[neonixie-l] Identify Part

[Jeff Walton]

Can anyone identify this part?  Part of a board that has one input and 8 
outputs.

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Re: [neonixie-l] Re: IN-8-2 Anode wire broken

[Jasper nagle]

Hello I’m thinking you might be able to 3d print a spacer if you have a 3d
printer then glue it to the tube then put some conductive glue in the hole
in the spacer where the pin is missing and then stick the pin in there that
might help the little wire not break off again too

On Fri, 24 Mar 2023 at 2:47 pm, Benoit Tourret 
wrote:

> It is not a crack, it is the mica spacer inside the tube.
>
> Le jeudi 23 mars 2023 à 23:50:10 UTC+1, gregebert a écrit :
>
>> In the large photo above, there appears to be a crack near the base of
>> the tube. If it really is a crack, there will be a vacuum leak.
>>
>> On Thursday, March 23, 2023 at 1:56:53 PM UTC-7 Jeff Walton wrote:
>>
>>> You cut the small slot next to the wire.  That way you do not have an
>>> “end-to-end” connection.  It will allow a side-to-side connection based on
>>> how deep you make the slot.  It will still be short but much better
>>> mechanically than end to end.  Must use very thin wire, like wire wrap wire.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Jeff
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> *From:* neoni...@googlegroups.com  *On
>>> Behalf Of *Benoit Tourret
>>> *Sent:* Thursday, March 23, 2023 3:52 PM
>>> *To:* neonixie-l 
>>> *Subject:* Re: [neonixie-l] Re: IN-8-2 Anode wire broken
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Thanks everybody.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> I know that tube is not the more expensive I have, but, I can try to
>>> gain experience for an other tube ...
>>>
>>> this one have all other legs with 35mm length. I can already use it with
>>> one sign as cathode. easy for a clock: 6, 7, 8 and 9 are not used by 50% of
>>> the tubes.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> I have two others in-8-2 with shorts pins, (between 2mm and 10mm)
>>>
>>> I will try to save the maximum, even if they are glued on a support, I
>>> can manage a connector for testing purpose.
>>>
>>> I wonder if tin soldier is not a bit weak, I never could solder the two
>>> wires end to end. may be I should try with a spot welding ???
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> I definitly prefers loose a pair of ИН-8-2 to gain a bit of experience
>>> ;-)
>>>
>>> Le jeudi 23 mars 2023 à 19:00:08 UTC+1, Nicholas Stock a écrit :
>>>
>>> Benoit, whilst Jeff's advice is great, for an IN-8-2 tube, I'm not sure
>>> it's worth all that effort. Now, if it was a Z568 or NL7094 etc, then yeah,
>>> I'd go to those lengths for sure, but IN-8-2's can still be had for $15 or
>>> so
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> If you can't find any, then PM me, I can sell you a couple if you need
>>> them for a reasonable price.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Cheers,
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Nick
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Thu, Mar 23, 2023 at 10:43 AM Jeff Walton  wrote:
>>>
>>> I have used a Dremel tool with a small high-speed diamond or carbide
>>> wheel and created a small slot opening in the glass next to the wire.  You
>>> can carefully make a soldered or conductive glue connection with a wire
>>> wrap or some other small gauge wire (30-32 ga) .  Scrape the edge of the
>>> nixie wire that you expose to get a bare metal surface and carefully make a
>>> connection.  After, carefully use acetone (or other) solvent to clean the
>>> area around the pin and use a drop of epoxy or UV cure adhesive to protect
>>> the connection and secure the small gauge wire to the base of the tube to
>>> eliminate stress.  You will need to protect the connection from future
>>> stress but as long as you do not further damage the glass/glass wire seal,
>>> it should serve you moving forward.  The rest of the intact leads will
>>> handle the mounting.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> You do have risk of breaking the tube if you are not careful but it does
>>> give you a viable option to save an otherwise good nixie.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Jeff
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> *From:* neoni...@googlegroups.com  *On
>>> Behalf Of *Benoit Tourret
>>> *Sent:* Thursday, March 23, 2023 8:33 AM
>>> *To:* neonixie-l 
>>> *Subject:* Re: [neonixie-l] Re: IN-8-2 Anode wire broken
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> The cable is way too short. It must be about 0.1 mm
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Le lundi 20 mars 2023 à 19:50:04 UTC+1, Michail Wilson a écrit :
>>>
>>> Why not try to quick soldier a lead wire to it.  I’ve done it often with
>>> a number of IN-14s I’ve received.   Especially since I use the decimal
>>> points which many have had the legs cut off when they were installed in
>>> equipment half a century earlier.Flux it up and a quick hit with iron
>>> and solder to tin it and then again when you get a wire you’re happy with
>>> to soldier to it.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Sent from Space
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Mar 20, 2023, at 10:59 AM, martin martin  wrote:
>>>
>>> 
>>>
>>> I used the conductive adhesive on a Mini Cooper to repair the window
>>> antenna for FM.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> It did not work at all.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Mon, Mar 20, 2023 at 10:56 Benoit Tourret 
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> I never thought using a cathode as anode...
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> I just tested , plugging the number 8 on +170V, all the other number are
>>> working when grounded.
>>>
>>> same with the number 4. those two numbers gave the best results. good
>>> idea to recycl

