Re: A second case of XPS considerably reducing single-stream performance
On Thu, Aug 25, 2016 at 12:19 PM, Alexander Duyck wrote: > On Wed, Aug 24, 2016 at 4:46 PM, Rick Jones wrote: >> Also, while it doesn't seem to have the same massive effect on throughput, I >> can also see out of order behaviour happening when the sending VM is on a >> node with a ConnectX-3 Pro NIC. Its driver is also enabling XPS it would >> seem. I'm not *certain* but looking at the traces it appears that with the >> ConnectX-3 Pro there is more interleaving of the out-of-order traffic than >> there is with the Skyhawk. The ConnectX-3 Pro happens to be in a newer >> generation server with a newer processor than the other systems where I've >> seen this. >> >> I do not see the out-of-order behaviour when the NIC at the sending end is a >> BCM57840. It does not appear that the bnx2x driver in the 4.4 kernel is >> enabling XPS. >> >> So, it would seem that there are three cases of enabling XPS resulting in >> out-of-order traffic, two of which result in a non-trivial loss of >> performance. >> >> happy benchmarking, >> >> rick jones > > The problem is that there is no socket associated with the guest from > the host's perspective. This is resulting in the traffic bouncing > between queues because there is no saved socket to lock the interface > onto. > > I was looking into this recently as well and had considered a couple > of options. The first is to fall back to just using skb_tx_hash() > when skb->sk is null for a given buffer. I have a patch I have been > toying around with but I haven't submitted it yet. If you would like > I can submit it as an RFC to get your thoughts. The second option is > to enforce the use of RPS for any interfaces that do not perform Rx in > NAPI context. The correct solution for this is probably some > combination of the two as you have to have all queueing done in order > at every stage of the packet processing. > I have thought several times about creating flow states for packets coming from VMs. This can be done similar to how we do RFS, call flow dissector to get a hash of the flow and then use that to index into a table that contains the last queue-- only change the queue when criteria are meant to prevent OOO. This would result in flow dissector on such packets which seems a bit expensive, it would be nice if the VM can just give us the hash in a TX descriptor. There are other benefits with a more advanced mechanism, for instance we might be able to cache routes or IP tables results (stuff we might keep if there were a transport socket). Tom
Re: A second case of XPS considerably reducing single-stream performance
On Thu, Aug 25, 2016 at 1:18 PM, Rick Jones wrote: > On 08/25/2016 12:19 PM, Alexander Duyck wrote: >> >> The problem is that there is no socket associated with the guest from >> the host's perspective. This is resulting in the traffic bouncing >> between queues because there is no saved socket to lock the interface >> onto. >> >> I was looking into this recently as well and had considered a couple >> of options. The first is to fall back to just using skb_tx_hash() >> when skb->sk is null for a given buffer. I have a patch I have been >> toying around with but I haven't submitted it yet. If you would like >> I can submit it as an RFC to get your thoughts. The second option is >> to enforce the use of RPS for any interfaces that do not perform Rx in >> NAPI context. The correct solution for this is probably some >> combination of the two as you have to have all queueing done in order >> at every stage of the packet processing. > > > I don't know with interfaces would be hit, but just in general, I'm not sure > that requiring RPS be enabled is a good solution - picking where traffic is > processed based on its addressing is fine in a benchmarking situation, but I > think it is better to have the process/thread scheduler decide where > something should run and not the addressing of the connections that > thread/process is servicing. > > I would be interested in seeing the RFC patch you propose. > > Apart from that, given the prevalence of VMs these days I wonder if perhaps > simply not enabling XPS by default isn't a viable alternative. I've not > played with containers to know if they would exhibit this too. > > Drifting ever so slightly, if drivers are going to continue to enable XPS by > default, Documentation/networking/scaling.txt might use a tweak: > > diff --git a/Documentation/networking/scaling.txt > b/Documentation/networking/sca > index 