Re: [netmod] FW: I-D Action: draft-ietf-netmod-rfc8022bis-06.txt
On 1/2/2018 12:59 PM, Acee Lindem (acee) wrote: Hi Lada, Tom, Okay - no sense in derailing this draft based on an example if there isn’t consensus. Fine with me. Regards, B. Thanks, Acee On 1/2/18, 5:42 AM, "Ladislav Lhotka" wrote: On Wed, 2017-12-27 at 17:25 +, Acee Lindem (acee) wrote: Hi Benoit, On 12/27/17, 6:18 AM, "Benoit Claise (bclaise)" wrote: Thanks Acee, Minor question for the working group and the draft-ietf-rtgwg-yang-rip authors. The appendix is about adding a new control-plane protocol. It takes as an example RIP. However, draft-ietf-rtgwg-yang-rip is being finalized (on the IESG telechat on Jan 11th). Does it make sense to keep the RIP example? If so, is the example consistent with draft-ietf-rtgwg-yang-rip? Or should we just point to draft-ietf-rtgwg-yang-rip as the example? It is probably better just to reference the RIP module draft. Does anyone disagree? I tend to disagree. For this document, we need a simple example to illustrate the steps that need to be done. Any production module, be it ietf-rip or anything else, necessarily involves some complexity that defeats the purpose of the example. In my view, the present RIP example is fine. Perhaps we can extend the disclaimer saying that it is not intended as a production module and also provide a non-normative reference to the "real" RIP module. Lada Thanks, Acee Not strong views on my side. Regards, Benoit This version includes Martin’s YANG doctor comments and some updates to the examples (e.g., YANG Library data) from Lada. Thanks, Acee On 12/22/17, 1:28 PM, "netmod on behalf of internet-dra...@ietf.org" wrote: A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories. This draft is a work item of the Network Modeling WG of the IETF. Title : A YANG Data Model for Routing Management (NDMA Version) Authors : Ladislav Lhotka Acee Lindem Yingzhen Qu Filename: draft-ietf-netmod-rfc8022bis-06.txt Pages : 77 Date: 2017-12-22 Abstract: This document contains a specification of three YANG modules and one submodule. Together they form the core routing data model that serves as a framework for configuring and managing a routing subsystem. It is expected that these modules will be augmented by additional YANG modules defining data models for control-plane protocols, route filters, and other functions. The core routing data model provides common building blocks for such extensions -- routes, Routing Information Bases (RIBs), and control-plane protocols. The YANG modules in this document conform to the Network Management Datastore Architecture (NMDA). This document obsoletes RFC 8022. The IETF datatracker status page for this draft is: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-netmod-rfc8022bis/ There are also htmlized versions available at: https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-netmod-rfc8022bis-06 https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-ietf-netmod-rfc8022bis-06 A diff from the previous version is available at: https://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=draft-ietf-netmod-rfc8022bis-06 Please note that it may take a couple of minutes from the time of submission until the htmlized version and diff are available at tools.ietf.org. Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP at: ftp://ftp.ietf.org/internet-drafts/ ___ netmod mailing list netmod@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/netmod ___ netmod mailing list netmod@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/netmod ___ netmod mailing list netmod@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/netmod -- Ladislav Lhotka Head, CZ.NIC Labs PGP Key ID: 0xB8F92B08A9F76C67 ___ netmod mailing list netmod@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/netmod
Re: [netmod] FW: I-D Action: draft-ietf-netmod-rfc8022bis-06.txt