[neonixie-l] Re: Identify Part

[Dekatron42]

What board is it soldered to, an overview photo might help a lot.

/Martin

On Friday, 24 March 2023 at 08:00:05 UTC+1 Jeff Walton wrote:

> Can anyone identify this part?  Part of a board that has one input and 8 
> outputs.
>

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Re: [neonixie-l] Are here any good small alarm clocks for use on night table?

[Dekatron42]

Thank you for all comments, had hoped for a few more though.

It seems that most Nixie clocks nowadays are for showing the Nixies 
themselves and not for use as alarm clocks.

The hunt goes on and I might cobble something together myself with the help 
from some kit.

/Martin

On Saturday, 11 February 2023 at 02:01:50 UTC+1 Jeff Walton wrote:

> AM and FM Radio part is not so good...  
>
> Beautiful workmanship and clock.  Bluetooth works nicely. 
>
> Jeff 
>
>  Original message 
> From: Paul Andrews  
> Date: 2/10/23 6:52 PM (GMT-06:00) 
> To: neonixie-l  
> Subject: Re: [neonixie-l] Are here any good small alarm clocks for use on 
> night table? 
>
>
> Another option is the retio at https://retio.co
> On Thursday, February 9, 2023 at 10:25:56 PM UTC-5 Terry S wrote:
>
>> I'd like to know more about it Pete.
>> Terry
>>
>> On Saturday, February 4, 2023 at 10:55:18 PM UTC-6 petehand wrote:
>>
>>> I designed one about ten years ago. I made a few and offered them on 
>>> Ebay, but nobody was interested. The prototype has been waking me reliably 
>>> in the morning for ten years. It has IN17s, 12 or 24 hour mode, two 
>>> completely independent alarms, snooze adjustable 1 to 9 minutes, a tilt 
>>> switch for snooze (reach out blindly and slap it) and a supercap to keep 
>>> time for a nominal 24 hours if it gets unplugged. It uses a 12V wall wart 
>>> for power. I believe I still have one left, tucked in a drawer somewhere, 
>>> and a few partly assembled boards and parts. 
>>>
>>> [image: IN17 alarm front.jpg]
>>>
>>> [image: IN17 alarm open.jpg]
>>>
>>> I'm old and tired now and I'm never going to pick this project up again. 
>>> Does anybody feel like taking it over? It's a shame to let it die.
>>>
>>>
>>>
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[neonixie-l] does anyone know the trick to pre tin the leads on mtx-90 tubes

[Jasper nagle]

tubes im having no luck putting tin to them i even managed to tin the 
painted surface i was working on in the process 

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[neonixie-l] Re: does anyone know the trick to pre tin the leads on mtx-90 tubes

[Batareyka]

H3PO4
or
H3PO4 + HCl (10:1)

пятница, 24 марта 2023 г. в 12:33:31 UTC+2, Jasper nagle: 

> tubes im having no luck putting tin to them i even managed to tin the 
> painted surface i was working on in the process 
>

