nettime icannist venture capitalist joi ito meets italian squatters (Modified by Geert Lovink)
http://joi.ito.com/ 18:00 JST =BB Joi's Diary - Media and Journalism - Sharing Economy Yesterday, I had a meeting with some of the Italian Indymedia community at a squat. In most countries squatters are considered criminals and local law has very little tolerance for them. In Italy, the squat scene is the center of a lot of the sub-culture and alternative media. After years of resistance, many of the squats on property which was owned by the local government have been officially recognized by the government in various degrees. The squats have events including debates and parties. They have kitchens, living quarters, and in the case of the squat I went to last night, a computer lab (called bugs) that teaches people how to switch from Microsoft to Linux and allows free Internet access to anyone who wants to drop by. After the chat in the bugs computer room, we went to dinner at a centrosociale. It was similar to a squat in that it was also originally illegally occupied, but the place we went to was on the upscale end. The food was excellent and they had lots of posters and pamphlets describing the organic farming methods they used to grow their produce. Internet penetration in Italy is quite low and the Berlusconi media machine controls most of what people see. On the other hand, the left wing are fighting hand and fist (literally) with the right wing radicals. Free speech was something that people were fighting for, in many cases outside of the law. At a tactical level, my discussion about freedom of expression and our Infrastructure of Democracy idea of fighting bad speech with more good speech sounded a bit idealistic. What was interesting to me was the power and the energy of the alternative media movement. It reminds me of my theory on good alternative music. When there is a huge force pressing down on freedoms, sub-cultures with more creativity and power are likely to form. # distributed via nettime: no commercial use without permission # nettime is a moderated mailing list for net criticism, # collaborative text filtering and cultural politics of the nets # more info: [EMAIL PROTECTED] and info nettime-l in the msg body # archive: http://www.nettime.org contact: nettime@bbs.thing.net
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Look. That is never going to work. I mean- right now you can download all of my music for free and no one does it. Upping the price to 5 cents would mean that less zero people download my music. I would It's not supposed to work. You don't understand the business model here. Pro-free/democracy/birthright-to-kitsch-content anti-label/publisher rant provides decent income to a small number of freedom celebrities. Their ideology is simple and appeals to those who crave for consumer goods: they should get things for free because the current technology makes it so easy to be free. That's it. You didn't see these freedom fighters in phonograph record or CD days. Somehow then it was not ideologically cool or popular to have records or CDs for cheap or free. I didn't see anyone championing that cause then. So the whole thing is a temporary parasiting in revolutionary mindspace on the publishing technology gap. The reality is just nuisance in this context. end (of original message) Y-a*h*o-o (yes, they scan for this) spam follows: __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Small Business - Try our new resources site! http://smallbusiness.yahoo.com/resources/ # distributed via nettime: no commercial use without permission # nettime is a moderated mailing list for net criticism, # collaborative text filtering and cultural politics of the nets # more info: [EMAIL PROTECTED] and info nettime-l in the msg body # archive: http://www.nettime.org contact: nettime@bbs.thing.net
Re: nettime icannist venture capitalist joi ito meets italian squatters (Modified by Geert Lovink)
I thought Ricardo Dominguez wrote this like 2 years ago! On Mar 14, 2005, at 4:32 AM, Geert Lovink wrote: http://joi.ito.com/ 18:00 JST =BB Joi's Diary - Media and Journalism - Sharing Economy Yesterday, I had a meeting with some of the Italian Indymedia community ... # distributed via nettime: no commercial use without permission # nettime is a moderated mailing list for net criticism, # collaborative text filtering and cultural politics of the nets # more info: [EMAIL PROTECTED] and info nettime-l in the msg body # archive: http://www.nettime.org contact: nettime@bbs.thing.net
