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Re: [neonixie-l] Original Tube Prices

2023-09-13 Thread 'Nick' via neonixie-l

Many years ago I bought some NOS B7971s - they came in expanded polystyrene 
trays moulded to half a tube lying down, 16 at a time, at about USD 10 
each. Whilst they could have been pulls, there was very little ghosting so 
I suspect they were genuinely NOS or at least very close to being NOS. Most 
of my current stock was from US Mint at between USD 15 - 20 and we all know 
the pain that was...

It's worth remembering that these are rated for a minimum of 200,000 hours 
running which equates to about 8330 days or nearly 23 years of continuous 
use.

Also, there is no real definition of nixie lifespan, i.e. what constitutes 
end-of-life. Weston suggested EOL when 50% of the display was obscured, but 
there is nothing standardised. Personally, I've never had a B7971 fail or 
even look that used, and there are some clocks/FLWs around here that have 
been running continuously for 20 years or so.

Nick
On Saturday, 2 September 2023 at 14:12:57 UTC+1 Robert G. Schaffrath wrote:

> The B-7971 is an interesting study. It is listed at $15.85 in single 
> quantities, which is still worse than the $5/each I paid for NOS surplus 
> from Meshna in 1979. However, running that number through the inflation 
> calculator for January 1970 to July 2023 and I get $128.18 (which is 
> shocking to see how much our money has been devalued all these years).
>
> When B-7971's appear on eBay, they tend to sell for around $175-$200 each. 
> Not that big a markup over the original price when inflation is taken into 
> account. Of course most of the tubes being sold are used but still, 
> factoring in 53 years of time for something no longer made, the markup is 
> not that big. I am guessing that Ultronics was paying the $9.50/each 
> ($76.83 - 2023) price for the quantities they were working with.
>
> On Friday, September 1, 2023 at 3:45:14 AM UTC-4 Audrey wrote:
>
>> Oh. It didn't attach.
>>
>> On Thu, Aug 31, 2023, 10:13 PM Audrey  wrote:
>>
>>> My understanding is that the prices dropped a lot as time went on, 
>>> here's another price catalog from 1970 that mentions most of the same tubes 
>>> for much cheaper, with B-5750 types just $4@1000pcs - roughly $25/pc now.
>>>
>>> On Thu, Aug 31, 2023, 10:02 PM LB  wrote:
>>>
 Hi all,

 Out of curiosity, I took a look at some old Burroughs nixie tube price 
 lists, and took the prices (1-99 pcs) to an inflation calculator 
 (1963->2023). Here are some highlights:

 B-4991 (Miniature, $68.00) -> $677.10
 B-7094 (Jumbo, $45.00) -> $448.08
 B-4032 (Miniature, $33.00) -> $328.59
 B-5971 (13 Segments, $16.75) -> $166.79
 6844-A (Standard, $11.00) -> $109.53
 B-9012 (Pixie, $5.00) -> $49.79

 I know that these tubes were made pretty much exclusively for 
 military/non-consumer applications, but it's still interesting to see just 
 how expensive nixies were in reasonable quantities.

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Re: [neonixie-l] Original Tube Prices

2023-09-03 Thread Robert G. Schaffrath

In 1979, Meshna was selling used pulls, without sockets, for $4 (inflation in 
the 1970’s was horrible then too). For $5, you could buy what they described as 
new unused tubes. I opted to spend $6 more for the six new ones. They are also 
branded Ultronics and still nicely individually wrapped in bubble wrap.

If I had to guess, they cleaned out an Ultronics repair depot of their stock. 
Somewhere there would have had to be replacement tubes on hand to service the 
displays. 


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> On Sep 3, 2023, at 12:58 PM, jf0303...@gmail.com wrote:
> 
> Based on an ad in the May 1`973 Radio-Electronics, Meshna was selling them 
> for $2.50 for a pair of tubes with sockets and driver board with HV 
> transistors, or $1.25 per tube/socket/ckt board combo.  These were clearly 
> pulls from the recently decommissioned NYSE stock tickers, so they probably 
> had already seen over 10k hours of service instead of being NOS.
> 
> On Saturday, September 2, 2023 at 6:12:57 AM UTC-7 Robert G. Schaffrath wrote:
> When B-7971's appear on eBay, they tend to sell for around $175-$200 each. 
> Not that big a markup over the original price when inflation is taken into 
> account. Of course most of the tubes being sold are used but still, factoring 
> in 53 years of time for something no longer made, the markup is not that big. 
> I am guessing that Ultronics was paying the $9.50/each ($76.83 - 2023) price 
> for the quantities they were working with.
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Re: [neonixie-l] Original Tube Prices

2023-09-03 Thread jf...@my-deja.com

Based on an ad in the May 1`973 Radio-Electronics, Meshna was selling them 
for $2.50 for a pair of tubes with sockets and driver board with HV 
transistors, or $1.25 per tube/socket/ckt board combo.  These were clearly 
pulls from the recently decommissioned NYSE stock tickers, so they probably 
had already seen over 10k hours of service instead of being NOS.

