Re: nettime actors wanted
Could a terrorism theme park be not far away? /jc + From a UCSD press release August 22, 2006 Operation College Freedom Hi Jordan -- While I also find this next step in the militaristic show of force on campus repugnant, those of you docked and living in SoCal (NoCal as well) might well take a bit of personal heed to the very real event statistically just over the immediate horizon (it stays an immediate possibility until it happens!) -- that of massive geo-tectonic activity. As a geophysicist, I couldn't rationalize staying in the LA basin area, working an a building on Wilshire Blvd with giant auto springs holding it up in the basement and every other week, the strange precursor rumblings that was first thought to be a herd of morbidly obese amurikans thundering down the hallway outside my office. If you thought that Katrina was a big deal, or 911, or the Iraq War for that matter, you will be overwhelmed by the potential of large-scale tectonics. Doubtful that even numerous DHS practices will help much of anything except for the military itself, but you might consider making a locative project out of the idea of hiking east out of the heavily populated costal areas assuming that all elevated roads will be collapsed, and that you will have to carry all your water, food, and weapons to stay in possession of both, with you -- at least as far as the Arizona border. It won't be a theme park, it'll be REAL LIFE! Cheers John # distributed via nettime: no commercial use without permission # nettime is a moderated mailing list for net criticism, # collaborative text filtering and cultural politics of the nets # more info: [EMAIL PROTECTED] and info nettime-l in the msg body # archive: http://www.nettime.org contact: nettime@bbs.thing.net
Re: nettime IDF reading Deleuze and Guattari (and Debord)
There is a need to build a new old language of critique, not simply rely upon the recycled reactions of a strain of the left from '68. Bravo Daniel for stating that up front and clearly!! To use Debord might be an oversimplification of his work, just as it is to use D+G. But we must ask, what is in these works that makes them so open to this use? I think a more general class of question might be: How is it that a relatively obscure set of texts become so Popular and are now used to explain everything? And: Who is next to be completely discredited; Who is next to be raised from the historical mausoleum of textual re-presentation and re-duction to be exclusively followed? Or who(se writings) will next be warped and twisted to fit the contingencies of those in power. Just wait and see! Not to degrade the ideas arising from that period or any other period -- but they are only one way of looking at the world -- I wonder what the landscape of nettime (or of academia) would look like if historical quotations could not be invoked -- that instead first-hand observation was the primary pathway to a world-view. Personally, I got tired of using other people's models for the world, and prefer constructing my own internally (and externally) consistent view. Of course, perusing an elegant and inspiring model from someone else is a nice thing, but should discourse be so often couched in terms and images that dead white guys thought up? I recall using DeBord back in the mid 80's (as a critique of post-modernist-obsessed academic thinking and as a suggested pathway for an engaged critical praxis), but being completely rebuffed by claims that his writings were irrelevant. So much for PC amurikan academia... Unfortunately, these theories of the French radical mafia have now become synonymous with critical theory in general, as the IDF has Just as the writings/writers who gave rise to the PoMo view of the world were discussed ad infinitum, ad nauseum between 1980 - 2000, now it's DG from 1990 - 20xx along with the Situationists from 1995 - 20xx. It's great to adopt more accurate models than the one that one is presently following, or models that more accurately circumscribe the momentary contingencies of presence in a particular socio-political milieu, or to actively adjust existing models to fit the moment, but reliance on any one model as the flux of history passes seems problematic. It's too easy. AND, when the next critical step is taken, the step from reading to acting, to a lived praxis, what happens when the book can't be found, when there's no time to read, when life is in-your-face, or the chapter hasn't been written to aid in coping with TODAY? What then? When one is faced with constructing ones own model, THEN one has to be critical of ANY social input at the same time as rebuilding (and being confident in) atrophied internal sensibilities and comprehensions of the world 'out there.' It's a nice unstable, dynamic, and active position to be in, rather than nodding in agreement with those old texts. It brings one to the front of living, where decisions must be made based on what is happening in the moment, not on what one was told to do in school... okay, cheers, John PS - and one might well ask the question of older bits of wisdom -- how is it that they stick around -- hegemonic academia, rigid theoretical application? or functionality? (Sun Tzu has probably saved more readers' arses than DG so far...) ;-)) PPS -- and when, historically, was war anything else but the ego play of the leader of the offensive war machine? # distributed via nettime: no commercial use without permission # nettime is a moderated mailing list for net criticism, # collaborative text filtering and cultural politics of the nets # more info: [EMAIL PROTECTED] and info nettime-l in the msg body # archive: http://www.nettime.org contact: nettime@bbs.thing.net
