Re: On line passport application

2013-01-14 Thread Gerald Dodson
> On Sun, 13 Jan 2013 23:32:14 + (GMT), Tim Hill wrote:
>
>> As usual, this seems to be a NetSurf+Javascript issue. On 'another
>> platform' with a modern browser, the page linked to from
>> passports.ips.gov.uk is
>> https://passports.ips.gov.uk/epa1r1a/Rich/Formpage.aspx and not what
>> Netsurf comes up with that you quote; it uses a javascript link. Even
>> NetSurf's partial javascript is obviously not catered for.
>
> The solution is actually to DISABLE JavaScript for it to work.
> When enabled it tries to go to
> "javascript:__doPostBack(\'ctl04\',\'\')", whatever that is supposed
> to do is clearly not supported/working in NetSurf currently.
>
> With JS disabled, NetSurf goes to the following page:
> https://passports.ips.gov.uk/epa1r1a/NoScriptRich/Formpage.aspx
> Which should work perfectly, being a non-JS version of the site.
>
> Chris

Thanks for that. I must remember to try JS off in future. The Squirrel
queried by Tim Hill is what you get with Orpheus. I have just been too
lazy to set my Iyo up with Pluto yet. As far as I know there are no
options for fonts with Squirrel- certainly no options in its choices.

Gerald





Re: On line passport application

2013-01-14 Thread Tim Hill
In article <20130114133944.gv15...@kyllikki.org>, Vincent Sanders
 wrote:
> I will open the discussion with the other developers on our UA string
> again...trouble is I agree with the principle of not lieing so this is
> a difficult issue to think about.

If it helps, anyone using Android browsers may get used to the idea of
browsers' User Agent string lying in order for the page you want (i.e.
not the mobile one) to be served. Some (e.g Dolphin) even have quite a
few choices.

[Snip]

-- 
Tim Hill
..
www.timil.com




Re: On line passport application

2013-01-14 Thread Vincent Sanders
On Sun, Jan 13, 2013 at 11:32:14PM +, Tim Hill wrote:
> In article
> <56966.82.153.33.53.1358117198.squir...@email.orpheusnet.co.uk>, Gerald
> Dodson  wrote:
> > > In message
> > > <55612.82.153.33.53.1358077313.squir...@email.orpheusnet.co .uk>
> > >   "Gerald Dodson"  wrote:
> > >
> > >> Trouble with this on the UK gov site: goes to an error 404 screen.
> > >> Has anyone had success with this?
> > >
> > > Hi Gerald
> > >
> > > Can you give the URL? I'll have a go.
> > >
> > > Chris.
> > >
> 
> 
> > It is:
> 
> > https://passports.ips.gov.uk/epa1r1a/ctl04 On Suirrel it does not show
> > distinction between lower case 'l' and number 1. The string "epa" is
> > followed by number 1r1: the 'ct' by lower case 'l'.
> 
> Perhaps you should use a better font. (What's Suirrel?)
> 
> As usual, this seems to be a NetSurf+Javascript issue. On 'another
> platform' with a modern browser, the page linked to from
> passports.ips.gov.uk is
> https://passports.ips.gov.uk/epa1r1a/Rich/Formpage.aspx and not what
> Netsurf comes up with that you quote; it uses a javascript link. Even
> NetSurf's partial javascript is obviously not catered for.

Actually the *correct* analysis is:

https://passports.ips.gov.uk/ ->302 redirect -> 
https://passports.ips.gov.uk/epa1r1a/index.html

All the links use old style javascript: URI scheme links (instead on onclick) 
calling __doPostBack();

unfortunately because out User-Agent reply is truthful and not a pack
of lies. The site is not serving any of the javascript code to provide
the actual implementation for __doPostBack

which, unsurprisingly, results in bad page navigation. 

I will open the discussion with the other developers on our UA string
again...trouble is I agree with the principle of not lieing so this is
a difficult issue to think about.



> 
> Whether you can get any further with NetSurf is not something I would
> bother to try. I long ago gave up using RISC OS for 'serious' surfing.
> Even a £28 Android tablet is more capable, unfortunately.