On Saturday, September 2, 2023 at 6:12:57 AM UTC-7 Robert G. Schaffrath 
wrote:

When B-7971's appear on eBay, they tend to sell for around $175-$200 each. 
Not that big a markup over the original price when inflation is taken into 
account. Of course most of the tubes being sold are used but still, 
factoring in 53 years of time for something no longer made, the markup is 
not that big. I am guessing that Ultronics was paying the $9.50/each 
($76.83 - 2023) price for the quantities they were working with.

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Re: [neonixie-l] Original Tube Prices

2023-09-03 Thread Robert Norman

B7971 - I’ve only seen the early “Pin type” ones and the later “circuit board” type, what is the other one?RobOn 3 Sep 2023, at 12:44, Robert G. Schaffrath wrote:The only reasons that I can think of are 1) the B-8971 is tinier and might have been more complicated to manufacture. 2) Ultronics having ordered thousands of the B-7971's resulted in efficiency improvements in manufacturing the B-7971 such that the price came down.Off the top of my head I am aware of three variants of the B-7971 internals. Most likely those changes came about from making so many of them they found ways to improve the manufacturing process. It is possible that B-8971's never benefited from any manufacturing improvements or design changes due to the small number of them that appear to have been made.RobertOn Saturday, September 2, 2023 at 11:58:32 AM UTC-4 Robert wrote:Interesting that the B 8971 is much more expensive than the B7971, was this used in any commercial products ?ThanksRobOn 2 Sep 2023, at 14:13, Robert G. Schaffrath <> wrote:The B-7971 is an interesting study. It is listed at $15.85 in single quantities, which is still worse than the $5/each I paid for NOS surplus from Meshna in 1979. However, running that number through the inflation calculator for January 1970 to July 2023 and I get $128.18 (which is shocking to see how much our money has been devalued all these years).When B-7971's appear on eBay, they tend to sell for around $175-$200 each. Not that big a markup over the original price when inflation is taken into account. Of course most of the tubes being sold are used but still, factoring in 53 years of time for something no longer made, the markup is not that big. I am guessing that Ultronics was paying the $9.50/each ($76.83 - 2023) price for the quantities they were working with.On Friday, September 1, 2023 at 3:45:14 AM UTC-4 Audrey wrote:Oh. It didn't attach.On Thu, Aug 31, 2023, 10:13 PM Audrey <> wrote:My understanding is that the prices dropped a lot as time went on, here's another price catalog from 1970 that mentions most of the same tubes for much cheaper, with B-5750 types just $4@1000pcs - roughly $25/pc now.On Thu, Aug 31, 2023, 10:02 PM LB <> wrote:Hi all,Out of curiosity, I took a look at some old Burroughs nixie tube price lists, and took the prices (1-99 pcs) to an inflation calculator (1963->2023). Here are some highlights:B-4991 (Miniature, $68.00) -> $677.10B-7094 (Jumbo, $45.00) -> $448.08B-4032 (Miniature, $33.00) -> $328.59B-5971 (13 Segments, $16.75) -> $166.796844-A (Standard, $11.00) -> $109.53B-9012 (Pixie, $5.00) -> $49.79I know that these tubes were made pretty much exclusively for military/non-consumer applications, but it's still interesting to see just how expensive nixies were in reasonable quantities.

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Re: [neonixie-l] Original Tube Prices

2023-09-03 Thread Robert G. Schaffrath

The only reasons that I can think of are 1) the B-8971 is tinier and might
have been more complicated to manufacture. 2) Ultronics having ordered
thousands of the B-7971's resulted in efficiency improvements in
manufacturing the B-7971 such that the price came down.

Off the top of my head I am aware of three variants of the B-7971
internals. Most likely those changes came about from making so many of them
they found ways to improve the manufacturing process. It is possible that
B-8971's never benefited from any manufacturing improvements or design
changes due to the small number of them that appear to have been made.

Robert

On Saturday, September 2, 2023 at 11:58:32 AM UTC-4 Robert wrote:

Interesting that the B 8971 is much more expensive than the B7971, was this
used in any commercial products ?

