[neonixie-l] nwts now with case
Hi guys, Just to let you know that you can now order *nwts* with a glossy black acrylic case too. Also, when buying *nwts*, you can now also select either an audio cable or a metal adapter to connect *nwts* to your device. If you ordered *nwts* before the cases were available and are interested in buying one, you can order the case separately with free postage. Contact me to get your discount coupon. (Only valid for customers who bought *nwts* without cases and discount is only applied on the postage of the same amount of boxes as ordered *nwts* devices). OK, no more spamming! Cheers, Manuel Azevedo https://www.tindie.com/stores/mazevedo/ http://azevedo-devices.com/ -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "neonixie-l" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to neonixie-l+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send an email to neonixie-l@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web, visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/neonixie-l/78f03017-a0c8-45c2-b0fc-62353fde421d%40googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [neonixie-l] Faulty Atmel Microcontrollers from Aliexpress
Before the Microchip acquisition, Atmel wasn't exactly fabless, they had purchased a few smaller companies that came with fabs. I don't know where the AVR series is made. The problem is likely counterfeit parts, or die that didn't test 100%, and "leaked" out of fabs... This is more common than chip vendors like to admit. It has happened to TI and Burr-Brown for example. Sometimes good die leak out as well, but the handling and packaging at that point is unreliable. Terry On Sunday, December 18, 2016 at 10:49:39 AM UTC-6, NeonJohn wrote: > > No idea, though I can't imagine them changing their entire work flow and > methods just like that. The blank silicon may come from MicroChip now. > > John > > > On 12/18/2016 11:34 AM, John Rehwinkel wrote: > >> Atmel is what is known as a foundryless manufacturer. That is they > have > >> hunks of silicon logic manufactured by someone else. > > > > Is that still true, after their acquisition by Microchip? > > > > - John > > > > -- > John DeArmond > Tellico Plains, Occupied TN > http://www.tnduction.com<-- THE source for induction heaters > http://www.neon-john.com<-- email from here > http://www.johndearmond.com <-- Best damned Blog on the net > PGP key: wwwkeys.pgp.net: BCB68D77 > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "neonixie-l" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to neonixie-l+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send an email to neonixie-l@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web, visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/neonixie-l/f347e906-6041-4820-ab9d-697fa1070400%40googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [neonixie-l] Faulty Atmel Microcontrollers from Aliexpress
I agree with what you and the others have said. I should mention, the reason why I want to warn the others about this is because the listings on sites such as Aliexpress/Alibaba actually do say that the component is "original" and "new". If it was marked as refurbished or something like that, I would have never ordered it in the first place. I should also mention that I had many other orders from other sellers for components such as capacitors, resistors, inductors, power ICs, etc...and all of them work 100% fine and came packaged in a sealed reel. I guess it's the microcontrollers that are mostly prone to such scams. Dana nedjelja, 18. prosinca 2016. u 00:22:01 UTC+1, korisnik nixiebunny napisao je: > > I buy parts from Digikey for this reason. They always work. Think how > much money and time you would have saved by spending more on legitimate > components. > > On 12/17/2016 1:26 PM, Luka C wrote: > > I'm writing this to warn others or ask if anyone had similar > > experiences. I purchased a lot of Atmel ATMEGA328P microcontrollers from > > a seller on Aliexpress. The lot was listed as "new" in the description > > and had a picture of the microcontroller in the reel so I thought it's a > > legit new sealed lot. After the package arrived, I noticed the > > microcontrollers were not in a real and were just randomly taped on a > > piece of some material with some semitransparent tape. I sent the boards > > to the local PCB soldering company and they have soldered > > microcontrollers on the boards. I flashed the program and the first > > board and it worked just fine so I thought I made a great deal because > > the price was really good for the lot. > > > > But this is where things became strange, after I was done programming > > the first board, I tested the other boards. The results were strange to > > say at least. Some of the microcontrollers came in a "state" where any > > fuse reprogramming was impossible (btw, SPIEN was not disabled in the > > fuses!). Two particular microncontroller samples were really strange. > > > > One seemed to execute really strange sequences of commands without any > > reason and my nixie clock would get frozen every now and then. Since I > > own the debugger (Atmel ICE), I decided to debug the firmware on the > > chip. It turns out that the chip would go really crazy when, for > > example, 0 and 5 were displayed on the two middle tubes on my clock. The > > debugger call stack showed that one function was executed when it should > > not have been and the values of variables in the programmed had values > > that in no way could be there in the normal program operation. > > > > Second one had trouble outputting data to the LED controller. Debugging > > this one's firmware showed that the microcontroller was not frozen and > > in fact was sending data to the LED controller but I guess the data was > > not properly formatted or something. > > > > There were some boards with perfectly fine chips so I decided to do a > > simple tested. Since my clock consists of 2 boards, one for the > > microcontrollers and power supply circuitry and the other one for the > > nixie tubes and the LEDs, I decided to do a test and swapped the board > > with the tubes and LEDs across both "working" and "faulty" > > microcontroller boards. The working ones never produced not a single > > fault or glitch, I tried to replicate the bugs on them with no success. > > On the other hand, the faulty ones were impossible to fix even by > > reflashing the microcontrollers multiple times with the exact same hex > > filed used to flash the working ones. > > > > At the end, I am confused. I am not sure what to conclude from this > > really. I believe the fault is not in the board itself (PCB layout or > > connections) but that it comes from the faulty microcontrollers I have > > purchased. After doing a little research on the internet, I found some > > people saying that these Chinese companies basically buy used equipment > > and remove the microcontrollers from them or that they simply purchased > > large quantities of chips that have failed quality control and sells > > them at lower prices. I will try to find a way to remove the faulty ones > > from the boards and replace them with new ones purchased from RS > > Components and then do the tests again. > > > > Anyone ever had similar experiences or has any idea why would this > happen? > > > > > -- > David Forbes, Tucson AZ > > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "neonixie-l" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to neonixie-l+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send an email to neonixie-l@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web, visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/neonixie-l/d1d3cb3b-8fe7-4bdc-bacd-da2d954f0ce6%40googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https:/