Hi Lada, Tom, Okay - no sense in derailing this draft based on an example if there isn’t consensus. Thanks, Acee On 1/2/18, 5:42 AM, "Ladislav Lhotka" wrote: >On Wed, 2017-12-27 at 17:25 +, Acee Lindem (acee) wrote: >> Hi Benoit, >> >> On 12/27/17, 6:18 AM, "Benoit Claise (bclaise)" >>wrote: >> >> > Thanks Acee, >> > >> > Minor question for the working group and the draft-ietf-rtgwg-yang-rip >> > authors. >> > >> > The appendix is about adding a new control-plane protocol. It takes as >> > an example RIP. >> > However, draft-ietf-rtgwg-yang-rip is being finalized (on the IESG >> > telechat on Jan 11th). >> > Does it make sense to keep the RIP example? If so, is the example >> > consistent with draft-ietf-rtgwg-yang-rip? >> > Or should we just point to draft-ietf-rtgwg-yang-rip as the example? >> >> It is probably better just to reference the RIP module draft. Does >>anyone >> disagree? > >I tend to disagree. For this document, we need a simple example to >illustrate >the steps that need to be done. Any production module, be it ietf-rip or >anything else, necessarily involves some complexity that defeats the >purpose of >the example. > >In my view, the present RIP example is fine. Perhaps we can extend the >disclaimer saying that it is not intended as a production module and also >provide a non-normative reference to the "real" RIP module. > >Lada > >> >> Thanks, >> Acee >> > >> > Not strong views on my side. >> > >> > Regards, Benoit >> > > This version includes Martin’s YANG doctor comments and some >>updates to >> > > the examples (e.g., YANG Library data) from Lada. >> > > >> > > Thanks, >> > > Acee >> > > >> > > On 12/22/17, 1:28 PM, "netmod on behalf of internet-dra...@ietf.org" >> > > >>wrote: >> > > >> > > > A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts >> > > > directories. >> > > > This draft is a work item of the Network Modeling WG of the IETF. >> > > > >> > > > Title : A YANG Data Model for Routing Management >> > > > (NDMA >> > > > Version) >> > > > Authors : Ladislav Lhotka >> > > > Acee Lindem >> > > > Yingzhen Qu >> > > >Filename: draft-ietf-netmod-rfc8022bis-06.txt >> > > >Pages : 77 >> > > >Date: 2017-12-22 >> > > > >> > > > Abstract: >> > > >This document contains a specification of three YANG modules >>and one >> > > >submodule. Together they form the core routing data model that >> > > >serves as a framework for configuring and managing a routing >> > > >subsystem. It is expected that these modules will be >>augmented by >> > > >additional YANG modules defining data models for control-plane >> > > >protocols, route filters, and other functions. The core >>routing >> > > > data >> > > >model provides common building blocks for such extensions -- >>routes, >> > > >Routing Information Bases (RIBs), and control-plane protocols. >> > > > >> > > >The YANG modules in this document conform to the Network >>Management >> > > >Datastore Architecture (NMDA). This document obsoletes RFC >>8022. >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > The IETF datatracker status page for this draft is: >> > > > https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-netmod-rfc8022bis/ >> > > > >> > > > There are also htmlized versions available at: >> > > > https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-netmod-rfc8022bis-06 >> > > > >>https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-ietf-netmod-rfc8022bis-06 >> > > > >> > > > A diff from the previous version is available at: >> > > > https://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=draft-ietf-netmod-rfc8022bis-06 >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > Please note that it may take a couple of minutes from the time of >> > > > submission >> > > > until the htmlized version and diff are available at >>tools.ietf.org. >> > > > >> > > > Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP at: >> > > > ftp://ftp.ietf.org/internet-drafts/ >> > > > >> > > > ___ >> > > > netmod mailing list >> > > > netmod@ietf.org >> > > > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/netmod >> > > >> > > ___ >> > > netmod mailing list >> > > netmod@ietf.org >> > > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/netmod >> >> ___ >> netmod mailing list >> netmod@ietf.org >> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/netmod >-- >Ladislav Lhotka >Head, CZ.NIC Labs >PGP Key ID: 0xB8F92B08A9F76C67 ___ netmod mailing list netmod@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/netmod
Re: [netmod] FW: I-D Action: draft-ietf-netmod-rfc8022bis-06.txt