This is not a helpful statement, especialy not on the NetSurf users
mailing list, you are of course entitled to express your
opinion...elsewhere.

> 
> -- 
> Tim Hill
> ..

-- 
Regards Vincent
http://www.kyllikki.org/



Re: On line passport application

2013-01-13 Thread Chris Young
On Sun, 13 Jan 2013 23:32:14 + (GMT), Tim Hill wrote:

> As usual, this seems to be a NetSurf+Javascript issue. On 'another
> platform' with a modern browser, the page linked to from
> passports.ips.gov.uk is
> https://passports.ips.gov.uk/epa1r1a/Rich/Formpage.aspx and not what
> Netsurf comes up with that you quote; it uses a javascript link. Even
> NetSurf's partial javascript is obviously not catered for.

The solution is actually to DISABLE JavaScript for it to work. 
When enabled it tries to go to
"javascript:__doPostBack(\'ctl04\',\'\')", whatever that is supposed
to do is clearly not supported/working in NetSurf currently.

With JS disabled, NetSurf goes to the following page:
https://passports.ips.gov.uk/epa1r1a/NoScriptRich/Formpage.aspx
Which should work perfectly, being a non-JS version of the site.

Chris



Re: On line passport application

2013-01-13 Thread Tim Hill
In article
<56966.82.153.33.53.1358117198.squir...@email.orpheusnet.co.uk>, Gerald
Dodson  wrote:
> > In message
> > <55612.82.153.33.53.1358077313.squir...@email.orpheusnet.co .uk>
> >   "Gerald Dodson"  wrote:
> >
> >> Trouble with this on the UK gov site: goes to an error 404 screen.
> >> Has anyone had success with this?
> >
> > Hi Gerald
> >
> > Can you give the URL? I'll have a go.
> >
> > Chris.
> >


> It is:

> https://passports.ips.gov.uk/epa1r1a/ctl04 On Suirrel it does not show
> distinction between lower case 'l' and number 1. The string "epa" is
> followed by number 1r1: the 'ct' by lower case 'l'.

Perhaps you should use a better font. (What's Suirrel?)

As usual, this seems to be a NetSurf+Javascript issue. On 'another
platform' with a modern browser, the page linked to from
passports.ips.gov.uk is
https://passports.ips.gov.uk/epa1r1a/Rich/Formpage.aspx and not what
Netsurf comes up with that you quote; it uses a javascript link. Even
NetSurf's partial javascript is obviously not catered for.

Whether you can get any further with NetSurf is not something I would
bother to try. I long ago gave up using RISC OS for 'serious' surfing.
Even a £28 Android tablet is more capable, unfortunately.

-- 
Tim Hill
..
www.timil.com




Re: On line passport application

2013-01-13 Thread Gerald Dodson
> In message <55612.82.153.33.53.1358077313.squir...@email.orpheusnet.co
> .uk>
>   "Gerald Dodson"  wrote:
>
>> Trouble with this on the UK gov site: goes to an error 404 screen. Has
>> anyone had success with this?
>
> Hi Gerald
>
> Can you give the URL? I'll have a go.
>
> Chris.
>


It is:

https://passports.ips.gov.uk/epa1r1a/ctl04
On Suirrel it does not show distinction between lower case 'l' and number
1. The string "epa" is followed by number 1r1: the 'ct' by lower case 'l'.

Gerald





Re: On line passport application

2013-01-13 Thread Christopher Dewhurst
In message <55612.82.153.33.53.1358077313.squir...@email.orpheusnet.co 
.uk>
  "Gerald Dodson"  wrote:

> Trouble with this on the UK gov site: goes to an error 404 screen. Has
> anyone had success with this?

Hi Gerald

Can you give the URL? I'll have a go.

Chris.

> Gerald





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On line passport application

2013-01-13 Thread Gerald Dodson
Trouble with this on the UK gov site: goes to an error 404 screen. Has
anyone had success with this?

Gerald