Thanks
Rob

On 2 Sep 2023, at 14:13, Robert G. Schaffrath <> wrote:

The B-7971 is an interesting study. It is listed at $15.85 in single
quantities, which is still worse than the $5/each I paid for NOS surplus
from Meshna in 1979. However, running that number through the inflation
calculator for January 1970 to July 2023 and I get $128.18 (which is
shocking to see how much our money has been devalued all these years).

When B-7971's appear on eBay, they tend to sell for around $175-$200 each.
Not that big a markup over the original price when inflation is taken into
account. Of course most of the tubes being sold are used but still,
factoring in 53 years of time for something no longer made, the markup is
not that big. I am guessing that Ultronics was paying the $9.50/each
($76.83 - 2023) price for the quantities they were working with.

On Friday, September 1, 2023 at 3:45:14 AM UTC-4 Audrey wrote:

Oh. It didn't attach.

On Thu, Aug 31, 2023, 10:13 PM Audrey <> wrote:

My understanding is that the prices dropped a lot as time went on, here's
another price catalog from 1970 that mentions most of the same tubes for
much cheaper, with B-5750 types just $4@1000pcs - roughly $25/pc now.

On Thu, Aug 31, 2023, 10:02 PM LB <> wrote:

Hi all,

Out of curiosity, I took a look at some old Burroughs nixie tube price
lists, and took the prices (1-99 pcs) to an inflation calculator
(1963->2023). Here are some highlights:

B-4991 (Miniature, $68.00) -> $677.10
B-7094 (Jumbo, $45.00) -> $448.08
B-4032 (Miniature, $33.00) -> $328.59
B-5971 (13 Segments, $16.75) -> $166.79
6844-A (Standard, $11.00) -> $109.53
B-9012 (Pixie, $5.00) -> $49.79

I know that these tubes were made pretty much exclusively for
military/non-consumer applications, but it's still interesting to see just
how expensive nixies were in reasonable quantities.

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Re: [neonixie-l] Original Tube Prices

2023-09-02 Thread Audrey

Woah what a weird device, very cool find.

On Sat, Sep 2, 2023, 7:08 PM 'Greg P' via neonixie-l <
neonixie-l@googlegroups.com> wrote:

> Only thing I’ve been able to find that used the 8971’s was this keyboard.
>
> https://telcontar.net/KBK/KBref/Invac_PK-244/
>
> And of course the infamous MOD-SIX Black Emerald.
>
> http://www.badnixie.com/Black_Emerald_Nixie.html
>
>
>
> On Saturday, September 2, 2023 at 11:58:32 AM UTC-4 Robert wrote:
>
>> Interesting that the B 8971 is much more expensive than the B7971, was
>> this used in any commercial products ?
>>
>> Thanks
>> Rob
>>
>> On 2 Sep 2023, at 14:13, Robert G. Schaffrath 
>> wrote:
>>
>> The B-7971 is an interesting study. It is listed at $15.85 in single
>> quantities, which is still worse than the $5/each I paid for NOS surplus
>> from Meshna in 1979. However, running that number through the inflation
>> calculator for January 1970 to July 2023 and I get $128.18 (which is
>> shocking to see how much our money has been devalued all these years).
>>
>>
>> When B-7971's appear on eBay, they tend to sell for around $175-$200
>> each. Not that big a markup over the original price when inflation is taken
>> into account. Of course most of the tubes being sold are used but still,
>> factoring in 53 years of time for something no longer made, the markup is
>> not that big. I am guessing that Ultronics was paying the $9.50/each
>> ($76.83 - 2023) price for the quantities they were working with.
>>
>> On Friday, September 1, 2023 at 3:45:14 AM UTC-4 Audrey wrote:
>>
>>> Oh. It didn't attach.
>>>
>>> On Thu, Aug 31, 2023, 10:13 PM Audrey  wrote:
>>>
 My understanding is that the prices dropped a lot as time went on,
 here's another price catalog from 1970 that mentions most of the same tubes
 for much cheaper, with B-5750 types just $4@1000pcs - roughly $25/pc
 now.