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Re: [neonixie-l] Re: does anyone know the trick to pre tin the leads on mtx-90 tubes

[Jasper nagle]

thanks for that

On Fri, Mar 24, 2023 at 7:01 PM Batareyka  wrote:

> H3PO4
> or
> H3PO4 + HCl (10:1)
>
> пятница, 24 марта 2023 г. в 12:33:31 UTC+2, Jasper nagle:
>
>> tubes im having no luck putting tin to them i even managed to tin the
>> painted surface i was working on in the process
>>
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Re: [neonixie-l] Re: does anyone know the trick to pre tin the leads on mtx-90 tubes

[Paul Andrews]

I had read that the little balls on the ends of the leads are solder. Is 
that not true?

On Friday, March 24, 2023 at 7:17:05 AM UTC-4 Jasper nagle wrote:

> thanks for that
>
> On Fri, Mar 24, 2023 at 7:01 PM Batareyka  wrote:
>
>> H3PO4
>> or
>> H3PO4 + HCl (10:1)
>>
>> пятница, 24 марта 2023 г. в 12:33:31 UTC+2, Jasper nagle: 
>>
>>> tubes im having no luck putting tin to them i even managed to tin the 
>>> painted surface i was working on in the process 
>>>
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>> 
>> .
>>
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Re: [neonixie-l] Re: does anyone know the trick to pre tin the leads on mtx-90 tubes

[Jasper nagle]

Yes that is true but I’m working with some used ones that have been cut

On Fri, 24 Mar 2023 at 8:10 pm, Paul Andrews  wrote:

> I had read that the little balls on the ends of the leads are solder. Is
> that not true?
>
> On Friday, March 24, 2023 at 7:17:05 AM UTC-4 Jasper nagle wrote:
>
>> thanks for that
>>
>> On Fri, Mar 24, 2023 at 7:01 PM Batareyka  wrote:
>>
>>> H3PO4
>>> or
>>> H3PO4 + HCl (10:1)
>>>
>>> пятница, 24 марта 2023 г. в 12:33:31 UTC+2, Jasper nagle:
>>>
 tubes im having no luck putting tin to them i even managed to tin the
 painted surface i was working on in the process

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Re: [neonixie-l] Are here any good small alarm clocks for use on night table?

[Moses]

Yes, I think you are correct, most people who buy or built nixie clocks are 
not looking for an alarm, but some are!
I will have new firmware for my pair of clocks that adds an alarm function, 
I need about another week :)
Sneak peak at the Alarm config page below.

Regards,
-Moses

[image: neonixie-clock-alarm-page-preview-03-21-2023.jpg]

On Friday, March 24, 2023 at 2:13:18 AM UTC-7 Dekatron42 wrote:

> Thank you for all comments, had hoped for a few more though.
>
> It seems that most Nixie clocks nowadays are for showing the Nixies 
> themselves and not for use as alarm clocks.
>
> The hunt goes on and I might cobble something together myself with the 
> help from some kit.
>
> /Martin
>
> On Saturday, 11 February 2023 at 02:01:50 UTC+1 Jeff Walton wrote:
>
>> AM and FM Radio part is not so good...  
>>
>> Beautiful workmanship and clock.  Bluetooth works nicely. 
>>
>> Jeff 
>>
>>  Original message 
>> From: Paul Andrews  
>> Date: 2/10/23 6:52 PM (GMT-06:00) 
>> To: neonixie-l  
>> Subject: Re: [neonixie-l] Are here any good small alarm clocks for use on 
>> night table? 
>>
>>
>> Another option is the retio at https://retio.co
>> On Thursday, February 9, 2023 at 10:25:56 PM UTC-5 Terry S wrote:
>>
>>> I'd like to know more about it Pete.
>>> Terry
>>>
>>> On Saturday, February 4, 2023 at 10:55:18 PM UTC-6 petehand wrote:
>>>
 I designed one about ten years ago. I made a few and offered them on 
 Ebay, but nobody was interested. The prototype has been waking me reliably 
 in the morning for ten years. It has IN17s, 12 or 24 hour mode, two 
 completely independent alarms, snooze adjustable 1 to 9 minutes, a tilt 
 switch for snooze (reach out blindly and slap it) and a supercap to keep 
 time for a nominal 24 hours if it gets unplugged. It uses a 12V wall wart 
 for power. I believe I still have one left, tucked in a drawer somewhere, 
 and a few partly assembled boards and parts. 