Re: nettime report_on_NNA
Not directly but in any community/collective I know if someone 'stands up in a meeting' and makes a suggestion involving work then such an intervention carries with it the implication (and perhaps responsibility) that they are also willing to share in that work. Otherwise the intervention could be mistaken for being somewhat aristocratic. Weeel, c'mon, he's chiming in with what seems to be a good idea, but good to do some arm-twisting before he gets too deep into academia ;-)) I am of the same opinion, and probably cannot join in on the task as I have other facilitation tasks already. BUT, see below -- it's hard to say yes OR no without a clear description of the job! The examples you gave of larger networks of moderation implies that having been part of the early phase need not preclude being part of the new rotation in fact a blend of experience and new blood might enrich any new model under consideration. excellent suggestion David, and with steady rotation and an experience-base to further stabilize things maybe nettime continues, or maybe not. a decade is a long time in this biz. change can also mean death. In this Light, I would challenge Felix and Ted (and any others feeling qualified) to write a brief task description of the (different) roles/positions necessary to run nettime as it is today. Put it out here. I certainly have some interest, but would need to know the scalability and absolute size of what tasks are necessary, and how they are (technically and socially) accomplished... Cheers John # distributed via nettime: no commercial use without permission # nettime is a moderated mailing list for net criticism, # collaborative text filtering and cultural politics of the nets # more info: [EMAIL PROTECTED] and info nettime-l in the msg body # archive: http://www.nettime.org contact: nettime@bbs.thing.net
Re: nettime report_on_NNA
Thanks Tobias for the report -- I was a bit dismayed to receive the email announcing the stream too late to tune in, as I had wanted to. Although many of the issues definitely hit home, I guess I have found that nettime front-channel is what it is. I rely on it for noisy and occasionally brilliant topical and opinion bursts along with subjective viewpoints about this messy space of networks, media, and criticality. It rarely addresses praxis which I find problematic, and rarely applies principles to its own space of action, so, in that respect I see it as another channel of academic discourse -- more about Word and less about Action (note how many early nettimers have sought shelter in academia since 1996 from the more radical fields of cultural/media activism). I use it primarily as a stimulus for backchannel 1-to-1 interactions that are personally more satisfying and more energizing. Anyway, as an 'oldtimer', I realized that I have a pretty much complete Eudora archive of nettime back to January 1997 (prior to that the archive vanished into ELM heaven). It is interesting to sort on Sender and see what/who shows up. I thought to write a script of sorts to make a table for easier analysis, but haven't the brain power for that -- I would challenge somebody out there (preferably not a moderator!) to either be allowed access to a digital copy of the full online nettime archive to massage the data to provide this info -- or if possible, give me some input on how I can do that myself relatively easily. (It could also perhaps be instructive to compare my received-mail archive to the 'official one!) Cheers John # distributed via nettime: no commercial use without permission # nettime is a moderated mailing list for net criticism, # collaborative text filtering and cultural politics of the nets # more info: [EMAIL PROTECTED] and info nettime-l in the msg body # archive: http://www.nettime.org contact: nettime@bbs.thing.net
Re: nettime report_on_NNA
Let's say for the sake of argument that nettime is actually run by Satan himself. Do his motives matter? For most subscribers' purposes I think the answer is probably no. The very worst I could do is a pale shadow by comparison with him, so it seems like my motives would be that much less noteworthy. As for the rest, it's best to let straw men rest. This is of course, an issue -- facilitating a space for creative encounters among others is a control issue no matter where you set the slider-tab on the range from NO CONTROL (one devil) to TOTAL CONTROL (another devil). It is subjective, delicate, and always open to conflict-of-interest criticism. Ideally, such facilitation should provide a discursive space that is not too large to be difusive, and not too small to disallow experimentation. A moderator has to decide this range based on the full range of posts, and select a range where he/she believes to be reasonable (to