 On Thu, Aug 31, 2023, 10:02 PM LB  wrote:

> Hi all,
>
> Out of curiosity, I took a look at some old Burroughs nixie tube price
> lists, and took the prices (1-99 pcs) to an inflation calculator
> (1963->2023). Here are some highlights:
>
> B-4991 (Miniature, $68.00) -> $677.10
> B-7094 (Jumbo, $45.00) -> $448.08
> B-4032 (Miniature, $33.00) -> $328.59
> B-5971 (13 Segments, $16.75) -> $166.79
> 6844-A (Standard, $11.00) -> $109.53
> B-9012 (Pixie, $5.00) -> $49.79
>
> I know that these tubes were made pretty much exclusively for
> military/non-consumer applications, but it's still interesting to see just
> how expensive nixies were in reasonable quantities.
>
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Re: [neonixie-l] Original Tube Prices

2023-09-02 Thread 'Greg P' via neonixie-l

Only thing I’ve been able to find that used the 8971’s was this keyboard.

https://telcontar.net/KBK/KBref/Invac_PK-244/

And of course the infamous MOD-SIX Black Emerald.

http://www.badnixie.com/Black_Emerald_Nixie.html



On Saturday, September 2, 2023 at 11:58:32 AM UTC-4 Robert wrote:

> Interesting that the B 8971 is much more expensive than the B7971, was 
> this used in any commercial products ?
>
> Thanks
> Rob
>
> On 2 Sep 2023, at 14:13, Robert G. Schaffrath  
> wrote:
>
> The B-7971 is an interesting study. It is listed at $15.85 in single 
> quantities, which is still worse than the $5/each I paid for NOS surplus 
> from Meshna in 1979. However, running that number through the inflation 
> calculator for January 1970 to July 2023 and I get $128.18 (which is 
> shocking to see how much our money has been devalued all these years).
>
>
> When B-7971's appear on eBay, they tend to sell for around $175-$200 each. 
> Not that big a markup over the original price when inflation is taken into 
> account. Of course most of the tubes being sold are used but still, 
> factoring in 53 years of time for something no longer made, the markup is 
> not that big. I am guessing that Ultronics was paying the $9.50/each 
> ($76.83 - 2023) price for the quantities they were working with.
>
> On Friday, September 1, 2023 at 3:45:14 AM UTC-4 Audrey wrote:
>
>> Oh. It didn't attach.
>>
>> On Thu, Aug 31, 2023, 10:13 PM Audrey  wrote:
>>
>>> My understanding is that the prices dropped a lot as time went on, 
>>> here's another price catalog from 1970 that mentions most of the same tubes 
>>> for much cheaper, with B-5750 types just $4@1000pcs - roughly $25/pc now.
>>>
>>> On Thu, Aug 31, 2023, 10:02 PM LB  wrote:
>>>
 Hi all,

 Out of curiosity, I took a look at some old Burroughs nixie tube price 
 lists, and took the prices (1-99 pcs) to an inflation calculator 
 (1963->2023). Here are some highlights:

 B-4991 (Miniature, $68.00) -> $677.10
 B-7094 (Jumbo, $45.00) -> $448.08
 B-4032 (Miniature, $33.00) -> $328.59
 B-5971 (13 Segments, $16.75) -> $166.79
 6844-A (Standard, $11.00) -> $109.53
 B-9012 (Pixie, $5.00) -> $49.79

 I know that these tubes were made pretty much exclusively for 
 military/non-consumer applications, but it's still interesting to see just 
 how expensive nixies were in reasonable quantities.

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Re: [neonixie-l] Original Tube Prices

2023-09-02 Thread Robert

Interesting that the B 8971 is much more expensive than the B7971, was this used in any commercial products ?ThanksRobOn 2 Sep 2023, at 14:13, Robert G. Schaffrath wrote:The B-7971 is an interesting study. It is listed at $15.85 in single quantities, which is still worse than the $5/each I paid for NOS surplus from Meshna in 1979. However, running that number through the inflation calculator for January 1970 to July 2023 and I get $128.18 (which is shocking to see how much our money has been devalued all these years).When B-7971's appear on eBay, they tend to sell for around $175-$200 each. Not that big a markup over the original price when inflation is taken into account. Of course most of the tubes being sold are used but still, factoring in 53 years of time for something no longer made, the markup is not that big. I am guessing that Ultronics was paying the $9.50/each ($76.83 - 2023) price for the quantities they were working with.On Friday, September 1, 2023 at 3:45:14 AM UTC-4 Audrey wrote:Oh. It didn't attach.On Thu, Aug 31, 2023, 10:13 PM Audrey wrote:My understanding is that the prices dropped a lot as time went on, here's another price catalog from 1970 that mentions most of the same tubes for much cheaper, with B-5750 types just $4@1000pcs - roughly $25/pc now.On Thu, Aug 31, 2023, 10:02 PM LB wrote:Hi all,Out of curiosity, I took a look at some old Burroughs nixie tube price lists, and took the prices (1-99 pcs) to an inflation calculator (1963->2023). Here are some highlights:B-4991 (Miniature, $68.00) -> $677.10B-7094 (Jumbo, $45.00) -> $448.08B-4032 (Miniature, $33.00) -> $328.59B-5971 (13 Segments, $16.75) -> $166.796844-A (Standard, $11.00) -> $109.53B-9012 (Pixie, $5.00) -> $49.79I know that these tubes were made pretty much exclusively for military/non-consumer applications, but it's still interesting to see just how expensive nixies were in reasonable quantities.

