Re: NetBSD 10.0 installation cd boot hangs
On Thu, 30 May 2024, e...@tilde.team wrote: On Tue, May 28, 2024 at 08:51:00PM +, RVP wrote: In your BIOS, can switch the drive controller to `AHCI' instead of whatever it is now (probably IDE)? -RVP It is a SATA drive, and no opportunities to change anything regarding the drive in the BIOS. Not the drive: change the drive-controller mode if possible. The `ahcisata' driver should get used here rather than `viaide', I think. -RVP
Re: NetBSD 10.0 installation cd boot hangs
On Tue, May 28, 2024 at 01:26:53PM +0100, Stephen Borrill wrote: > On Mon, 27 May 2024, e...@tilde.team wrote: > > > On Sat, May 25, 2024 at 03:09:14PM +0200, Martin Husemann wrote: > I think Benny meant ? at the boot device: prompt, not the boot prompt. We > know that the boot loader can read the CD as it has loaded the kernel. Your > problem with this is the next paragraph though: > OK, I understand now. I wasn't sure if the 'boot device:' was a prompt, but it make sense. > Yes, this has been a problem since I don't know when. USB keyboards often > fail to operate at this point. Without a PS/2 keyboard (or serial console), > you may be stuck. I see. The computer is unfortunately to new to have any PS/2 ports, serial console might be better. The amd64 installation CD does not have serial console support by default it seems? > > You could try an older installation CD for laughs. In the olden days, the > installation ramdisk was embedded in the INSTALL kernel, so at least it > would start even if you couldn't read the install sets from the CD. > > You could try loading amd64/installation/miniroot/miniroot.kmod from the > boot loader. > > Or just boot from USB... > I just did that. I cannot boot from a USB memory stick (the BIOS does not seem to be able to?); but I can boot from a USB CD drive that I had lying around. Booting from that progresses a bit further than the earlier impasse, but eventually ends with a kernel panic. I'm happy to supply further details if anyone is interested, but I don't think I can figure this out myself. > > I don't know where 'fd1' comes from - there is only one floppy drive. > > Not sure, but it wouldn't surprise if those were hard-wired in on the BIOS That would make sense. /Emil
Re: NetBSD 10.0 installation cd boot hangs
On Tue, May 28, 2024 at 08:51:00PM +, RVP wrote: > On Thu, 23 May 2024, e...@tilde.team wrote: > > > [ 301.7983080] waiting for devices: atabus1 atabus2 atabus3 > > viaide0 channel 1: reset failed for drive 0 > > > > In your BIOS, can switch the drive controller to `AHCI' instead of whatever > it is now (probably IDE)? > > -RVP It is a SATA drive, and no opportunities to change anything regarding the drive in the BIOS. Emil
Re: NetBSD 10.0 installation cd boot hangs
On Thu, 23 May 2024, e...@tilde.team wrote: [ 301.7983080] waiting for devices: atabus1 atabus2 atabus3 viaide0 channel 1: reset failed for drive 0 In your BIOS, can switch the drive controller to `AHCI' instead of whatever it is now (probably IDE)? -RVP
Re: NetBSD 10.0 installation cd boot hangs
On Mon, 27 May 2024, e...@tilde.team wrote: On Sat, May 25, 2024 at 03:09:14PM +0200, Martin Husemann wrote: On Sat, May 25, 2024 at 03:00:24PM +0200, Benny Siegert wrote: This is technically not a hang. The kernel did not find the device to boot from, so it is waiting for you to enter one. Are you expecting the device on the SATA bus? -- Benny I guess it should show up in the viaide controller, but: viaide0 channel 1: reset failed for drive 0 says it did not work well. You could try to list the available devices by entering ? at the boot prompt (but I guess your CD will be missing). Thanks both. My understanding of the boot process is rudimentary, so I don't quite uniderstand this: Somehow it does find the boot device (in some sense) since it does start the boot process - so why is it complaining about the "boot device: "? I think Benny meant ? at the boot device: prompt, not the boot prompt. We know that the boot loader can read the CD as it has loaded the kernel. Your problem with this is the next paragraph though: Also: I don't know if it has technically hanged, but I cannot type anything (even though there is a cursor at the end of "root device: " and the computer is not responding to any keyboard input that I have tried, so I have to hard restart it by pressing the power button for a long time. Yes, this has been a problem since I don't know when. USB keyboards often fail to operate at this point. Without a PS/2 keyboard (or serial console), you may be stuck. You could try an older installation CD for laughs. In the olden days, the installation ramdisk was embedded in the INSTALL kernel, so at least it would start even if you couldn't read the install sets from the CD. You could try loading amd64/installation/miniroot/miniroot.kmod from the boot loader. Or just boot from USB... typing 'dev' at the boot prompt gives the following output: disk hd0 size 223 GB disk fd0 fd0a disk fd1 fd1a default cd0a I don't know where 'fd1' comes from - there is only one floppy drive. Not sure, but it wouldn't surprise if those were hard-wired in on the BIOS. -- Stephen