Re: [neonixie-l] Faulty Atmel Microcontrollers from Aliexpress
No idea, though I can't imagine them changing their entire work flow and methods just like that. The blank silicon may come from MicroChip now. John On 12/18/2016 11:34 AM, John Rehwinkel wrote: >> Atmel is what is known as a foundryless manufacturer. That is they have >> hunks of silicon logic manufactured by someone else. > > Is that still true, after their acquisition by Microchip? > > - John > -- John DeArmond Tellico Plains, Occupied TN http://www.tnduction.com<-- THE source for induction heaters http://www.neon-john.com<-- email from here http://www.johndearmond.com <-- Best damned Blog on the net PGP key: wwwkeys.pgp.net: BCB68D77 -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "neonixie-l" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to neonixie-l+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send an email to neonixie-l@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web, visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/neonixie-l/8a707249-6735-0bba-4c14-38f9aa712e87%40neon-john.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [neonixie-l] Faulty Atmel Microcontrollers from Aliexpress
> Atmel is what is known as a foundryless manufacturer. That is they have > hunks of silicon logic manufactured by someone else. Is that still true, after their acquisition by Microchip? - John -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "neonixie-l" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to neonixie-l+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send an email to neonixie-l@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web, visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/neonixie-l/6FED0F88-F77E-4696-99AD-7411F1CC7D72%40mac.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [neonixie-l] Faulty Atmel Microcontrollers from Aliexpress
Likewise - as I used to be in the UK, it was Farnell (Element 14, who also own Newark), RS, Rapid or similar. Occasionally, I'd use DigiKey or Mouser, both of whom have UK delivery services at respectable rates. Out here in the UAE, it's still Farnell but I have to wait two days instead of one :) Nick On Sunday, 18 December 2016 03:22:01 UTC+4, nixiebunny wrote: > > I buy parts from Digikey for this reason. They always work. Think how > much money and time you would have saved by spending more on legitimate > components. > > On 12/17/2016 1:26 PM, Luka C wrote: > > I'm writing this to warn others or ask if anyone had similar > > experiences. I purchased a lot of Atmel ATMEGA328P microcontrollers from > > a seller on Aliexpress. The lot was listed as "new" in the description > > and had a picture of the microcontroller in the reel so I thought it's a > > legit new sealed lot. After the package arrived, I noticed the > > microcontrollers were not in a real and were just randomly taped on a > > piece of some material with some semitransparent tape. I sent the boards > > to the local PCB soldering company and they have soldered > > microcontrollers on the boards. I flashed the program and the first > > board and it worked just fine so I thought I made a great deal because > > the price was really good for the lot. > > > > But this is where things became strange, after I was done programming > > the first board, I tested the other boards. The results were strange to > > say at least. Some of the microcontrollers came in a "state" where any > > fuse reprogramming was impossible (btw, SPIEN was not disabled in the > > fuses!). Two particular microncontroller samples were really strange. > > > > One seemed to execute really strange sequences of commands without any > > reason and my nixie clock would get frozen every now and then. Since I > > own the debugger (Atmel ICE), I decided to debug the firmware on the > > chip. It turns out that the chip would go really crazy when, for > > example, 0 and 5 were displayed on the two middle tubes on my clock. The > > debugger call stack showed that one function was executed when it should > > not have been and the values of variables in the programmed had values > > that in no way could be there in the normal program operation. > > > > Second one had trouble outputting data to the LED controller. Debugging > > this one's firmware showed that the microcontroller was not frozen and > > in fact was sending data to the LED controller but I guess the data was > > not properly formatted or something. > > > > There were some boards with perfectly fine chips so I decided to do a > > simple tested. Since my clock consists of 2 boards, one for the > > microcontrollers and power supply circuitry and the other one for the > > nixie tubes and the LEDs, I decided to do a test and swapped the board > > with the tubes and LEDs across both "working" and "faulty" > > microcontroller boards. The working ones never produced not a single > > fault or glitch, I tried to replicate the bugs on them with no success. > > On the other hand, the faulty ones were impossible to fix even by > > reflashing the microcontrollers multiple times with the exact same hex > > filed used to flash the working ones. > > > > At the end, I am confused. I am not sure what to conclude from this > > really. I believe the fault is not in the board itself (PCB layout or > > connections) but that it comes from the faulty microcontrollers I have > > purchased. After doing a little research on the internet, I found some > > people saying that these Chinese companies basically buy used equipment > > and remove the microcontrollers from them or that they simply purchased > > large quantities of chips that have failed quality control and sells > > them at lower prices. I will try to find a way to remove the faulty ones > > from the boards and replace them with new ones purchased from RS > > Components and then do the tests again. > > > > Anyone ever had similar experiences or has any idea why would this > happen? > > > > > -- > David Forbes, Tucson AZ > > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "neonixie-l" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to neonixie-l+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send an email to neonixie-l@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web, visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/neonixie-l/551e9a17-38ec-4e4a-a23d-b2f0478a8fab%40googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
