Re: Cannot login via xdm after fresh install

[Erkki Ruohtula]

On Sun, 17 Sep 2017 21:56:39 +
Chavdar Ivanov  wrote:
> One small addition to the previous - after taking a checkpoint and
> shutting the session manager out - which is just a logout - on the
> next login I got xconsole running, but with a login prompt. Had to
> set 'console' to 'off' and 'constty' to 'on' in /etc/ttys.
>...

Good to hear this is fixed in the next version, hopefully
with the kinks you mention smoothed out.

There are also other ways setting up X11 could be made a bit
simpler besides enabling xdm. An immediate concern to anyone not
American would be having the keyboard layout preference set
in the installer to be passed to X11, by creating or modifying
a xorg.conf file.

Erkki

Re: Cannot login via xdm after fresh install

[Erkki Ruohtula]

On Mon, 18 Sep 2017 08:48:16 +0100
Patrick Welche  wrote:
> On Sun, Sep 10, 2017 at 07:43:04PM +0300, Erkki Ruohtula wrote:
> > I did a fresh installation with NetBSD-7.1-amd64.iso in VirtualBox
> > 5.1.26, mostly using defaults. I did enable xdm in the installer.
> > Everything appeared to go smoothly, and the system now starts nicely
> > X11, and shows the xdm login screen. The problem is I cannot get
> > past that. If I enter the username root and its correct
> > password, I get a dialog box labeled "Session Menu",
> > with text "chooseSessionListWidget" and buttons under it,
> > of which most are grayed except "Default/Fail Safe" and "Cancel".  
> 
> Does adding your hostname to /etc/hosts 127.0.0.1, ::1 help?

No, it makes no difference.

Erkki

Re: Cannot login via xdm after fresh install

[Patrick Welche]

On Sun, Sep 10, 2017 at 07:43:04PM +0300, Erkki Ruohtula wrote:
> I did a fresh installation with NetBSD-7.1-amd64.iso in VirtualBox
> 5.1.26, mostly using defaults. I did enable xdm in the installer.
> Everything appeared to go smoothly, and the system now starts nicely
> X11, and shows the xdm login screen. The problem is I cannot get
> past that. If I enter the username root and its correct
> password, I get a dialog box labeled "Session Menu",
> with text "chooseSessionListWidget" and buttons under it,
> of which most are grayed except "Default/Fail Safe" and "Cancel".

Does adding your hostname to /etc/hosts 127.0.0.1, ::1 help?

Cheers,

Patrick

Re: Cannot login via xdm after fresh install

[Chavdar Ivanov]

One small addition to the previous - after taking a checkpoint and shutting
the session manager out - which is just a logout - on the next login I got
xconsole running, but with a login prompt. Had to set 'console' to 'off'
and 'constty' to 'on' in /etc/ttys.

Chavdar

On Sun, 17 Sep 2017 at 22:48 Chavdar Ivanov  wrote:

> I have been bitten by this quite a few times before, so I started
> preparing in advance a .xsession file. Looking at this thread, I decided to
> check how things are now with -current and installed a fresh overnight
> build under VirtualBox with full configuration during sysinstall, enabling
> xdm and creating a new user. Everything worked as expected, the three
> default processes were started properly, I could checkpoint a session etc.
> So whatever the reason was with the earlier versions, with 8.99.2 it seems
> just fine.
>
> The only thing which didn't work was first login with the created user -
> it didn't get the password - but I was able to login as root - again with
> xdm - and reset that password, after which the user login also worked as
> expected. That could have been a pebcak, though.
>
> Chavdar
>
>
> On Sun, 17 Sep 2017 at 20:57 Rhialto  wrote:
>
>> On Sun 17 Sep 2017 at 22:43:38 +0300, Erkki Ruohtula wrote:
>> > Tried it. It does not help. In any case xsm gets run in
>> > the same enviroment as .xsession would be run, and the latter
>> > has no trouble starting twm and xterm.
>>
>> A pity.
>>
>> > I wonder if everyone using X11 on NetBSD does it by setting
>> > up .xsession before enabling xdm, so the default session
>> > never got tested...
>>
>> That was indeed what I effectively did on my most recent install... just
>> copied over my home directory. I think I did notice the same thing as
>> you did, but I didn't spend any time investigating it.
>>
>> > Erkki
>> -Olaf.
>> --
>> ___ Olaf 'Rhialto' Seibert  -- Wayland: Those who don't understand X
>> \X/ rhialto/at/falu.nl  -- are condemned to reinvent it. Poorly.
>>
>