 [image: IN17 alarm front.jpg]

 [image: IN17 alarm open.jpg]

 I'm old and tired now and I'm never going to pick this project up 
 again. Does anybody feel like taking it over? It's a shame to let it die.



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Re: [neonixie-l] Are here any good small alarm clocks for use on night table?

[Nicholas Stock]

Pete, I'd relish having a go at building one of those if you're releasing
the plans etc. PM me if possible to discuss.

Cheers,

Nick

On Fri, Mar 24, 2023 at 12:12 PM Moses  wrote:

> Yes, I think you are correct, most people who buy or built nixie clocks
> are not looking for an alarm, but some are!
> I will have new firmware for my pair of clocks that adds an alarm
> function, I need about another week :)
> Sneak peak at the Alarm config page below.
>
> Regards,
> -Moses
>
> [image: neonixie-clock-alarm-page-preview-03-21-2023.jpg]
>
> On Friday, March 24, 2023 at 2:13:18 AM UTC-7 Dekatron42 wrote:
>
>> Thank you for all comments, had hoped for a few more though.
>>
>> It seems that most Nixie clocks nowadays are for showing the Nixies
>> themselves and not for use as alarm clocks.
>>
>> The hunt goes on and I might cobble something together myself with the
>> help from some kit.
>>
>> /Martin
>>
>> On Saturday, 11 February 2023 at 02:01:50 UTC+1 Jeff Walton wrote:
>>
>>> AM and FM Radio part is not so good...
>>>
>>> Beautiful workmanship and clock.  Bluetooth works nicely.
>>>
>>> Jeff
>>>
>>>  Original message 
>>> From: Paul Andrews 
>>> Date: 2/10/23 6:52 PM (GMT-06:00)
>>> To: neonixie-l 
>>> Subject: Re: [neonixie-l] Are here any good small alarm clocks for use
>>> on night table?
>>>
>>>
>>> Another option is the retio at https://retio.co
>>> On Thursday, February 9, 2023 at 10:25:56 PM UTC-5 Terry S wrote:
>>>
 I'd like to know more about it Pete.
 Terry

 On Saturday, February 4, 2023 at 10:55:18 PM UTC-6 petehand wrote:

> I designed one about ten years ago. I made a few and offered them on
> Ebay, but nobody was interested. The prototype has been waking me reliably
> in the morning for ten years. It has IN17s, 12 or 24 hour mode, two
> completely independent alarms, snooze adjustable 1 to 9 minutes, a tilt
> switch for snooze (reach out blindly and slap it) and a supercap to keep
> time for a nominal 24 hours if it gets unplugged. It uses a 12V wall wart
> for power. I believe I still have one left, tucked in a drawer somewhere,
> and a few partly assembled boards and parts.
>
> [image: IN17 alarm front.jpg]
>
> [image: IN17 alarm open.jpg]
>
> I'm old and tired now and I'm never going to pick this project up
> again. Does anybody feel like taking it over? It's a shame to let it die.
>
>
>
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Re: [neonixie-l] Are here any good small alarm clocks for use on night table?

[martin martin]

PV electronics also has Nixie clocks with alarm functions



On Fri, Mar 24, 2023 at 12:12 Moses  wrote:

