[neonixie-l] Re: PCB fabricator recommendations/comparisons?
I ordered my most recent batch of boards from Seeed Studio and had no complaints. A batch of ten 2"x4" boards was $5 plus shipping. On Saturday, April 21, 2018 at 7:35:36 AM UTC-5, Paul Andrews wrote: > > Hi, > > I've been using OSHPark to have my designs made up, and they are great, > but I figure I should try a few other manufacturers and recently went to > look at pcbway. So I am wondering if anyone has experience of OSHPark and > any other manufacturer (but particularly PCBWay), and could give me some > idea of what to Watch out for when trying to move from OSHParknto someone > else. > > For example, PCBWay's base offering is TG 130-140 - is this suitable for > reflow? OSHPark is TG170. PCBWay's base offering minimum hole size is .3mm, > this is possibly only relevant (to me) for vias. I'm not sure how this > compares with OSHPark, but it makes me want to ask if there are specific > design constraints I should be aware of for other fabricators, that perhaps > OSHPark has implicitly let me get away with. I've compared all of the > explicitly stated design constraints of the two shops, and apart from the > TG rating and the minimum hole size, it seems that PCBWay would handle > boards designed for OSHPark with no problems. > > Of course once you stray from their base offering, things can get > expensive real fast, but at least HASL lead-free is still reasonable (their > base offering is not lead-free) - and they offer different solder mask > colors :) > > Thanks - Paul > > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "neonixie-l" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to neonixie-l+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web, visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/neonixie-l/fc36446c-9c9c-47ed-892e-c580ba964410o%40googlegroups.com.
[neonixie-l] Re: PCB fabricator recommendations/comparisons?
I'm very happy using easyeda as designer and JLCPCB as manufacturer. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "neonixie-l" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to neonixie-l+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send an email to neonixie-l@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web, visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/neonixie-l/77f71fdc-341a-45ab-a707-b9c1216981a9%40googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[neonixie-l] Re: PCB fabricator recommendations/comparisons?
I see what @Mitch means. JLCPCB also seem to use the same quoting interface. I see that JLCPCB also provide a self-panelization mode. That would make me feel even more guilty about ordering 5 or 10 PCBs when I only want a couple! Any ideas what to do with my growing pile of unused PCBs? Its almost like they are forcing you to go into business. Some questions though: - Can you include something on the board to tell them where to put their order details? Can you specify that it uses the back-silkscreen for example? - Should I care abou the TG rating? Now I need to figure out which board to trial them with! On Saturday, April 21, 2018 at 8:35:36 AM UTC-4, Paul Andrews wrote: > > Hi, > > I've been using OSHPark to have my designs made up, and they are great, > but I figure I should try a few other manufacturers and recently went to > look at pcbway. So I am wondering if anyone has experience of OSHPark and > any other manufacturer (but particularly PCBWay), and could give me some > idea of what to Watch out for when trying to move from OSHParknto someone > else. > > For example, PCBWay's base offering is TG 130-140 - is this suitable for > reflow? OSHPark is TG170. PCBWay's base offering minimum hole size is .3mm, > this is possibly only relevant (to me) for vias. I'm not sure how this > compares with OSHPark, but it makes me want to ask if there are specific > design constraints I should be aware of for other fabricators, that perhaps > OSHPark has implicitly let me get away with. I've compared all of the > explicitly stated design constraints of the two shops, and apart from the > TG rating and the minimum hole size, it seems that PCBWay would handle > boards designed for OSHPark with no problems. > > Of course once you stray from their base offering, things can get > expensive real fast, but at least HASL lead-free is still reasonable (their > base offering is not lead-free) - and they offer different solder mask > colors :) > > Thanks - Paul > > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "neonixie-l" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to neonixie-l+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send an email to neonixie-l@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web, visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/neonixie-l/06c17d87-c831-4148-ad87-005ec491727c%40googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[neonixie-l] Re: PCB fabricator recommendations/comparisons?
I started using ALLPCB a few weeks ago and are very happy with speed, quality and service. I ordered 5 boards and got 7 which 2 were not flawless but 100% usable (the soldermask had small scratches around big holes, but no electrical problems!) -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "neonixie-l" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to neonixie-l+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send an email to neonixie-l@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web, visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/neonixie-l/3b03cc2a-b51a-4992-8754-720b196b9e2a%40googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[neonixie-l] Re: PCB fabricator recommendations/comparisons?
I started to use Allpcb a few weeks ago and are very happy with their service. The cheapest is leaded surface finish.. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "neonixie-l" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to neonixie-l+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send an email to neonixie-l@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web, visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/neonixie-l/051ef34d-200f-404a-aae7-04a31e8f22c3%40googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[neonixie-l] Re: PCB fabricator recommendations/comparisons?