Re: Cannot login via xdm after fresh install

[Chavdar Ivanov]

I have been bitten by this quite a few times before, so I started preparing
in advance a .xsession file. Looking at this thread, I decided to check how
things are now with -current and installed a fresh overnight build under
VirtualBox with full configuration during sysinstall, enabling xdm and
creating a new user. Everything worked as expected, the three default
processes were started properly, I could checkpoint a session etc. So
whatever the reason was with the earlier versions, with 8.99.2 it seems
just fine.

The only thing which didn't work was first login with the created user - it
didn't get the password - but I was able to login as root - again with xdm
- and reset that password, after which the user login also worked as
expected. That could have been a pebcak, though.

Chavdar


On Sun, 17 Sep 2017 at 20:57 Rhialto  wrote:

> On Sun 17 Sep 2017 at 22:43:38 +0300, Erkki Ruohtula wrote:
> > Tried it. It does not help. In any case xsm gets run in
> > the same enviroment as .xsession would be run, and the latter
> > has no trouble starting twm and xterm.
>
> A pity.
>
> > I wonder if everyone using X11 on NetBSD does it by setting
> > up .xsession before enabling xdm, so the default session
> > never got tested...
>
> That was indeed what I effectively did on my most recent install... just
> copied over my home directory. I think I did notice the same thing as
> you did, but I didn't spend any time investigating it.
>
> > Erkki
> -Olaf.
> --
> ___ Olaf 'Rhialto' Seibert  -- Wayland: Those who don't understand X
> \X/ rhialto/at/falu.nl  -- are condemned to reinvent it. Poorly.
>

Re: Cannot login via xdm after fresh install

[Rhialto]

On Sun 17 Sep 2017 at 22:43:38 +0300, Erkki Ruohtula wrote:
> Tried it. It does not help. In any case xsm gets run in
> the same enviroment as .xsession would be run, and the latter
> has no trouble starting twm and xterm.

A pity.

> I wonder if everyone using X11 on NetBSD does it by setting
> up .xsession before enabling xdm, so the default session
> never got tested...

That was indeed what I effectively did on my most recent install... just
copied over my home directory. I think I did notice the same thing as
you did, but I didn't spend any time investigating it.

> Erkki
-Olaf.
-- 
___ Olaf 'Rhialto' Seibert  -- Wayland: Those who don't understand X
\X/ rhialto/at/falu.nl  -- are condemned to reinvent it. Poorly.


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Re: Cannot login via xdm after fresh install

[Erkki Ruohtula]

On Sun, 17 Sep 2017 20:24:41 +0200
Rhialto  wrote:
> On Sun 17 Sep 2017 at 18:37:45 +0300, Erkki Ruohtula wrote:
> > twm
> > smproxy
> > xterm
> > 
> > but apparently it fails to do so. (All these programs do exist
> > in the installation).  
> 
> Maybe at the time that xsm tries to execute those programs, they are
> not in $PATH? In that case, specifying full paths might help. Just a
> guess...

Tried it. It does not help. In any case xsm gets run in
the same enviroment as .xsession would be run, and the latter
has no trouble starting twm and xterm.

I wonder if everyone using X11 on NetBSD does it by setting
up .xsession before enabling xdm, so the default session
never got tested...

