Re: Graphics wiki page

2016-04-07 Thread Swift Griggs

On Thu, 7 Apr 2016, co...@sdf.org wrote:
> Others have recommended using such a live image when purchasing hardware
> like a laptop at a store.

That is exactly what I do.  I take a USB stick with a copy of NetBSD
installed on it into the store and boot it up.  Then I simply run startx and
watch the action from there.

BTW, if there is work to be done with C or shell script to help with any
kind of test suite + website idea like this in the future, then I'd be
willing to help out a bit.  The same goes for hardware.  PCIe-wise I have
@20 discrete Radeon and 6 Nvidia graphics cards.  Most of them work, but
some don't.  I'd be willing to test them directly or mail them to folks who
want to help.  There are only 1 or 2 I'd care to get back.

Thanks,
  Swift


Re: Graphics wiki page

2016-04-07 Thread coypu
On Thu, Apr 07, 2016 at 06:23:38PM +0100, David Brownlee wrote:
> What might also be nice would be USB image which could try to fire up
> X11 and some relevant app or apps to allow people to perform a quick
> "smoke test" to quickly get *some* data points...

There is ./build.sh live-image. I think it satisfies your needs.
Others have recommended using such a live image when purchasing hardware
like a laptop at a store.


Re: Graphics wiki page

2016-04-07 Thread David Brownlee
On 5 April 2016 at 18:02, Swift Griggs  wrote:
>
> On Sun, 3 Apr 2016, co...@sdf.org wrote:
> > It would be more fruitful to provide a page where people list hardware
> > that works for them, http://dmesgd.nycbug.org is close.
>
> That's very cool.  The idea, in general, reminds me of the supported
> hardware database for BeOS back in the day.  I got a lot of mileage out of
> that.  Currently, none of the BSD distros have anything like that which
> I'm aware of.  I was hoping some of that info would appear in on the wiki
> at netbsd.se but then it got taken down and replaced with the official
> NetBSD wiki which doesn't seem to get nearly the same amount of love /
> content for whatever reason.

I think something like dmesgd, but specifically for reporting how well
graphics cards (or onboard hardware) works with specific NetBSD
versions would be extremely helpful. Particularly if it could have a
suggestion on what to test and user settable fields to indicate same.

Sounds like a nice standalone site for someone to write :)

What might also be nice would be USB image which could try to fire up
X11 and some relevant app or apps to allow people to perform a quick
"smoke test" to quickly get *some* data points...


Re: Graphics wiki page

2016-04-05 Thread Swift Griggs
On Sun, 3 Apr 2016, co...@sdf.org wrote:
> It would be more fruitful to provide a page where people list hardware
> that works for them, http://dmesgd.nycbug.org is close.

That's very cool.  The idea, in general, reminds me of the supported 
hardware database for BeOS back in the day.  I got a lot of mileage out of 
that.  Currently, none of the BSD distros have anything like that which 
I'm aware of.  I was hoping some of that info would appear in on the wiki 
at netbsd.se but then it got taken down and replaced with the official 
NetBSD wiki which doesn't seem to get nearly the same amount of love / 
content for whatever reason.

-Swift


Re: Graphics wiki page

2016-04-03 Thread William A. Mahaffey III

On 04/03/16 11:04, co...@sdf.org wrote:

There is often no pattern to which devices work, as the drivers have
unresolved bugs that randomly surface on some devices.

The DRM KMS drivers used are the Linux 3.15 ones.

I can say that for nvidia, everything up to 700 series "should" work,
and some of 700 series. In reality, most of these devices do not work.

It would be more fruitful to provide a page where people list hardware
that works for them, http://dmesgd.nycbug.org is close.

On Sun, Apr 03, 2016 at 10:27:29AM -0453, William A. Mahaffey III wrote:


I have a couple of FreeBSD boxen, & I can check
https://wiki.freebsd.org/Graphics for how graphics cards are supported
there. Is there a similar page for NetBSD ? I have done a bit of googling &
came up empty. TIA & have a good one.


--

William A. Mahaffey III

  --

"The M1 Garand is without doubt the finest implement of war
 ever devised by man."
-- Gen. George S. Patton Jr.




Yes, useful, but it doesn't specify support, only detection, AFAIUT. I 
added my 3 boxen to the heap. Would be nice if you could specify the 
file to upload, I had to vi & click-&-drag to upload mine. No biggie, of 
course, but a bit tedious 



--

William A. Mahaffey III

 --

"The M1 Garand is without doubt the finest implement of war
 ever devised by man."
   -- Gen. George S. Patton Jr.



Re: Graphics wiki page

2016-04-03 Thread coypu
There is often no pattern to which devices work, as the drivers have
unresolved bugs that randomly surface on some devices.

The DRM KMS drivers used are the Linux 3.15 ones.

I can say that for nvidia, everything up to 700 series "should" work,
and some of 700 series. In reality, most of these devices do not work.

It would be more fruitful to provide a page where people list hardware
that works for them, http://dmesgd.nycbug.org is close.

On Sun, Apr 03, 2016 at 10:27:29AM -0453, William A. Mahaffey III wrote:
> 
> 
> I have a couple of FreeBSD boxen, & I can check
> https://wiki.freebsd.org/Graphics for how graphics cards are supported
> there. Is there a similar page for NetBSD ? I have done a bit of googling &
> came up empty. TIA & have a good one.
> 
> 
> -- 
> 
>   William A. Mahaffey III
> 
>  --
> 
>   "The M1 Garand is without doubt the finest implement of war
>ever devised by man."
>-- Gen. George S. Patton Jr.
> 

-- 


Graphics wiki page

2016-04-03 Thread William A. Mahaffey III



I have a couple of FreeBSD boxen, & I can check 
https://wiki.freebsd.org/Graphics for how graphics cards are supported 
there. Is there a similar page for NetBSD ? I have done a bit of 
googling & came up empty. TIA & have a good one.



--

William A. Mahaffey III

 --

"The M1 Garand is without doubt the finest implement of war
 ever devised by man."
   -- Gen. George S. Patton Jr.