I've been using PCBWay at work for a while, over 50 designs with 5-20 boards per design ordered. Generally speaking, they aren't the best, but their PCBs are exactly what you'd expect for the price. Sometimes the boards are perfect and only the problem is misaligned overlay layer, which usually isn't a big deal. Sometimes there are visible problems with hole centering and once we received something really unacceptable: [image: Znalezione obrazy dla zapytania pcbway elektroda] These are 0,5mm holes, so bigger than their specified minimum. The upper board is 4 layer and was probably manufactured in different place (different machine or different plant) than typical 2 layer boards. The lower was meant to be a purely mechanical element (to put pins of a component throught those holes and holes of another, electrical board, push the board to the side and thus make a non-solder socket for it). Fortunately out of 10 boards per design there was at least 1, which was acceptable. Because of these problems, I usually design my boards with 0,3mm traces and spacing and with 0,5mm holes (0,3mm for via stitching ground planes) to avoid problems caused by misalignment. Right now I'm waiting for some boards which use 0,15mm traces and spacing, so I'm going to see if they will turn out OK. But this was only one order from them. Generally, they are OK unless you need a perfect alignment of the layers. Comparing to OSH park, which I used only twice so far - PCBWay is lower quality, but is definitely cheaper. Keep in mind that PCBWay will put a small text on one of overlay layers with order number. They usually try to hide it under components, but sometimes they put it in visible place. W dniu sobota, 21 kwietnia 2018 14:35:36 UTC+2 użytkownik Paul Andrews napisał: > > Hi, > > I've been using OSHPark to have my designs made up, and they are great, > but I figure I should try a few other manufacturers and recently went to > look at pcbway. So I am wondering if anyone has experience of OSHPark and > any other manufacturer (but particularly PCBWay), and could give me some > idea of what to Watch out for when trying to move from OSHParknto someone > else. > > For example, PCBWay's base offering is TG 130-140 - is this suitable for > reflow? OSHPark is TG170. PCBWay's base offering minimum hole size is .3mm, > this is possibly only relevant (to me) for vias. I'm not sure how this > compares with OSHPark, but it makes me want to ask if there are specific > design constraints I should be aware of for other fabricators, that perhaps > OSHPark has implicitly let me get away with. I've compared all of the > explicitly stated design constraints of the two shops, and apart from the > TG rating and the minimum hole size, it seems that PCBWay would handle > boards designed for OSHPark with no problems. > > Of course once you stray from their base offering, things can get > expensive real fast, but at least HASL lead-free is still reasonable (their > base offering is not lead-free) - and they offer different solder mask > colors :) > > Thanks - Paul > > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "neonixie-l" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to neonixie-l+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send an email to neonixie-l@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web, visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/neonixie-l/898cc85b-a8c7-4d73-80b8-e9e681587e0f%40googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[neonixie-l] Re: PCB fabricator recommendations/comparisons?
I've had good results with SEEED Studio Fusion... A few minor issues recently around the Chinese New Year, but minor and they were addressed and resolved. Keep your board under 100mm x 100mm and 2-layers and you will get 10 boards for $4.90 plus a $22 or more hit for DHL shipping from China. II usually collect a batch of boards to combine shipping and pay just one DHL cost at around $22 to $30 depending on how many boards... how much weight. DHL is consistently 2 days to the SF Bay area. Just designed some small power supply boards for a work project. Boards are 40mm x 50mm, 2 layer. I generated Gerbers for a 2x2 array of the boards with V-Cuts to separate. These fit within the 100 x 100 mm low cost constraint. V-Cuts make it easy to separate the boards by hand leaving decent clean edges. I get 40 2-layer supply boards for under $30. Not at all bad! I also like color coding my boards taking advantage of the 5 or 6 colors available from SEEED. Have also had nice results with internal router cuts. I've been using OSH Park for some of my smaller boards at 2 and 4 layers... 3 boards for $5 (2-layer) and $10 (4-layer) per square inch. Another of my boards is under a half inch square. How do they even cover the cost of postage? Quality has been excellent, customer service has been great as well. OSH is my solution for prototyping circuits that are way to fine pitch, way too small to do any other way. I'm using a Whizoo re-flow toaster with excellent results as well. But that's a topic for some other thread! Regards, Bob -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "neonixie-l" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to neonixie-l+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send an email to neonixie-l@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web, visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/neonixie-l/b3dc461e-baae-42c5-8dfd-f9ecebc1d0ed%40googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
