Newbie wants help
Forgive me, a newbie, for asking innocent questions. I hope I also hope it makes you see how it looks to an innocent. I am running !NetSurf r5792. It has its problems, particularly overwriting, much discussed on this group, and now that that problem seems to be sorted, I though it time to download the latest version. So, I went to the NetSurf main window file:///NetSurf$Dir/Docs/welcome/index_en and went to Download Latest NetSurf getting to http://www.netsurf-browser.org/downloads/ I went to RISC OS and got to http://www.netsurf-browser.org/downloads/riscos/ I went to test builds and got http://www.netsurf-browser.org/downloads/riscos/testbuilds and I downloaded NetSurf for RISC OS 11 Feb 2009 00:30 and saved the downloaded the ZIP file into a temp directory, and unzipped it and saved the results into the same directory. Read ReadMe It says :- Installation is a three step process: 1. Use the Boot Merge facility provided by Configure to merge the supplied !Boot directory with the one on your system. If there is no !Boot merge facility on your system, simply drag the supplied !Boot over your existing boot structure. I am not sure what a !Boot merge facility looks like, so I dragged the supplied !Boot over my existing boot icon. It seemed to be saving to the existing Boot, but then I got an error message:- Error when writing ...$.!Boot.Resources.!Unicode.!Boot This item is locked to stop changes being made to it What to do? Michael Bell --
Re: Newbie wants help
On Wed, 2009-02-11 at 09:04 +, Michael Bell wrote: Installation is a three step process: 1. Use the Boot Merge facility provided by Configure to merge the supplied !Boot directory with the one on your system. If there is no !Boot merge facility on your system, simply drag the supplied !Boot over your existing boot structure. I am not sure what a !Boot merge facility looks like, so I dragged the supplied !Boot over my existing boot icon. Please read http://www.netsurf-browser.org/documentation/resinstall John.
Re: Newbie wants help - 2nd thoughts
On 11 Feb 2009 Michael Bell wrote: Maybe I should mention that I renamed my old !NetSurf to !NetSurfOld to get it out of the way, as I think I ought to. I don't know if that's relevant. That's what I do, or more accurately I rename it to !NetSurfmmdd where mmdd is the release month and date. I keep the last three releases that I download unless two are on the same day. That only happens if there's a new bug that needs to be fixed urgently. Normally you don't need to go through the !Boot merge steps - just drag the app to your NetSurf or Internet directory. If any modules get updated I'm sure the !Run file will RMEnsure the new versions so you'll soon find out. Richard -- _ |_|. _ Richard Porter http://www.minijem.plus.com/ |\_||_mailto:r...@minijem.plus.com Disclaimer: Please imagine about 50 lines of pointless clutter.
Re: Newbie wants help - 2nd thoughts
On 11 Feb 2009 Richard Porter r...@minijem.plus.com wrote: On 11 Feb 2009 Michael Bell wrote: Maybe I should mention that I renamed my old !NetSurf to !NetSurfOld to get it out of the way, as I think I ought to. I don't know if that's relevant. That's what I do, or more accurately I rename it to !NetSurfmmdd where mmdd is the release month and date. I keep the last three releases that I download unless two are on the same day. That only happens if there's a new bug that needs to be fixed urgently. There are also various scripts knocking around that automatically rename backup copies of NetSurf and then download the new version using wget. Saves a lot of work, if you're idle like me! With best wishes, Peter. -- Peter, \ / zfc Tm \ Prestbury, Cheltenham, Glos. GL52 Anne\/ ____\ England. and / / \ | | |\ | / _\ http://pnyoung.orpheusweb.co.uk family / \__/ \_/ | \| \__/ \__ pnyo...@ormail.co.uk.
Re: Newbie wants help - 2nd thoughts
In article fe15ea2b50.pnyo...@pnyoung.ormail.co.uk, Dr Peter Young pnyo...@ormail.co.uk wrote: On 11 Feb 2009 Richard Porter r...@minijem.plus.com wrote: On 11 Feb 2009 Michael Bell wrote: Maybe I should mention that I renamed my old !NetSurf to !NetSurfOld to get it out of the way, as I think I ought to. I don't know if that's relevant. That's what I do, or more accurately I rename it to !NetSurfmmdd where mmdd is the release month and date. I keep the last three releases that I download unless two are on the same day. That only happens if there's a new bug that needs to be fixed urgently. There are also various scripts knocking around that automatically rename backup copies of NetSurf and then download the new version using wget. Saves a lot of work, if you're idle like me! Sounds useful. Any links to these scripts would be appreciated. Regards, -- Chris
SUP abd SUB
I know these aren't implemented yet - but a supreme example of a page that needs them is http://jn.nutrition.org/cgi/content/abstract/125/3/466 I lookad at why words werre eliding would you believe it's filled with SUP /SUP .. what on earth is a superscript space for? -- Richard Torrens. http://www.Torrens.org.uk for genealogy, natural history, wild food, walks, cats and more!
Re: SUP abd SUB
In article 502c231f47lists-nos...@vigay.com, Paul Vigay lists-nos...@vigay.com wrote: [snip] Having said that, I don't think it's just superscript spaces that NetSurf has a problem with. I've noticed that quite often NetSurf will omit a space when it's immediately next to an HTML tag. For example, see the two lines of text under 'NetSurf oddity' at http://www.vigay.com/test/ It looks like the first space after a tag is omitted, which is possibly why the sup'space' is appearing as a blank? As I understand the rules, the problem is slightly different. A browser is required to turn all multiple white spaces into single space characters then normalise an element content by deleting any leading and trailing space. In the case of your examples the second line is rendered incorrectly - it should appear as something like - This is some textandwords initalicstyle. Assume the strong and emphasis elements. Both leading and trailing spaces in these elements are required to be removed - so Netsurf half gets it right by removeing only the trailing space. The first of your example lines is fine. What Netsurf occasionally does is encounter an element - tagxxx/tag. and throw a space in before the fullstop - which looks ridiculous if the full stop overflows the line box onto the next line! Keith -- Inspired!
Re: SUP abd SUB
On 11 Feb 2009 Keith Hopper wrote: In article 502c231f47lists-nos...@vigay.com, Paul Vigay lists-nos...@vigay.com wrote: [snip] Having said that, I don't think it's just superscript spaces that NetSurf has a problem with. I've noticed that quite often NetSurf will omit a space when it's immediately next to an HTML tag. For example, see the two lines of text under 'NetSurf oddity' at http://www.vigay.com/test/ It looks like the first space after a tag is omitted, which is possibly why the sup'space' is appearing as a blank? As I understand the rules, the problem is slightly different. A browser is required to turn all multiple white spaces into single space characters then normalise an element content by deleting any leading and trailing space. In the case of your examples the second line is rendered incorrectly - it should appear as something like - This is some textandwords initalicstyle. Assume the strong and emphasis elements. Both leading and trailing spaces in these elements are required to be removed - so Netsurf half gets it right by removeing only the trailing space. The first of your example lines is fine. What Netsurf occasionally does is encounter an element - tagxxx/tag. and throw a space in before the fullstop - which looks ridiculous if the full stop overflows the line box onto the next line! It is prone to split a word over two lines at a tag when there's no white space, which is what happened there. It treats the tag as the end or start of the word. I've noticed it quite a lot with sequences like: (tagx/tag) where the opening or closing bracket can appear on a separate line. I think I raised a bug report about it in the dim and distant past. -- _ |_|. _ Richard Porter http://www.minijem.plus.com/ |\_||_mailto:r...@minijem.plus.com Disclaimer: Please imagine about 50 lines of pointless clutter.
