Re: OT: Reliable Email/Web hosting service - recommendations?
On 2013-08-23 n...@syndicat.com wrote: Matthew Orgass schrieb: These are at least the best I've been able to find with high functionality and low cost as the primary criteria. This is a relative nonsense spec as high functionality (in a general way) results in high ressources from i.e. hardware, bandwidth / uplink quality and support resources. Sure, sorry, I could have said that better. I understand that $5/month web hosting is a sore spot for anyone with a connection to the industry. In this case the $5/month offering is really primarily useful for email and personal web use, which seems to me like possibly what Paul was looking for. For a real website it would be $25 or $35/month. csoft.net seems clearly marketed toward people who aren't likely to want unnecessary support. They seem like geeks doing cool stuff at reasonable prices (the parent company, the same people/primarily one person AFAICT, has various manufacturing capabilities). They have been providing hosting for almost twenty years (the basic structure of the current offerings seems to have started in 2000 according to a quick wayback machine search). It seems like a good place to get BSD hosting to me. -Matt
Re: OT: Reliable Email/Web hosting service - recommendations?
Evening, I too was going suggest taking a look at SDF as a possible option for your requirements. You would certainly be able to read your mail using mutt/alpine/mailx etc. if you wish. On Fri, Aug 23, 2013 at 11:40:00AM -0700, j...@sdf.org wrote: > I think sdf.org has some of what the OP was looking for. The main SDF cluster > is NetBSD-based and NetBSD is available as a VM image. Many of the > memberships > are tiered; at a minimum you'd need ARPA (one-time $36). I think the VHOST > membership combines most of what was asked for: > > # % vhost > # > # All benefits of these supplemental memberships: > # DNS - Domain Name Server (mkvhost) > # VPM - Virtual Pop3 Mail for your domain (mkvpm) > # DBA - 100MB MySQL database (not in 'basic') (startsql) > # Exclusive log file with archive (norge:/var/log/httpd/vhosts) > # Exclusive statistic reports (http://freeshell.org/vhosts) > # FREE domain registration with annual membership > # > # Monthly DuesDaily QuotaComments > # $5.00 100MB Basic membership > # $10.00 250MB > # $14.00 500MB Standard membership > # $20.001000MB Maximum quota > # > # LAND INTERNET (donations of $3.00 or more) > # - > # | SDF Public Access UNIX | PAYPAL.COM: pay...@freeshell.org | > # | PO BOX 17355| | > # | SEATTLE WA 98127 USA| (Be sure to include your user id) | > # - > # Acceptable funds: Western Union, Cheques, Money Orders, US, CDN, EURO, UK, > YEN > > The VMs appear to need MetaARPA ($36/yr) + VPS (varies; see > http://sdf.org/?vps ). > > There is currently SDF servers in the US (sdf.org) and DE (sdf-eu.org). > > You can peruse the FAQ and other info at sdf.org, and/or try irc.sdf.org > #helpdesk > > Good luck w/ your move! > > -Jeff > > With SDF, you would also be part of a public access system with a little more of a community around it, as an added bonus :) Cheers, Steve
Re: OT: Reliable Email/Web hosting service - recommendations?
Matthew Orgass schrieb: > These are at least the best I've been able to find with high >functionality and low cost as the primary criteria. This is a relative nonsense spec as high functionality (in a general way) results in high ressources from i.e. hardware, bandwidth / uplink quality and support resources. It is not a news that you wouldn't find a long established, reliable hosting provider whose high skilled admin does more the two key cklicks for 5 bucks a month for you or offering you any significant ressources real state of the art server hardware. There is no one on the net who is making christmas presents for the masses or - at least - not more then several monthes existing. As clearer you can make resource specifications for your special needs as higher is the chance to get a real efficient quality/feature - price - ratio. If you i.e. say: Im looking for cheap but "realiable" bandwidth (reliable for what: i.e. availability, quality, dedicated bw, peering scenario) service as a i.e. VPN access tunnel for private usage (expected bandwidthe, i.e. 15/0.5 MBit/s ADSL), availability at least 99.8%, not very latency critical, "much but cheap" or "less but faster" Storage (cheap SATA, SAS2 or high quality server SSDs) on real, but some years old server or even PC hardware, then you might catch a product what fit's your real needs AND is really low but good priced. The other scenario is you get a low price product with "high" prime level specs which are nice to read but nothing more. If you are "lucky" you are one of the first customers on that hosters machine or plattform, getting the best performance at the beginning but it is going down slightly but steadily over monthes until you pay more then you get. As more bad /cheap the hardware is (cheap CPU, bottlenecking IO subsystems, slow storage etc) as faster and more you may have to "upgrade" and "scale up" the specs of your VPS and your bills... I swa manies who had to buy Gigs of Gigs of RAM because the disk storage was a mess or CPU core by CPU core because of old CPUs or bad chipset constellations. So you gus feed the ones who doen't care your side of the deal in any efficiency view. Inefficeincy brings more money in such a business - strange but true - because the customers mainly take looks at the wrong specs... This is a very typical marketing scenario of many new hosting ISPs, may be they are aware of it, may be not... just my two cents here... Niels. --- Syndicat IT&Internet http://www.syndicat.com NOCs: DE / LU / CH -- Niels Dettenbach Syndicat IT&Internet http://www.syndicat.com
Re: OT: Reliable Email/Web hosting service - recommendations?