59f4db2..8b5537c 100644 > --- a/Documentation/networking/scaling.txt > +++ b/Documentation/networking/scaling.txt > @@ -402,10 +402,12 @@ acknowledged. > > XPS Configuration > > -XPS is only available if the kconfig symbol CONFIG_XPS is enabled (on by > -default for SMP). The functionality remains disabled until explicitly > -configured. To enable XPS, the bitmap of CPUs that may use a transmit > -queue is configured using the sysfs file entry: > +XPS is available only when the kconfig symbol CONFIG_XPS is enabled > +(on by default for SMP). The drivers for some NICs will enable the > +functionality by default. For others the functionality remains > +disabled until explicitly configured. To enable XPS, the bitmap of > +CPUs that may use a transmit queue is configured using the sysfs file > +entry: > > /sys/class/net//queues/tx-/xps_cpus > > > The original wording leaves the impression that XPS is not enabled by > default. > > rick That's true. The original documentation probably wasn't updated after I added netif_set_xps_queue giving drivers the ability to specify the XPS map themselves. That was a workaround to get the drivers to stop bypassing all of this entirely and using ndo_select_queue. We might want to tweak the documentation to state that XPS is disabled unless either the user enables it via the syfs or the device's driver enables it via netif_set_xps_queue. If you want to submit something like that as an official patch I would have no problem with it. Then if nothing else it becomes much easier to identify which drivers enable this by default as all you have to do is plug the function into LXR and you have your list. - Alex
Re: A second case of XPS considerably reducing single-stream performance
On 08/25/2016 12:19 PM, Alexander Duyck wrote: The problem is that there is no socket associated with the guest from the host's perspective. This is resulting in the traffic bouncing between queues because there is no saved socket to lock the interface onto. I was looking into this recently as well and had considered a couple of options. The first is to fall back to just using skb_tx_hash() when skb->sk is null for a given buffer. I have a patch I have been toying around with but I haven't submitted it yet. If you would like I can submit it as an RFC to get your thoughts. The second option is to enforce the use of RPS for any interfaces that do not perform Rx in NAPI context. The correct solution for this is probably some combination of the two as you have to have all queueing done in order at every stage of the packet processing. I don't know with interfaces would be hit, but just in general, I'm not sure that requiring RPS be enabled is a good solution - picking where traffic is processed based on its addressing is fine in a benchmarking situation, but I think it is better to have the process/thread scheduler decide where something should run and not the addressing of the connections that thread/process is servicing. I would be interested in seeing the RFC patch you propose. Apart from that, given the prevalence of VMs these days I wonder if perhaps simply not enabling XPS by default isn't a viable alternative. I've not played with containers to know if they would exhibit this too. Drifting ever so slightly, if drivers are going to continue to enable XPS by default, Documentation/networking/scaling.txt might use a tweak: diff --git a/Documentation/networking/scaling.txt b/Documentation/networking/sca index 59f4db2..8b5537c 100644 --- a/Documentation/networking/scaling.txt +++ b/Documentation/networking/scaling.txt @@ -402,10 +402,12 @@ acknowledged. XPS Configuration -XPS is only available if the kconfig symbol CONFIG_XPS is enabled (on by -default for SMP). The functionality remains disabled until explicitly -configured. To enable XPS, the bitmap of CPUs that may use a transmit -queue is configured using the sysfs file entry: +XPS is available only when the kconfig symbol CONFIG_XPS is enabled +(on by default for SMP). The drivers for some NICs will enable the +functionality by default. For others the functionality remains +disabled until explicitly configured. To enable XPS, the bitmap of +CPUs that may use a transmit queue is configured using the sysfs file +entry: /sys/class/net//queues/tx-/xps_cpus The original wording leaves the impression that XPS is not enabled by default. rick
Re: A second case of XPS considerably reducing single-stream performance