whom?). Impossible mission. In terms of possible solutions to help nettime make the next evolutionary step, while retaining the format of list (vs blog, etc) what about, for example, that moderators not be allowed to post except back channel to individual subscribers -- this would eliminate instantly the very real conflict between moderation and opinion which has generated more noise than necessary (and more noise than signal on several occasions). Moderators should have a public email address (public to subscribers) for back channel communications, and that communications content should be placed on an archive server. Easy technical solutions. I can't imagine that you can say Geert has had nothing to do with nettime for 8 years. That's total bullshit. And not that I always have the time to read his prodigious posts nor do I frequently even agree with his ideas -- anyone who reads, lurks, posts, subscribes is as much a participant as any other. If you understand networks, I don't understand how you can make such a statement. You are not acting as a moderator when you say something like that. You shouldn't be a moderator if you think things like that. As someone who has admined my share of lists over the years, it seems that nettime has had the worst time with the relation between moderation or lack thereof. In spite of this there has been a decent flow of interesting ideas. For that I am thankful. And I respect the work of adminning and moderation (and the dedication of Felix and Ted and the others who do this kind of facilitation), but maybe it's time to look for new moderators, or have a rotating moderation structure. Ted, you sound as though you are burning out, and that's no position to be in when attempting this kind of facilitation... Facilitation is not about carrying crosses. Cheers JOhn # distributed via nettime: no commercial use without permission # nettime is a moderated mailing list for net criticism, # collaborative text filtering and cultural politics of the nets # more info: [EMAIL PROTECTED] and info nettime-l in the msg body # archive: http://www.nettime.org contact: nettime@bbs.thing.net
Re: nettime call to nettime moderators to change email address/systems [u]
Hello Felix -- Nettime gets about 1000 spam messages per day. About 95% of this is filtered out automatically by SpamAssassin, installed on bbs.thing.net and configured by nettime, the rest slips through and is deleted manually. Having worked with SpamAssassin for some years, I can't believe that it tagged the following text, so perhaps this discussion should focus on a greater care taken by the human filters. It IS a big responsibility, not just a gate-keeping role. Of course it in understandable that things slip through and the whole nettime community should be aware of this possibility and raise the issue publicly if their posting does not make it to the list. That's their responsibility. There is also the greater issue which I am finding lately -- speaking personally, I have 4 email addresses -- 2 academic and 2 commercially hosted. One academic one gets upward of 500 spams a day (and the university (of Art Design Helsinki) refuses to have any spam-management implemented!!), the other has been bouncing xchange list material sometimes and perhaps other things lately. One of the commercial ones, hosting my neoscenes.net seems to pop up on spam blacklists sometimes, or the domain can't be found, and other times bounces incoming mail from random individuals. The other dot.com lost all my spam filter info last month, and seems to also go down randomly. I have always thought I could manage this particular kind of remote presence, as it is a critical extension of my work, but it doesn't seem possible. Is it related to some kind of global infrastructure weaknesses showing up on a large scale, or just a personal lack of energy to organize things perfectly? I guess that's not an unusual situation for well-publicized email accounts. Occasionally, we teak the filters, when too much spam is coming through, or when we realize that legitimate email is being filtered out. Of course, this is difficult to see as spam is deleted right away, so we usually react only to complaints, like Geert's. This same thing happened to me this week on nettime, where I had forwarded an article from the iDC list. I repost it again following: ++ Forwarded from the iDC list -- I thought it might bring back memories of the discussions around the California Ideology at the beginning of the nettime list... Cheers John Hi iDC list, The LA Weekly article reproduced below links new media with Hollywood, business models and education. It ties in to some extent with what Anna, Ryan and Jon have been discussing. ... [remainder of the message removed @ nettime to avoid douplication. Original posting: http://www.nettime.org/Lists-Archives/nettime-l-0510/msg00048.html] # distributed via nettime: no commercial use without permission # nettime is a moderated mailing list for net criticism, # collaborative text filtering and cultural politics of the nets # more info: [EMAIL PROTECTED] and info nettime-l in the msg body # archive: http://www.nettime.org contact: nettime@bbs.thing.net
nettime Fwd: [iDC] interesting article on new media scene in LA