I think sdf.org has some of what the OP was looking for. The main SDF cluster is NetBSD-based and NetBSD is available as a VM image. Many of the memberships are tiered; at a minimum you'd need ARPA (one-time $36). I think the VHOST membership combines most of what was asked for: # % vhost # # All benefits of these supplemental memberships: # DNS - Domain Name Server (mkvhost) # VPM - Virtual Pop3 Mail for your domain (mkvpm) # DBA - 100MB MySQL database (not in 'basic') (startsql) # Exclusive log file with archive (norge:/var/log/httpd/vhosts) # Exclusive statistic reports (http://freeshell.org/vhosts) # FREE domain registration with annual membership # # Monthly DuesDaily QuotaComments # $5.00 100MB Basic membership # $10.00 250MB # $14.00 500MB Standard membership # $20.001000MB Maximum quota # # LAND INTERNET (donations of $3.00 or more) # - # | SDF Public Access UNIX | PAYPAL.COM: pay...@freeshell.org | # | PO BOX 17355| | # | SEATTLE WA 98127 USA| (Be sure to include your user id) | # - # Acceptable funds: Western Union, Cheques, Money Orders, US, CDN, EURO, UK, YEN The VMs appear to need MetaARPA ($36/yr) + VPS (varies; see http://sdf.org/?vps ). There is currently SDF servers in the US (sdf.org) and DE (sdf-eu.org). You can peruse the FAQ and other info at sdf.org, and/or try irc.sdf.org #helpdesk Good luck w/ your move! -Jeff
Re: OT: Reliable Email/Web hosting service - recommendations?
Hi Paul, I don't think the type of VPN that HideMyAss.com and those places offer will help you. They are more oriented towards browsing and, unless they have some additional offering that I did't notice, would not allow traffic initiated by others to reach you unless it is known to be in response to traffic you generated. I've looked web hosting several times recently and the two I've come back to are csoft.net for shared hosting (starts at $5/month) and gandi.net for virtual machine hosting (starts at $14/month). Although a little more expensive than other choices, I like gandi.net for domain name registration (which I haven't done much of so YMMV) and they have some free services with registration if your needs are basic enough. I like that csoft.net just alters the priority of your bandwidth based on your account level and does not charge for bandwidth usage over a specific amount (there is a bandwidth minimum per account type). I'm not entirely sure how this works out in practice (I had an account with them for a little while several years ago but didn't use it much), but I suspect that other providers do the same thing in addition to charging you extra if you go over bandwidth. You can relay through their mail server after authenticating over TLS and they support POP3 and IMAP. There are a few limitations of csoft hosting that do not apply to the Gandi cloud hosting, such as that you will not use it to backup your computer. csoft.net advertises having NetBSD hosts available, but didn't actually when I last used them (they did have both OpenBSD and FreeBSD hosts then). They use a custom (open source) administration system and will implement feature change requests quickly if they meet their overall design philosophy. Their SSL setup has a few issues according to ssllabs.com analysis, but I hope they would quickly fix those too (you don't get SSL for your website until the $25/month level and at the $35/month level could presumably set it up how you want). gandi.net only supports Linux variants. I'm not sure if it is possible to run unsupported OSes at all. They are xen based, but it sounds like they might have substantial local modifications. These are at least the best I've been able to find with high functionality and low cost as the primary criteria. -Matt On 2013-08-22 p...@whooppee.com wrote: Date: Thu, 22 Aug 2013 13:29:12 -0700 (PDT) From: Paul Goyette To: netbsd-users@netbsd.org Subject: OT: Reliable Email/Web hosting service - recommendations? Some time next year, I'll be moving from the US to the Philippines. It is next-to-impossible to get static-IPv4 addresses, and IPv6-access for residential service is (apparently) even less likely. So, I've got a couple of options. One would be to "lease" a fixed address from a US-based company and set up a VPN-over-tunnel (HideMyAss.com for example). It seems easier to just have someone host my domain's mail and web services, and probably less expensive,too. But I really don't want to have to use web-based application for Email; I would much prefer using POP3 (via pkgsrc/fetchmail or similar) to pull mail, and send directly (via postfix). I would also prefer NOT to retain my current DNS services, and not have to transfer them the Email/Web hosting service. So, with all these requirements, does anyone have any suggestions or recommendations? - | Paul Goyette | PGP Key fingerprint: | E-mail addresses: | | Customer Service | FA29 0E3B 35AF E8AE 6651 | paul at whooppee.com| | Network Engineer | 0786 F758 55DE 53BA 7731 | pgoyette at juniper.net | | Kernel Developer | | pgoyette at netbsd.org | -
Re: OT: Reliable Email/Web hosting service - recommendations?