On Wed, 2017-12-27 at 17:25 +, Acee Lindem (acee) wrote: > Hi Benoit, > > On 12/27/17, 6:18 AM, "Benoit Claise (bclaise)" wrote: > > > Thanks Acee, > > > > Minor question for the working group and the draft-ietf-rtgwg-yang-rip > > authors. > > > > The appendix is about adding a new control-plane protocol. It takes as > > an example RIP. > > However, draft-ietf-rtgwg-yang-rip is being finalized (on the IESG > > telechat on Jan 11th). > > Does it make sense to keep the RIP example? If so, is the example > > consistent with draft-ietf-rtgwg-yang-rip? > > Or should we just point to draft-ietf-rtgwg-yang-rip as the example? > > It is probably better just to reference the RIP module draft. Does anyone > disagree? I tend to disagree. For this document, we need a simple example to illustrate the steps that need to be done. Any production module, be it ietf-rip or anything else, necessarily involves some complexity that defeats the purpose of the example. In my view, the present RIP example is fine. Perhaps we can extend the disclaimer saying that it is not intended as a production module and also provide a non-normative reference to the "real" RIP module. Lada > > Thanks, > Acee > > > > Not strong views on my side. > > > > Regards, Benoit > > > This version includes Martin’s YANG doctor comments and some updates to > > > the examples (e.g., YANG Library data) from Lada. > > > > > > Thanks, > > > Acee > > > > > > On 12/22/17, 1:28 PM, "netmod on behalf of internet-dra...@ietf.org" > > > wrote: > > > > > > > A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts > > > > directories. > > > > This draft is a work item of the Network Modeling WG of the IETF. > > > > > > > > Title : A YANG Data Model for Routing Management > > > > (NDMA > > > > Version) > > > > Authors : Ladislav Lhotka > > > > Acee Lindem > > > > Yingzhen Qu > > > > Filename: draft-ietf-netmod-rfc8022bis-06.txt > > > > Pages : 77 > > > > Date: 2017-12-22 > > > > > > > > Abstract: > > > >This document contains a specification of three YANG modules and one > > > >submodule. Together they form the core routing data model that > > > >serves as a framework for configuring and managing a routing > > > >subsystem. It is expected that these modules will be augmented by > > > >additional YANG modules defining data models for control-plane > > > >protocols, route filters, and other functions. The core routing > > > > data > > > >model provides common building blocks for such extensions -- routes, > > > >Routing Information Bases (RIBs), and control-plane protocols. > > > > > > > >The YANG modules in this document conform to the Network Management > > > >Datastore Architecture (NMDA). This document obsoletes RFC 8022. > > > > > > > > > > > > The IETF datatracker status page for this draft is: > > > > https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-netmod-rfc8022bis/ > > > > > > > > There are also htmlized versions available at: > > > > https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-netmod-rfc8022bis-06 > > > > https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-ietf-netmod-rfc8022bis-06 > > > > > > > > A diff from the previous version is available at: > > > > https://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=draft-ietf-netmod-rfc8022bis-06 > > > > > > > > > > > > Please note that it may take a couple of minutes from the time of > > > > submission > > > > until the htmlized version and diff are available at tools.ietf.org. > > > > > > > > Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP at: > > > > ftp://ftp.ietf.org/internet-drafts/ > > > > > > > > ___ > > > > netmod mailing list > > > > netmod@ietf.org > > > > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/netmod > > > > > > ___ > > > netmod mailing list > > > netmod@ietf.org > > > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/netmod > > ___ > netmod mailing list > netmod@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/netmod -- Ladislav Lhotka Head, CZ.NIC Labs PGP Key ID: 0xB8F92B08A9F76C67 ___ netmod mailing list netmod@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/netmod
Re: [netmod] FW: I-D Action: draft-ietf-netmod-rfc8022bis-06.txt
- Original Message - From: "Acee Lindem (acee)" Sent: Wednesday, December 27, 2017 5:25 PM > Hi Benoit, > > On 12/27/17, 6:18 AM, "Benoit Claise (bclaise)" wrote: > > >Thanks Acee, > > > >Minor question for the working group and the draft-ietf-rtgwg-yang-rip > >authors. > > > >The appendix is about adding a new control-plane protocol. It takes as > >an example RIP. > >However, draft-ietf-rtgwg-yang-rip is being finalized (on the IESG > >telechat on Jan 11th). > >Does it make sense to keep the RIP example? If so, is the example > >consistent with draft-ietf-rtgwg-yang-rip? > >Or should we just point to draft-ietf-rtgwg-yang-rip as the example? > > It is probably better just to reference the RIP module draft. Does anyone > disagree? Disagree; strongly. You are then holding up as an example to the rest of the world of how to do it a YANG module produced by a WG over which we have no control and little influence and who may produce a less than satisfactory module. I have already commented that IMHO the rip module is not fit to advance and even if the issues are addressed we have no certainty that the module will be fit to hold up to the world as an examplar. So no, referencing yang-rip is a bad idea. Tom Petch > > Thanks, > Acee > > > >Not strong views on my side. > > > >Regards, Benoit > >> This version includes Martin’s YANG doctor comments and some updates to > >> the examples (e.g., YANG Library data) from Lada. > >> > >> Thanks, > >> Acee > >> > >> On 12/22/17, 1:28 PM, "netmod on behalf of internet-dra...