On Wed, Aug 24, 2016 at 4:46 PM, Rick Jones wrote: > Also, while it doesn't seem to have the same massive effect on throughput, I > can also see out of order behaviour happening when the sending VM is on a > node with a ConnectX-3 Pro NIC. Its driver is also enabling XPS it would > seem. I'm not *certain* but looking at the traces it appears that with the > ConnectX-3 Pro there is more interleaving of the out-of-order traffic than > there is with the Skyhawk. The ConnectX-3 Pro happens to be in a newer > generation server with a newer processor than the other systems where I've > seen this. > > I do not see the out-of-order behaviour when the NIC at the sending end is a > BCM57840. It does not appear that the bnx2x driver in the 4.4 kernel is > enabling XPS. > > So, it would seem that there are three cases of enabling XPS resulting in > out-of-order traffic, two of which result in a non-trivial loss of > performance. > > happy benchmarking, > > rick jones The problem is that there is no socket associated with the guest from the host's perspective. This is resulting in the traffic bouncing between queues because there is no saved socket to lock the interface onto. I was looking into this recently as well and had considered a couple of options. The first is to fall back to just using skb_tx_hash() when skb->sk is null for a given buffer. I have a patch I have been toying around with but I haven't submitted it yet. If you would like I can submit it as an RFC to get your thoughts. The second option is to enforce the use of RPS for any interfaces that do not perform Rx in NAPI context. The correct solution for this is probably some combination of the two as you have to have all queueing done in order at every stage of the packet processing. - Alex
Re: A second case of XPS considerably reducing single-stream performance
Also, while it doesn't seem to have the same massive effect on throughput, I can also see out of order behaviour happening when the sending VM is on a node with a ConnectX-3 Pro NIC. Its driver is also enabling XPS it would seem. I'm not *certain* but looking at the traces it appears that with the ConnectX-3 Pro there is more interleaving of the out-of-order traffic than there is with the Skyhawk. The ConnectX-3 Pro happens to be in a newer generation server with a newer processor than the other systems where I've seen this. I do not see the out-of-order behaviour when the NIC at the sending end is a BCM57840. It does not appear that the bnx2x driver in the 4.4 kernel is enabling XPS. So, it would seem that there are three cases of enabling XPS resulting in out-of-order traffic, two of which result in a non-trivial loss of performance. happy benchmarking, rick jones
A second case of XPS considerably reducing single-stream performance
Back in February of this year, I reported some performance issues with the ixgbe driver enabling XPS by default and instance network performance in OpenStack: http://www.spinics.net/lists/netdev/msg362915.html I've now seen the same thing with be2net and Skyhawk. In this case, the magnitude of the delta is even greater. Disabling XPS increased the netperf single-stream performance out of the instance from an average of 4108 Mbit/s to Mbit/s or 116%. Should drivers really be enabling XPS by default? Instance To Outside World Single-stream netperf ~30 Samples for Each Statistic Mbit/s SkyhawkBE3 #1BE3 #2 XPS On XPS Off XPS On XPS Off XPS On XPS Off Median4192 8883 8930 8853 8917 8695 Average 4108 8940 8859 8885 8671 happy benchmarking, rick jones The sample counts below may not fully support the additional statistics but for the curious: raj@tardy:/tmp$ ~/netperf2_trunk/doc/examples/parse_single_stream.py -r 6 waxon_performance.log -f 2 Field2,Min,P10,Median,Average,P90,P99,Max,Count be3-1,8758.850,8811.600,8930.900,8940.555,9096.470,9175.839,9183.690,31 be3-2,8588.450,8736.967,8917.075,8885.322,9017.914,9075.735,9094.620,32 skyhawk,3326.760,3536.008,4192.780,4108.513,4651.164,4723.322,4724.320,27 0 too-short lines ignored. raj@tardy:/tmp$ ~/netperf2_trunk/doc/examples/parse_single_stream.py -r 6 waxoff_performance.log -f 2 Field2,Min,P10,Median,Average,P90,P99,Max,Count be3-1,8461.080,8634.690,8853.260,8859.870,9064.480,9247.770,9253.050,31 be3-2,7519.130,8368.564,8695.140,8671.241,9068.588,9200.719,9241.500,27 skyhawk,8071.180,8651.587,8883.340,.411,9135.603,9141.229,9142.010,32 0 too-short lines ignored. "waxon" is with XPS enabled, "waxoff" is with XPS disabled. The servers are the same models/config as in February. stack@np-cp1-comp0013-mgmt:~$ sudo ethtool -i hed3 driver: be2net version: 10.6.0.3 firmware-version: 10.7.110.45