Thanks to everyone for your replies. Based on all the suggestions I've received, it looks like I'm going to need to go the "VPS" route. And I'll most likely start with the folks at prgmr.com - they seem to have the best pricing model, and they also provide detailed instructions on set-up, including a detailed How-To for NetBSD Xen DOMU. Now I've just got to figure out how to set-up IPSEC tunnel between the VPS machine and the rest of my network! - | Paul Goyette | PGP Key fingerprint: | E-mail addresses: | | Customer Service | FA29 0E3B 35AF E8AE 6651 | paul at whooppee.com| | Network Engineer | 0786 F758 55DE 53BA 7731 | pgoyette at juniper.net | | Kernel Developer | | pgoyette at netbsd.org | -
Re: OT: Reliable Email/Web hosting service - recommendations?
=> Some time next year, I'll be moving from the US to the Philippines. It => is next-to-impossible to get static-IPv4 addresses, and IPv6-access for => residential service is (apparently) even less likely. => => So, I've got a couple of options. One would be to "lease" a fixed => address from a US-based company and set up a VPN-over-tunnel => (HideMyAss.com for example). => => It seems easier to just have someone host my domain's mail and web => services, and probably less expensive,too. But I really don't want to => have to use web-based application for Email; I would much prefer using => POP3 (via pkgsrc/fetchmail or similar) to pull mail, and send directly => (via postfix). => => I would also prefer NOT to retain my current DNS services, and not have => to transfer them the Email/Web hosting service. => => So, with all these requirements, does anyone have any suggestions or => recommendations? For the do-it-yourself-er, maybe a Xen VPS on prgmr.com? You get lots of flexibility, but cost and maintenance are likely higher than a hosted services solution. I run a NetBSD 6.1 VPS there now, and they offer static IPv4 and IPv6, and I have an HE/tunnelbroker.net IPv6 tunnel (w/ipsec) from there to my home network. I think their stock NetBSD image is still 5.x, but it should be easy to boot up a 6.x or current DOMU install kernel and do a fresh install. Good luck... Gary Duzan
OT: Reliable Email/Web hosting service - recommendations?
Some time next year, I'll be moving from the US to the Philippines. It is next-to-impossible to get static-IPv4 addresses, and IPv6-access for residential service is (apparently) even less likely. So, I've got a couple of options. One would be to "lease" a fixed address from a US-based company and set up a VPN-over-tunnel (HideMyAss.com for example). It seems easier to just have someone host my domain's mail and web services, and probably less expensive,too. But I really don't want to have to use web-based application for Email; I would much prefer using POP3 (via pkgsrc/fetchmail or similar) to pull mail, and send directly (via postfix). I would also prefer NOT to retain my current DNS services, and not have to transfer them the Email/Web hosting service. So, with all these requirements, does anyone have any suggestions or recommendations? - | Paul Goyette | PGP Key fingerprint: | E-mail addresses: | | Customer Service | FA29 0E3B 35AF E8AE 6651 | paul at whooppee.com| | Network Engineer | 0786 F758 55DE 53BA 7731 | pgoyette at juniper.net | | Kernel Developer | | pgoyette at netbsd.org | -