@ietf.org" > >> wrote: > >> > >>> A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts > >>> directories. > >>> This draft is a work item of the Network Modeling WG of the IETF. > >>> > >>> Title : A YANG Data Model for Routing Management > >>>(NDMA > >>> Version) > >>> Authors : Ladislav Lhotka > >>> Acee Lindem > >>> Yingzhen Qu > >>> Filename: draft-ietf-netmod-rfc8022bis-06.txt > >>> Pages : 77 > >>> Date: 2017-12-22 > >>> > >>> Abstract: > >>>This document contains a specification of three YANG modules and one > >>>submodule. Together they form the core routing data model that > >>>serves as a framework for configuring and managing a routing > >>>subsystem. It is expected that these modules will be augmented by > >>>additional YANG modules defining data models for control-plane > >>>protocols, route filters, and other functions. The core routing > >>>data > >>>model provides common building blocks for such extensions -- routes, > >>>Routing Information Bases (RIBs), and control-plane protocols. > >>> > >>>The YANG modules in this document conform to the Network Management > >>>Datastore Architecture (NMDA). This document obsoletes RFC 8022. > >>> > >>> > >>> The IETF datatracker status page for this draft is: > >>> https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-netmod-rfc8022bis/ > >>> > >>> There are also htmlized versions available at: > >>> https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-netmod-rfc8022bis-06 > >>> https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-ietf-netmod-rfc8022bis-06 > >>> > >>> A diff from the previous version is available at: > >>> https://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=draft-ietf-netmod-rfc8022bis-06 > >>> > >>> > >>> Please note that it may take a couple of minutes from the time of > >>> submission > >>> until the htmlized version and diff are available at tools.ietf.org. > >>> > >>> Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP at: > >>> ftp://ftp.ietf.org/internet-drafts/ > >>> > >>> ___ > >>> netmod mailing list > >>> netmod@ietf.org > >>> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/netmod > >> ___ > >> netmod mailing list > >> netmod@ietf.org > >> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/netmod > > > > ___ > netmod mailing list > netmod@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/netmod > ___ netmod mailing list netmod@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/netmod
Re: [netmod] FW: I-D Action: draft-ietf-netmod-rfc8022bis-06.txt
Hi Benoit, On 12/27/17, 6:18 AM, "Benoit Claise (bclaise)" wrote: >Thanks Acee, > >Minor question for the working group and the draft-ietf-rtgwg-yang-rip >authors. > >The appendix is about adding a new control-plane protocol. It takes as >an example RIP. >However, draft-ietf-rtgwg-yang-rip is being finalized (on the IESG >telechat on Jan 11th). >Does it make sense to keep the RIP example? If so, is the example >consistent with draft-ietf-rtgwg-yang-rip? >Or should we just point to draft-ietf-rtgwg-yang-rip as the example? It is probably better just to reference the RIP module draft. Does anyone disagree? Thanks, Acee > >Not strong views on my side. > >Regards, Benoit >> This version includes Martin’s YANG doctor comments and some updates to >> the examples (e.g., YANG Library data) from Lada. >> >> Thanks, >> Acee >> >> On 12/22/17, 1:28 PM, "netmod on behalf of internet-dra...