Re: [neonixie-l] Re: Seriously? This is out of control on ebay

[Audrey]

Yeah oxidization is definitely a concern

On Sun, May 21, 2023, 7:52 PM Mac Doktor  wrote:

>
> On May 21, 2023, at 7:20 PM, Audrey  wrote:
>
> Isnt that usually only the case with vacuum tubes? I think you're thinking
> of thoriated heaters
>
>
> I leave it to someone else to come up with a definitive answer but a neon
> sign can start cold because the cathodes are coated with the stuff. I can't
> remember precisely what is used but it's more than just thorium. I'm not
> sure if they're all elemental but they might be. It's been a very long time.
>
> Part of precessing a new tube is heating the cathodes to reduce the
> oxidized chemicals back to their "raw" state. If a tube needs to be
> repaired and the tubing itself can be reused new cathodes will have to be
> spliced on and the entire assembly re-processed.
>
>
> Terry Bowman, KA4HJH
> "The Mac Doctor"
>
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>
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Re: [neonixie-l] Re: Seriously? This is out of control on ebay

[Mac Doktor]

> On May 21, 2023, at 7:20 PM, Audrey  wrote:
> 
> Isnt that usually only the case with vacuum tubes? I think you're thinking of 
> thoriated heaters


I leave it to someone else to come up with a definitive answer but a neon sign 
can start cold because the cathodes are coated with the stuff. I can't remember 
precisely what is used but it's more than just thorium. I'm not sure if they're 
all elemental but they might be. It's been a very long time.

Part of precessing a new tube is heating the cathodes to reduce the oxidized 
chemicals back to their "raw" state. If a tube needs to be repaired and the 
tubing itself can be reused new cathodes will have to be spliced on and the 
entire assembly re-processed.


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"The Mac Doctor"

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shoulder of Orion. I watched c-beams glitter in the dark near Tannhäuser Gate. 

"All those moments will be lost in time like tears in the rain.

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Re: [neonixie-l] Re: Seriously? This is out of control on ebay

[Audrey]

Isnt that usually only the case with vacuum tubes? I think you're thinking
of thoriated heaters

On Sun, May 21, 2023, 7:03 PM Mac Doktor  wrote:

>
> On May 21, 2023, at 5:02 PM, Audrey  wrote:
>
> I mean... a broken nipple only sounds repairable by someone getting into
> neon making
>
>
> If the cathodes have any chemicals on them to enhance electron emission
> that will oxidize upon contact with the air. Reprocessing them will require
> reducing the coatings again.
>
> I went to neon school but I'm not up to this challenge. People who make
> nixie tubes would know the score.
>
>
> Terry Bowman, KA4HJH
> "The Mac Doctor"
>
> https://www.astarcloseup.com
>
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Re: [neonixie-l] Re: Seriously? This is out of control on ebay

[Mac Doktor]

> On May 21, 2023, at 5:02 PM, Audrey  wrote:
> 
> I mean... a broken nipple only sounds repairable by someone getting into neon 
> making


If the cathodes have any chemicals on them to enhance electron emission that 
will oxidize upon contact with the air. Reprocessing them will require reducing 
the coatings again.

I went to neon school but I'm not up to this challenge. People who make nixie 
tubes would know the score.


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"The Mac Doctor"

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them. A few trickle through the system with their wonder and enthusiasm for 
science intact."—Carl Sagan, Psychology Today, 1996

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Re: [neonixie-l] Re: Seriously? This is out of control on ebay

[Audrey]

I mean... a broken nipple only sounds repairable by someone getting into
neon making

On Sun, May 21, 2023, 8:43 AM Yohan Park  wrote:

> I threw away a couple of IN-18 tubes that had broken nipples a few weeks
> ago. Should have sold them for $25 each...
> On Friday, May 19, 2023 at 10:18:46 PM UTC+2 Mac Doktor wrote:
>
>> On May 19, 2023, at 4:01 PM, Audrey  wrote:
>>
>> Did you get your refund, at least?
>>
>>
>> Yes, they were totally cool about it. I received the wrong item and
>> didn't have to send it back.
>>
>> They could have been lying about the situation, of course, but at least I
>> ended up with some extra toys.
>>
>>
>> On May 19, 2023, at 4:08 PM, Nicholas Stock  wrote:
>>
>> I advise folks not to look at their eBay shop at work if your screen is
>> visible to others, they appear to offer a number of 'adult toys' if you get
>> my drift.
>>
>>
>> Those were the "extra toys" that I ended up with. 8D
>>
>>
>> Terry Bowman, KA4HJH
>> "The Mac Doctor"
>>
>> https://www.astarcloseup.com
>>
>> "There is no Main Street anymore except at Disneyland—and try and buy a
>> gun there"—Hank Hill
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Re: [neonixie-l] Re: Seriously? This is out of control on ebay

