[neonixie-l] Re: ZM1251

2013-07-10 Thread gregeb...@hotmail.com
Looks like a 5x7 matrix device. I have a much larger one used in pinball 
displays (32 x 128) in my future-projects box.

On Tuesday, July 9, 2013 5:10:22 PM UTC-7, kay486 wrote:

 Hello, does anybody seen this ZM1251 thing? Is it really nixie tube? I 
 would love to see any info.

 http://www.radiomuseum.org/tubes/tube_zm1251.html


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[neonixie-l] Re: ZM1251

2013-07-10 Thread kay486
Could you post some photos here? Does the display you have work like nixie 
(cold cathode discharge in neon)

On Wednesday, 10 July 2013 21:21:37 UTC+1, greg...@hotmail.com wrote:

 Looks like a 5x7 matrix device. I have a much larger one used in pinball 
 displays (32 x 128) in my future-projects box.

 On Tuesday, July 9, 2013 5:10:22 PM UTC-7, kay486 wrote:

 Hello, does anybody seen this ZM1251 thing? Is it really nixie tube? I 
 would love to see any info.

 http://www.radiomuseum.org/tubes/tube_zm1251.html



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[neonixie-l] Re: ZM1251

2013-07-10 Thread kay486
Interesting device. I found this video showing its capabilities. The thing 
that seemed interesing about the ZM1251 is that in the datasheet it looks 
like there is actual lead for every pixel and it must be relatively old 
device, because the datasheet is from 1973. But i might be wrong, because 
all information i have is the one link i posted.


On Wednesday, 10 July 2013 22:49:18 UTC+1, greg...@hotmail.com wrote:

 I'm posting the datasheet I found on the web for the 128x32 display, 
 manufactured by Vishay. Nixie tubes contain a single anode, and multiple 
 cathodes that glow. The neon matrix device uses multiplexed anodes and 
 cathodes. To illuminate pixels, a single particular row is energized, and 
 so are the columns for each pixel that is to be illuminated. The electric 
 field around an energized row is not sufficient in itself to illuminate a 
 pixel (same is true for a column). But when an energized row meets an 
 energized column, there is sufficient field-strength to initiate a 
 discharge. I believe that adjacent unenergized rows and columns have 
 low-enough leakage so that a discharge cannot spread. You may recall that 
 the sustaining field for a discharge is significantly lower than required 
 to initiate it.

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[neonixie-l] Question about trigger tube

2013-07-10 Thread Clarke Payne
Hi all,
I am new to the forum. I have previously built clocks using b7971 nixies.
I have been gathering parts for a trigger tube or neon bulb ring counter
clock. After searching for the past few days,I have not had any luck
finding trigger tubes,which I understand to be a neon bulb with an extra
wire. The xc18 info I found lists no substitutes. I have a bag of ne2's and
in3's. I was wondering if anyone knew of a russian substitutes for the xc18?
Any suggestions and advice would be very much appreciated. Thanks
Clarke Payne

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Re: [neonixie-l] Question about trigger tube

2013-07-10 Thread John Rehwinkel
 I have been gathering parts for a trigger tube or neon bulb ring counter 
 clock. After searching for the past few days,I have not had any luck finding 
 trigger tubes,which I understand to be a neon bulb with an extra wire. The 
 xc18 info I found lists no substitutes. I have a bag of ne2's and in3's. I 
 was wondering if anyone knew of a russian substitutes for the xc18?

The ТХ4Б and  ТХ3Б (often listed as TH4B and TH3B) are common small 
thyratrons/trigger tubes.  However, I don't know how equivalent they are.

- John

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[neonixie-l] Re: ZM1251

2013-07-10 Thread Tristan
I've had some success with a 256 x 64 version of one of these displays. 
https://sites.google.com/site/tristansideas/electronics/pinball-display-clock

You can achieve grayscale by using several sub-frames. It's a pity there 
hasn't been much spare time to work on that particular project and finish 
it off.

On Thursday, July 11, 2013 7:49:18 AM UTC+10, greg...@hotmail.com wrote:

 I'm posting the datasheet I found on the web for the 128x32 display, 
 manufactured by Vishay. Nixie tubes contain a single anode, and multiple 
 cathodes that glow. The neon matrix device uses multiplexed anodes and 
 cathodes. To illuminate pixels, a single particular row is energized, and 
 so are the columns for each pixel that is to be illuminated. The electric 
 field around an energized row is not sufficient in itself to illuminate a 
 pixel (same is true for a column). But when an energized row meets an 
 energized column, there is sufficient field-strength to initiate a 
 discharge. I believe that adjacent unenergized rows and columns have 
 low-enough leakage so that a discharge cannot spread. You may recall that 
 the sustaining field for a discharge is significantly lower than required 
 to initiate it.

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