Re: NetBSD 10.0 installation cd boot hangs
On Sat, May 25, 2024 at 03:09:14PM +0200, Martin Husemann wrote: > On Sat, May 25, 2024 at 03:00:24PM +0200, Benny Siegert wrote: > > This is technically not a hang. The kernel did not find the device to boot > > from, so it is waiting for you to enter one. Are you expecting the device on > > the SATA bus? -- Benny > > > > I guess it should show up in the viaide controller, but: > > > viaide0 channel 1: reset failed for drive 0 > > says it did not work well. > > You could try to list the available devices by entering > > ? > > at the boot prompt (but I guess your CD will be missing). Thanks both. My understanding of the boot process is rudimentary, so I don't quite uniderstand this: Somehow it does find the boot device (in some sense) since it does start the boot process - so why is it complaining about the "boot device: "? Also: I don't know if it has technically hanged, but I cannot type anything (even though there is a cursor at the end of "root device: " and the computer is not responding to any keyboard input that I have tried, so I have to hard restart it by pressing the power button for a long time. typing 'dev' at the boot prompt gives the following output: disk hd0 size 223 GB disk fd0 fd0a disk fd1 fd1a default cd0a I don't know where 'fd1' comes from - there is only one floppy drive. /Emil
Re: NetBSD 10.0 installation cd boot hangs
On Sat, May 25, 2024 at 03:00:24PM +0200, Benny Siegert wrote: > This is technically not a hang. The kernel did not find the device to boot > from, so it is waiting for you to enter one. Are you expecting the device on > the SATA bus? -- Benny > I guess it should show up in the viaide controller, but: > viaide0 channel 1: reset failed for drive 0 says it did not work well. You could try to list the available devices by entering ? at the boot prompt (but I guess your CD will be missing). Martin
Re: NetBSD 10.0 installation cd boot hangs
Am 23.05.24 um 18:43 schrieb e...@tilde.team: The installation hangs after a while; I'm copying the last bit of the messages below: [ 2.6297051] ukbd0 at uhidev0 [ 2.6297051] wskbd1 at ukbd0 mux 1 [ 61.6629741] waiting for devices: atabus1 atabus2 atabus3 [ 121.6968080] waiting for devices: atabus1 atabus2 atabus3 [ 181.7306411] waiting for devices: atabus1 atabus2 atabus3 [ 241.7644750] waiting for devices: atabus1 atabus2 atabus3 [ 301.7983080] waiting for devices: atabus1 atabus2 atabus3 viaide0 channel 1: reset failed for drive 0 [ 311.2736479] WARNING: system needs entropy for security; see entropy(7) [ 311.2736479] swwdog0: software watchdog initialized [ 311.2736479] WARNING: 1 error while detecting hardware; check system log. [ 311.2736479] boot device: [ 311.2736479] root device: This is where it hangs. Happy to hear any suggestions. This is technically not a hang. The kernel did not find the device to boot from, so it is waiting for you to enter one. Are you expecting the device on the SATA bus? -- Benny
NetBSD 10.0 installation cd boot hangs
Hi, I have some older hardware that I am currently trying to install NetBSD on. In some cases I have not yet succeded; I'll describe one case here and start another thread for a different computer. The situation is that I have a Dell Optiplex 740 which happily ran NetBSD for a long time, but the HDD failed, so I replaced it with an SSD, and I'm trying to install NetBSD 10.0 (amd64) on it. The installation hangs after a while; I'm copying the last bit of the messages below: [ 2.6297051] ukbd0 at uhidev0 [ 2.6297051] wskbd1 at ukbd0 mux 1 [ 61.6629741] waiting for devices: atabus1 atabus2 atabus3 [ 121.6968080] waiting for devices: atabus1 atabus2 atabus3 [ 181.7306411] waiting for devices: atabus1 atabus2 atabus3 [ 241.7644750] waiting for devices: atabus1 atabus2 atabus3 [ 301.7983080] waiting for devices: atabus1 atabus2 atabus3 viaide0 channel 1: reset failed for drive 0 [ 311.2736479] WARNING: system needs entropy for security; see entropy(7) [ 311.2736479] swwdog0: software watchdog initialized [ 311.2736479] WARNING: 1 error while detecting hardware; check system log. [ 311.2736479] boot device: [ 311.2736479] root device: This is where it hangs. Happy to hear any suggestions. /emil