[Yohan Park]

I threw away a couple of IN-18 tubes that had broken nipples a few weeks 
ago. Should have sold them for $25 each...
On Friday, May 19, 2023 at 10:18:46 PM UTC+2 Mac Doktor wrote:

> On May 19, 2023, at 4:01 PM, Audrey  wrote:
>
> Did you get your refund, at least?
>
>
> Yes, they were totally cool about it. I received the wrong item and didn't 
> have to send it back.
>
> They could have been lying about the situation, of course, but at least I 
> ended up with some extra toys.
>
>
> On May 19, 2023, at 4:08 PM, Nicholas Stock  wrote:
>
> I advise folks not to look at their eBay shop at work if your screen is 
> visible to others, they appear to offer a number of 'adult toys' if you get 
> my drift.
>
>
> Those were the "extra toys" that I ended up with. 8D
>
>
> Terry Bowman, KA4HJH
> "The Mac Doctor"
>
> https://www.astarcloseup.com
>
> "There is no Main Street anymore except at Disneyland—and try and buy a 
> gun there"—Hank Hill
>
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Re: [neonixie-l] Re: Seriously? This is out of control on ebay

[Mac Doktor]

> On May 19, 2023, at 4:01 PM, Audrey  wrote:
> 
> Did you get your refund, at least?

Yes, they were totally cool about it. I received the wrong item and didn't have 
to send it back.

They could have been lying about the situation, of course, but at least I ended 
up with some extra toys.


> On May 19, 2023, at 4:08 PM, Nicholas Stock  wrote:
> 
> I advise folks not to look at their eBay shop at work if your screen is 
> visible to others, they appear to offer a number of 'adult toys' if you get 
> my drift.

Those were the "extra toys" that I ended up with. 8D


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Re: [neonixie-l] Re: Seriously? This is out of control on ebay

[Nicholas Stock]

I've purchased a number of items from this buyer and on the whole they've
been excellent. They liquidate estate sale stuff, so sometimes don't know
what they've got on their hands and I advise folks not to look at their
eBay shop at work if your screen is visible to others, they appear to offer
a number of 'adult toys' if you get my drift. If someone relayed that a
nixie with a hole in it is essentially worthless, they'd probably throw it
away

On Fri, May 19, 2023 at 1:01 PM Audrey  wrote:

> Did you get your refund, at least?
>
> On Fri, May 19, 2023, 2:13 PM Mac Doktor  wrote:
>
>>
>> On May 19, 2023, at 1:26 PM, SD  wrote:
>>
>> haha, I ordered an IV-17 clock kit from them before.
>>
>>
>> I got their first offering, an "IV17/IV4 Nixie Tube Explorer Kit by Chris
>> Barron". It didn't include tubes but I had some IV-4s and the board was
>> already stuffed. They sent it to the wrong address and that person didn't
>> feel like sending it back. At least that was the story I was told.
>>
>>
>> Terry Bowman, KA4HJH
>> "The Mac Doctor"
>>
>> https://www.astarcloseup.com
>>
>> "Damn, damn, damn, DAMN!"—Professor Henry HIggins, *My Fair Lady*
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Re: [neonixie-l] Re: Seriously? This is out of control on ebay

[Audrey]

Did you get your refund, at least?

On Fri, May 19, 2023, 2:13 PM Mac Doktor  wrote:

>
> On May 19, 2023, at 1:26 PM, SD  wrote:
>
> haha, I ordered an IV-17 clock kit from them before.
>
>
> I got their first offering, an "IV17/IV4 Nixie Tube Explorer Kit by Chris
> Barron". It didn't include tubes but I had some IV-4s and the board was
> already stuffed. They sent it to the wrong address and that person didn't
> feel like sending it back. At least that was the story I was told.
>
>
> Terry Bowman, KA4HJH
> "The Mac Doctor"
>
> https://www.astarcloseup.com
>
> "Damn, damn, damn, DAMN!"—Professor Henry HIggins, *My Fair Lady*
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Re: [neonixie-l] Re: Seriously? This is out of control on ebay

[Mac Doktor]

> On May 19, 2023, at 1:26 PM, SD  wrote:
> 
> haha, I ordered an IV-17 clock kit from them before.