> Yes, I think you are correct, most people who buy or built nixie clocks
> are not looking for an alarm, but some are!
> I will have new firmware for my pair of clocks that adds an alarm
> function, I need about another week :)
> Sneak peak at the Alarm config page below.
>
> Regards,
> -Moses
>
> [image: neonixie-clock-alarm-page-preview-03-21-2023.jpg]
>
> On Friday, March 24, 2023 at 2:13:18 AM UTC-7 Dekatron42 wrote:
>
>> Thank you for all comments, had hoped for a few more though.
>>
>> It seems that most Nixie clocks nowadays are for showing the Nixies
>> themselves and not for use as alarm clocks.
>>
>> The hunt goes on and I might cobble something together myself with the
>> help from some kit.
>>
>> /Martin
>>
>> On Saturday, 11 February 2023 at 02:01:50 UTC+1 Jeff Walton wrote:
>>
>>> AM and FM Radio part is not so good...
>>>
>>> Beautiful workmanship and clock.  Bluetooth works nicely.
>>>
>>> Jeff
>>>
>>>  Original message 
>>> From: Paul Andrews 
>>> Date: 2/10/23 6:52 PM (GMT-06:00)
>>> To: neonixie-l 
>>> Subject: Re: [neonixie-l] Are here any good small alarm clocks for use
>>> on night table?
>>>
>>>
>>> Another option is the retio at https://retio.co
>>> On Thursday, February 9, 2023 at 10:25:56 PM UTC-5 Terry S wrote:
>>>
 I'd like to know more about it Pete.
 Terry

 On Saturday, February 4, 2023 at 10:55:18 PM UTC-6 petehand wrote:

> I designed one about ten years ago. I made a few and offered them on
> Ebay, but nobody was interested. The prototype has been waking me reliably
> in the morning for ten years. It has IN17s, 12 or 24 hour mode, two
> completely independent alarms, snooze adjustable 1 to 9 minutes, a tilt
> switch for snooze (reach out blindly and slap it) and a supercap to keep
> time for a nominal 24 hours if it gets unplugged. It uses a 12V wall wart
> for power. I believe I still have one left, tucked in a drawer somewhere,
> and a few partly assembled boards and parts.
>
> [image: IN17 alarm front.jpg]
>
> [image: IN17 alarm open.jpg]
>
> I'm old and tired now and I'm never going to pick this project up
> again. Does anybody feel like taking it over? It's a shame to let it die.
>
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Re: [neonixie-l] Are here any good small alarm clocks for use on night table?

[Allen]

Nice! I can’t wait to try this. Allen Wisbey, W1SBYOn Mar 24, 2023, at 2:12 PM, Moses  wrote:Yes, I think you are correct, most people who buy or built nixie clocks are not looking for an alarm, but some are!I will have new firmware for my pair of clocks that adds an alarm function, I need about another week :)Sneak peak at the Alarm config page below.Regards,-MosesOn Friday, March 24, 2023 at 2:13:18 AM UTC-7 Dekatron42 wrote:Thank you for all comments, had hoped for a few more though.It seems that most Nixie clocks nowadays are for showing the Nixies themselves and not for use as alarm clocks.The hunt goes on and I might cobble something together myself with the help from some kit./MartinOn Saturday, 11 February 2023 at 02:01:50 UTC+1 Jeff Walton wrote:AM and FM Radio part is not so good...  Beautiful workmanship and clock.  Bluetooth works nicely. Jeff  Original message From: Paul Andrews  Date: 2/10/23  6:52 PM  (GMT-06:00) To: neonixie-l  Subject: Re: [neonixie-l] Are here any good small alarm clocks for use on night table? Another option is the retio at https://retio.coOn Thursday, February 9, 2023 at 10:25:56 PM UTC-5 Terry S wrote:I'd like to know more about it Pete.TerryOn Saturday, February 4, 2023 at 10:55:18 PM UTC-6 petehand wrote:I designed one about ten years ago. I made a few and offered them on Ebay, but nobody was interested. The prototype has been waking me reliably in the morning for ten years. It has IN17s, 12 or 24 hour mode, two completely independent alarms, snooze adjustable 1 to 9 minutes, a tilt switch for snooze (reach out blindly and slap it) and a supercap to keep time for a nominal 24 hours if it gets unplugged. It uses a 12V wall wart for power. I believe I still have one left, tucked in a drawer somewhere, and a few partly assembled boards and parts. I'm old and tired now and I'm never going to pick this project up again. Does anybody feel like taking it over? It's a shame to let it die.



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[neonixie-l] Re: Identify Part

[Neil QQ]

Is that a SOT8 package?