@ietf.org" >> wrote: >> >>> A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts >>> directories. >>> This draft is a work item of the Network Modeling WG of the IETF. >>> >>> Title : A YANG Data Model for Routing Management >>>(NDMA >>> Version) >>> Authors : Ladislav Lhotka >>> Acee Lindem >>> Yingzhen Qu >>> Filename: draft-ietf-netmod-rfc8022bis-06.txt >>> Pages : 77 >>> Date: 2017-12-22 >>> >>> Abstract: >>>This document contains a specification of three YANG modules and one >>>submodule. Together they form the core routing data model that >>>serves as a framework for configuring and managing a routing >>>subsystem. It is expected that these modules will be augmented by >>>additional YANG modules defining data models for control-plane >>>protocols, route filters, and other functions. The core routing >>>data >>>model provides common building blocks for such extensions -- routes, >>>Routing Information Bases (RIBs), and control-plane protocols. >>> >>>The YANG modules in this document conform to the Network Management >>>Datastore Architecture (NMDA). This document obsoletes RFC 8022. >>> >>> >>> The IETF datatracker status page for this draft is: >>> https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-netmod-rfc8022bis/ >>> >>> There are also htmlized versions available at: >>> https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-netmod-rfc8022bis-06 >>> https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-ietf-netmod-rfc8022bis-06 >>> >>> A diff from the previous version is available at: >>> https://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=draft-ietf-netmod-rfc8022bis-06 >>> >>> >>> Please note that it may take a couple of minutes from the time of >>> submission >>> until the htmlized version and diff are available at tools.ietf.org. >>> >>> Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP at: >>> ftp://ftp.ietf.org/internet-drafts/ >>> >>> ___ >>> netmod mailing list >>> netmod@ietf.org >>> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/netmod >> ___ >> netmod mailing list >> netmod@ietf.org >> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/netmod > ___ netmod mailing list netmod@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/netmod
Re: [netmod] FW: I-D Action: draft-ietf-netmod-rfc8022bis-06.txt
Thanks Acee, Minor question for the working group and the draft-ietf-rtgwg-yang-rip authors. The appendix is about adding a new control-plane protocol. It takes as an example RIP. However, draft-ietf-rtgwg-yang-rip is being finalized (on the IESG telechat on Jan 11th). Does it make sense to keep the RIP example? If so, is the example consistent with draft-ietf-rtgwg-yang-rip? Or should we just point to draft-ietf-rtgwg-yang-rip as the example? Not strong views on my side. Regards, Benoit This version includes Martin’s YANG doctor comments and some updates to the examples (e.g., YANG Library data) from Lada. Thanks, Acee On 12/22/17, 1:28 PM, "netmod on behalf of internet-dra...@ietf.org" wrote: A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories. This draft is a work item of the Network Modeling WG of the IETF. Title : A YANG Data Model for Routing Management (NDMA Version) Authors : Ladislav Lhotka Acee Lindem Yingzhen Qu Filename: draft-ietf-netmod-rfc8022bis-06.txt Pages : 77 Date: 2017-12-22 Abstract: This document contains a specification of three YANG modules and one submodule. Together they form the core routing data model that serves as a framework for configuring and managing a routing subsystem. It is expected that these modules will be augmented by additional YANG modules defining data models for control-plane protocols, route filters, and other functions. The core routing data model provides common building blocks for such extensions -- routes, Routing Information Bases (RIBs), and control-plane protocols. The YANG modules in this document conform to the Network Management Datastore Architecture (NMDA). This document obsoletes RFC 8022. The IETF datatracker status page for this draft is: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-netmod-rfc8022bis/ There are also htmlized versions available at: https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-netmod-rfc8022bis-06 https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-ietf-netmod-rfc8022bis-06 A diff from the previous version is available at: https://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=draft-ietf-netmod-rfc8022bis-06 Please note that it may take a couple of minutes from the time of submission until the htmlized version and diff are available at tools.ietf.org. Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP at: ftp://ftp.ietf.org/internet-drafts/ ___ netmod mailing list netmod@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/netmod ___ netmod mailing list netmod@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/netmod ___ netmod mailing list netmod@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/netmod
