the good work.


Damir



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Re: [nant-dev] MSBuild

2003-10-30 Thread Matthew Mastracci 
#1 difference - the source availability!  :)

John Lam wrote:

I've spent a fair amount of time recently with MSBuild, and have the
following set of observations about its relationship to [N]Ant:




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