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Re: [neonixie-l] Original Tube Prices

2023-09-02 Thread Robert G. Schaffrath

The B-7971 is an interesting study. It is listed at $15.85 in single 
quantities, which is still worse than the $5/each I paid for NOS surplus 
from Meshna in 1979. However, running that number through the inflation 
calculator for January 1970 to July 2023 and I get $128.18 (which is 
shocking to see how much our money has been devalued all these years).

When B-7971's appear on eBay, they tend to sell for around $175-$200 each. 
Not that big a markup over the original price when inflation is taken into 
account. Of course most of the tubes being sold are used but still, 
factoring in 53 years of time for something no longer made, the markup is 
not that big. I am guessing that Ultronics was paying the $9.50/each 
($76.83 - 2023) price for the quantities they were working with.

On Friday, September 1, 2023 at 3:45:14 AM UTC-4 Audrey wrote:

> Oh. It didn't attach.
>
> On Thu, Aug 31, 2023, 10:13 PM Audrey  wrote:
>
>> My understanding is that the prices dropped a lot as time went on, here's 
>> another price catalog from 1970 that mentions most of the same tubes for 
>> much cheaper, with B-5750 types just $4@1000pcs - roughly $25/pc now.
>>
>> On Thu, Aug 31, 2023, 10:02 PM LB  wrote:
>>
>>> Hi all,
>>>
>>> Out of curiosity, I took a look at some old Burroughs nixie tube price 
>>> lists, and took the prices (1-99 pcs) to an inflation calculator 
>>> (1963->2023). Here are some highlights:
>>>
>>> B-4991 (Miniature, $68.00) -> $677.10
>>> B-7094 (Jumbo, $45.00) -> $448.08
>>> B-4032 (Miniature, $33.00) -> $328.59
>>> B-5971 (13 Segments, $16.75) -> $166.79
>>> 6844-A (Standard, $11.00) -> $109.53
>>> B-9012 (Pixie, $5.00) -> $49.79
>>>
>>> I know that these tubes were made pretty much exclusively for 
>>> military/non-consumer applications, but it's still interesting to see just 
>>> how expensive nixies were in reasonable quantities.
>>>
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Re: [neonixie-l] Original Tube Prices

2023-08-31 Thread Audrey

My understanding is that the prices dropped a lot as time went on, here's
another price catalog from 1970 that mentions most of the same tubes for
much cheaper, with B-5750 types just $4@1000pcs - roughly $25/pc now.

On Thu, Aug 31, 2023, 10:02 PM LB  wrote:

> Hi all,
>
> Out of curiosity, I took a look at some old Burroughs nixie tube price
> lists, and took the prices (1-99 pcs) to an inflation calculator
> (1963->2023). Here are some highlights:
>
> B-4991 (Miniature, $68.00) -> $677.10
> B-7094 (Jumbo, $45.00) -> $448.08
> B-4032 (Miniature, $33.00) -> $328.59
> B-5971 (13 Segments, $16.75) -> $166.79
> 6844-A (Standard, $11.00) -> $109.53
> B-9012 (Pixie, $5.00) -> $49.79
>
> I know that these tubes were made pretty much exclusively for
> military/non-consumer applications, but it's still interesting to see just
> how expensive nixies were in reasonable quantities.
>
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[neonixie-l] Original Tube Prices

2023-08-31 Thread LB

Hi all,

Out of curiosity, I took a look at some old Burroughs nixie tube price 
lists, and took the prices (1-99 pcs) to an inflation calculator 
(1963->2023). Here are some highlights:

B-4991 (Miniature, $68.00) -> $677.10
B-7094 (Jumbo, $45.00) -> $448.08
B-4032 (Miniature, $33.00) -> $328.59
B-5971 (13 Segments, $16.75) -> $166.79
6844-A (Standard, $11.00) -> $109.53
B-9012 (Pixie, $5.00) -> $49.79

I know that these tubes were made pretty much exclusively for 
military/non-consumer applications, but it's still interesting to see just 
how expensive nixies were in reasonable quantities.

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