Erkki

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Re: Cannot login via xdm after fresh install

[Rhialto]

On Sun 17 Sep 2017 at 18:37:45 +0300, Erkki Ruohtula wrote:
> twm
> smproxy
> xterm
> 
> but apparently it fails to do so. (All these programs do exist
> in the installation).

Maybe at the time that xsm tries to execute those programs, they are not
in $PATH? In that case, specifying full paths might help. Just a
guess...

-Olaf.
-- 
___ Olaf 'Rhialto' Seibert  -- Wayland: Those who don't understand X
\X/ rhialto/at/falu.nl  -- are condemned to reinvent it. Poorly.


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Re: Cannot login via xdm after fresh install

[Erkki Ruohtula]

On Sun, 10 Sep 2017 19:43:04 +0300
Erkki Ruohtula  wrote:
> I did a fresh installation with NetBSD-7.1-amd64.iso in VirtualBox
> 5.1.26, mostly using defaults. I did enable xdm in the installer.
> Everything appeared to go smoothly, and the system now starts nicely
> X11, and shows the xdm login screen. The problem is I cannot get
> past that. If I enter the username root and its correct
> password, I get a dialog box labeled "Session Menu",
> with text "chooseSessionListWidget" and buttons under it,
> of which most are grayed except "Default/Fail Safe" and "Cancel".
> 
> I thought "Default/Fail Safe" would be the obvious choice, but if
> I hit it, I get a black screen, except for the console log window
> in lower right-hand corner. X11 seems to be still running, but
> it is impossible to do anything except reset the (virtual) machine.
> Is the fail safe  configuration missing? Should something
> special be chosen in the installer? (in other X11 installations
> I have seen it usually consist of starting twm and a xterm window).

I did some digging by enabling ssh and logging in. Apparently
the way NetBSD sets up xdm, it starts up /usr/X11R7/bin/xsm if the
user's directory does not contain .xsession. In my case it was
running:

USER  PID %CPU %MEM   VSZ  RSS TTY   STAT STARTEDTIME COMMAND
erkki  73  0.0  0.4 45440 4152 ? Is6:08PM0:00.04 /usr/X11R7/bin/xsm

In the absence of per user configuration, xsm should start the
programs listed in a default file /etc/X11/xsm/system.xsm
which contains

twm
smproxy
xterm

but apparently it fails to do so. (All these programs do exist
in the installation).

The user's .xsession-errors contains only

_IceTransmkdir: ERROR: euid != 0,directory /tmp/.ICE-unix will not be created.

However, that directory did exist, and contains the subdirectory
srwxrwxrwx  1 erkki  wheel  0 Sep 17 18:08 /tmp/.ICE-unix/73

According to "top", xsm is in state "select", which I guess means
it is stuck waiting on some descriptors.

Next I tried if an X11 session can be obtained in the old way
without xsm: I added a minimal .xsession with the lines

twm &
xterm

and restarted the system. This worked as expected: I got a twm session.
So xsm seems to have some bug, which has the effect that currently
asking the installer to enable xdm results in a system where
the user cannot log in at the console.

Erkki

Cannot login via xdm after fresh install

[Erkki Ruohtula]

Hi,
I did a fresh installation with NetBSD-7.1-amd64.iso in VirtualBox
5.1.26, mostly using defaults. I did enable xdm in the installer.
Everything appeared to go smoothly, and the system now starts nicely
X11, and shows the xdm login screen. The problem is I cannot get
past that. If I enter the username root and its correct
password, I get a dialog box labeled "Session Menu",
with text "chooseSessionListWidget" and buttons under it,
of which most are grayed except "Default/Fail Safe" and "Cancel".

I thought "Default/Fail Safe" would be the obvious choice, but if
I hit it, I get a black screen, except for the console log window
in lower right-hand corner. X11 seems to be still running, but
it is impossible to do anything except reset the (virtual) machine.
Is the fail safe  configuration missing? Should something
special be chosen in the installer? (in other X11 installations
I have seen it usually consist of starting twm and a xterm window).

Erkki

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