I got their first offering, an "IV17/IV4 Nixie Tube Explorer Kit by Chris 
Barron". It didn't include tubes but I had some IV-4s and the board was already 
stuffed. They sent it to the wrong address and that person didn't feel like 
sending it back. At least that was the story I was told.


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[neonixie-l] Re: Seriously? This is out of control on ebay

[SD]

haha, I ordered an IV-17 clock kit from them before.   they have some 
bizarre items

On Friday, May 19, 2023 at 7:42:00 AM UTC-4 Robert G. Schaffrath wrote:

> If this sells then I have a defective B7971 I would put up too. At least 
> mine still lights up. A few segments do not work but at least it does not 
> have a hole in the glass LOL.
>
> On Thursday, May 18, 2023 at 10:34:41 AM UTC-4 Nick Andrews wrote:
>
>
> https://www.ebay.com/itm/185902284039?mkevt=1&mkpid=0&emsid=e11021.m43.l3160&mkcid=7&ch=osgood&euid=b10ab9f3379946c388664ea9b51afe3c&bu=43189870757&ut=RU&exe=0&ext=0&osub=-1%7E1&crd=20230518011652&segname=11021
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[neonixie-l] Re: Seriously? This is out of control on ebay

[Robert G. Schaffrath]

If this sells then I have a defective B7971 I would put up too. At least 
mine still lights up. A few segments do not work but at least it does not 
have a hole in the glass LOL.

On Thursday, May 18, 2023 at 10:34:41 AM UTC-4 Nick Andrews wrote:

https://www.ebay.com/itm/185902284039?mkevt=1&mkpid=0&emsid=e11021.m43.l3160&mkcid=7&ch=osgood&euid=b10ab9f3379946c388664ea9b51afe3c&bu=43189870757&ut=RU&exe=0&ext=0&osub=-1%7E1&crd=20230518011652&segname=11021

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Well, it is working 😂On 18 May 2023, at 23:38, martin martin  wrote:I'll take two please ;(~mcvei...@gmail.comOn Thu, May 18, 2023 at 12:55 PM Nicholas Stock  wrote:https://www.ebay.com/itm/US-Military-TANK-Vacuum-Tube-Nixie-Amperex-ZM1005-control-unit-with-Modules-/175728423907?&_trksid=p2056016.l4276This one takes the biscuit (as we Brits say)On Thu, May 18, 2023 at 8:23 AM Nick Andrews  wrote:At least it's cheap if you wanted to play with trying repairs!  But yeah.On Thu, May 18, 2023 at 10:20 AM RikD  wrote:this one  is even worse IMHO... https://www.benl.ebay.be/itm/134575973710?mkevt=1&mkpid=0&emsid=e11021.m43.l1120&mkcid=7&ch=osgood&euid=10e163e9316a443897559462e5627876&bu=43139763080&ut=RU&exe=0&ext=0&osub=-1%7E1&crd=20230518075645&segname=11021Op donderdag 18 mei 2023 om 16:34:41 UTC+2 schreef Nick Andrews:https://www.ebay.com/itm/185902284039?mkevt=1&mkpid=0&emsid=e11021.m43.l3160&mkcid=7&ch=osgood&euid=b10ab9f3379946c388664ea9b51afe3c&bu=43189870757&ut=RU&exe=0&ext=0&osub=-1%7E1&crd=20230518011652&segname=11021




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Re: [neonixie-l] Re: Seriously? This is out of control on ebay

[martin martin]

I'll take two please
;(




~
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On Thu, May 18, 2023 at 12:55 PM Nicholas Stock  wrote:

>
> https://www.ebay.com/itm/US-Military-TANK-Vacuum-Tube-Nixie-Amperex-ZM1005-control-unit-with-Modules-/175728423907?&_trksid=p2056016.l4276
>
> This one takes the biscuit (as we Brits say)
>
> On Thu, May 18, 2023 at 8:23 AM Nick Andrews 
> wrote:
>
>> At least it's cheap if you wanted to play with trying repairs!  But yeah.
>>
>> On Thu, May 18, 2023 at 10:20 AM RikD  wrote:
>>
>>> this one  is even worse IMHO...
>>>
>>>
>>> https://www.benl.ebay.be/itm/134575973710?mkevt=1&mkpid=0&emsid=e11021.m43.l1120&mkcid=7&ch=osgood&euid=10e163e9316a443897559462e5627876&bu=43139763080&ut=RU&exe=0&ext=0&osub=-1%7E1&crd=20230518075645&segname=11021
>>>
>>> Op donderdag 18 mei 2023 om 16:34:41 UTC+2 schreef Nick Andrews:
>>>
>>>
>>> https://www.ebay.com/itm/185902284039?mkevt=1&mkpid=0&emsid=e11021.m43.l3160&mkcid=7&ch=osgood&euid=b10ab9f3379946c388664ea9b51afe3c&bu=43189870757&ut=RU&exe=0&ext=0&osub=-1%7E1&crd=20230518011652&segname=11021
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Re: [neonixie-l] Re: Seriously? This is out of control on ebay

[Nicholas Stock]

https://www.ebay.com/itm/US-Military-TANK-Vacuum-Tube-Nixie-Amperex-ZM1005-control-unit-with-Modules-/175728423907?&_trksid=p2056016.l4276

This one takes the biscuit (as we Brits say)

On Thu, May 18, 2023 at 8:23 AM Nick Andrews  wrote:

> At least it's cheap if you wanted to play with trying repairs!  But yeah.
>
> On Thu, May 18, 2023 at 10:20 AM RikD  wrote:
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>> this one  is even worse IMHO...
>>
>>
>> https://www.benl.ebay.be/itm/134575973710?mkevt=1&mkpid=0&emsid=e11021.m43.l1120&mkcid=7&ch=osgood&euid=10e163e9316a443897559462e5627876&bu=43139763080&ut=RU&exe=0&ext=0&osub=-1%7E1&crd=20230518075645&segname=11021
>>
>> Op donderdag 18 mei 2023 om 16:34:41 UTC+2 schreef Nick Andrews:
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>>
>> https://www.ebay.com/itm/185902284039?mkevt=1&mkpid=0&emsid=e11021.m43.l3160&mkcid=7&ch=osgood&euid=b10ab9f3379946c388664ea9b51afe3c&bu=43189870757&ut=RU&exe=0&ext=0&osub=-1%7E1&crd=20230518011652&segname=11021
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Re: [neonixie-l] Re: Seriously? This is out of control on ebay

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At least it's cheap if you wanted to play with trying repairs!  But yeah.

On Thu, May 18, 2023 at 10:20 AM RikD  wrote:

> this one  is even worse IMHO...
>
>
> https://www.benl.ebay.be/itm/134575973710?mkevt=1&mkpid=0&emsid=e11021.m43.l1120&mkcid=7&ch=osgood&euid=10e163e9316a443897559462e5627876&bu=43139763080&ut=RU&exe=0&ext=0&osub=-1%7E1&crd=20230518075645&segname=11021
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> Op donderdag 18 mei 2023 om 16:34:41 UTC+2 schreef Nick Andrews:
>
>
> https://www.ebay.com/itm/185902284039?mkevt=1&mkpid=0&emsid=e11021.m43.l3160&mkcid=7&ch=osgood&euid=b10ab9f3379946c388664ea9b51afe3c&bu=43189870757&ut=RU&exe=0&ext=0&osub=-1%7E1&crd=20230518011652&segname=11021
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[neonixie-l] Re: Seriously? This is out of control on ebay

[RikD]

this one  is even worse IMHO... 

https://www.benl.ebay.be/itm/134575973710?mkevt=1&mkpid=0&emsid=e11021.m43.l1120&mkcid=7&ch=osgood&euid=10e163e9316a443897559462e5627876&bu=43139763080&ut=RU&exe=0&ext=0&osub=-1%7E1&crd=20230518075645&segname=11021

Op donderdag 18 mei 2023 om 16:34:41 UTC+2 schreef Nick Andrews:

https://www.ebay.com/itm/185902284039?mkevt=1&mkpid=0&emsid=e11021.m43.l3160&mkcid=7&ch=osgood&euid=b10ab9f3379946c388664ea9b51afe3c&bu=43189870757&ut=RU&exe=0&ext=0&osub=-1%7E1&crd=20230518011652&segname=11021

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