I've found these sites to be helpful:

http://www.marsport.org.uk/smd/mainframe.htm
https://www.s-manuals.com/smd
https://smd.yooneed.one

Many other similar sites.



On Friday, March 24, 2023 at 4:09:51 AM UTC-5 Dekatron42 wrote:

> What board is it soldered to, an overview photo might help a lot.
>
> /Martin
>
> On Friday, 24 March 2023 at 08:00:05 UTC+1 Jeff Walton wrote:
>
>> Can anyone identify this part?  Part of a board that has one input and 8 
>> outputs.
>>
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[neonixie-l] ScopeClock and GPS

[MichaelB]

I have assembled one of the above, but have been unable to get the GPS to 
work. Has anyone had any luck with this and if so, what GPS receiver did 
you use? I ordered the recommended one, but received the BU-353N ( supposed 
the replacement for the no longer available BU-353-S4) and it wont work. 
Have not been able to get hold of David for help. Wondering if he's on 
vacation?? Thx in advance

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Re: [neonixie-l] ScopeClock and GPS

[Nicholas Stock]

Hi Michael. I have the BU-353S4 on mine and it is working fine. However,
the clock does not display anything until it gets a GPS lock as far as I
can tell...

On Fri, Mar 24, 2023 at 1:41 PM MichaelB  wrote:

> I have assembled one of the above, but have been unable to get the GPS to
> work. Has anyone had any luck with this and if so, what GPS receiver did
> you use? I ordered the recommended one, but received the BU-353N ( supposed
> the replacement for the no longer available BU-353-S4) and it wont work.
> Have not been able to get hold of David for help. Wondering if he's on
> vacation?? Thx in advance
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Re: [neonixie-l] ScopeClock and GPS

[MichaelB]

OK then. There must be something unique about that older puck. Is it the
5Hz version? I notice that one is 115,200 baud vs the more common 4800
On Friday, March 24, 2023 at 1:50:12 PM UTC-7 Nicholas Stock wrote:

> Hi Michael. I have the BU-353S4 on mine and it is working fine. However, 
> the clock does not display anything until it gets a GPS lock as far as I 
> can tell...
>
> On Fri, Mar 24, 2023 at 1:41 PM MichaelB  wrote:
>
>> I have assembled one of the above, but have been unable to get the GPS to 
>> work. Has anyone had any luck with this and if so, what GPS receiver did 
>> you use? I ordered the recommended one, but received the BU-353N ( supposed 
>> the replacement for the no longer available BU-353-S4) and it wont work. 
>> Have not been able to get hold of David for help. Wondering if he's on 
>> vacation?? Thx in advance 
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Re: [neonixie-l] ScopeClock and GPS

['Phil' via neonixie-l]

Hi Michael, I'm also using the BU-353S4 on mine and it's working fine too. 
I believe that the software that David ships with the clock is looking for 
a 4800 baud rate with one NEMA message string update per second. Anything 
else is not going to play well. The code is on github ( SCTVcode/SCTVcode 
at main · nixiebunny/SCTVcode (github.com) 
 if you want to 
verify that for yourself.

On Friday, March 24, 2023 at 2:29:28 PM UTC-7 MichaelB wrote:

> OK then. There must be something unique about that older puck. Is it the
> 5Hz version? I notice that one is 115,200 baud vs the more common 4800
> On Friday, March 24, 2023 at 1:50:12 PM UTC-7 Nicholas Stock wrote:
>
>> Hi Michael. I have the BU-353S4 on mine and it is working fine. However, 
>> the clock does not display anything until it gets a GPS lock as far as I 
>> can tell...
>>
>> On Fri, Mar 24, 2023 at 1:41 PM MichaelB  wrote:
>>
>>> I have assembled one of the above, but have been unable to get the GPS 
>>> to work. Has anyone had any luck with this and if so, what GPS receiver did 
>>> you use? I ordered the recommended one, but received the BU-353N ( supposed 
>>> the replacement for the no longer available BU-353-S4) and it wont work. 
>>> Have not been able to get hold of David for help. Wondering if he's on 
>>> vacation?? Thx in advance 
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