Forwarded from the iDC list -- I thought it might bring back memories of the discussions around the California Ideology at the beginning of the nettime list... Cheers John + ++ Hi iDC list, The LA Weekly article reproduced below links new media with Hollywood, business models and education. It ties in to some extent with what Anna, Ryan and Jon have been discussing. Here's the link to the article itself: http://www.laweekly.com/ink/printme.php?eid=69403 I find the current unproblematized adoption and valorization of the business-model model very disturbing--and it's present not only in new media circles but also in the theorizing of relational aesthetics as in MFA programs. This business-model discourse has a history too--see Allan Kaprow's Should the Artist be a Man of the World as well as his Education of the Un-Artist--and I worry that with the piecemeal dismissal of history the nuances--historical, ethical, aesthetic--of its implications may get lost. Certainly that's what's happened in Bourriaud. But then again maybe critical vanguardism is hopelessly retardataire. -Judith - - Digital Universe With L.A. at its center by HOLLY WILLIS I'm going to put the phone down now â just hang on. Media artist Michael Naimark was at LAX one morning a few weeks ago, on his way to the Banff Centre's Refresh Conference on histories of new-media art. Another artist, Simon Penny from UCI, was up ahead, also on his way to the conference, and UCLA's Erkki Huhtamo, a new-media theorist, wasn't far behind. Not wanting to lose our connection, Naimark put the phone into one of those gray plastic containers and pushed it toward the X-ray machine. On my end of the call, the sounds of the airport grew muffled, and then everything got quiet. I held my breath as the phone moved along the conveyor belt. In spite of sitting in my sunny office, I looked around, poised for â what? A bright light maybe? But there was nothing, just a soft whooshing noise and the faint hum of distant voices. I hovered through another minute of stillness, suspended somewhere between downtown and the airport, waiting for Naimark to re-appear. At once mundane and mind-blowing, my cell-phone journey through the airport X-ray machine echoes a host of similarly strange moments of technologized disembodiment and networked connection (and disconnection) that make up daily life today. How to visualize the places we go online, for example, or to imagine the invisible crisscrossing lines of static that link cell phone to cell phone? And Naimark, along with Penny, Huhtamo and about 100 other Southern California artists, theorists and curators, are at the forefront of a media-art movement destined to help it all make sense. Indeed, Southern California has become the unrivaled international hub of new-media art, design and theory. One of the original design-team members for the MIT Media Lab in 1980 and creator of several amazing interactive installations, including the celebrated 360-degree piece Be Now Here (1995â2000), featuring panoramic views of four cities, Naimark moved here a year ago to take a faculty position in the Interactive Media Division of the USC School of Cinema-Television. Huhtamo arrived from Finland six years ago and now teaches in the Department of Design | Media Arts at UCLA, and Penny, originally from Australia, heads UC Irvine's Art Computation and Engineering graduate program. Other relatively new Southern California residents include media artists Perry Hoberman, Jordan Crandall, Marie Sester and Michael Lew. And we can tout a list of top scholars, too: UCLA's N. Katherine Hayles, who has written about how we became posthuman; USC's Marsha Kinder, who heads the Labyrinth Project, dedicated to experimenting with interactive narrative; UC San Diego's Lev Manovich, who wrote The Language of New Media; Art Center's Peter Lunenfeld, founder of Mediawork, a consortium of new-media thinkers and artists, and creator of terms like digital dialectic and technoVolksgeist in several books on new media; and Brenda Laurel, who wrote the fundamental text Computers as Theatre. The various programs in media art at local universities have expanded exponentially over the last five years, and they continue to grow, each taking on different areas of focus. CalArts' ViralNet and USC's Vectors, online journals that address media art and alternative scholarship, were launched last year. UCI's Beall Center for Art + Technology, a gallery space devoted to new-media art, was founded in 2000, and L.A. Freewaves, a biennial festival of video and new media, is currently building an extensive online archive and new-media resource to help create a focal point for the international exchange of media art and ideas. Art Center's Alyce de Roulet Williamson Gallery continues to showcase media art â over the summer, it
Re: nettime More new orleans
Hallo nettimers -- I thought to remind you of Jacob Holdt, the Danish citizen who traveled in the US, making informal snapshots of the people -- mostly impoverished Southerners -- that he met back in the 70's. While I believe much of the photojournalism from Katrina is simply more of the same media exploitation-and-crucifiction for the benefit of the consumer, you will see in it traces of the same intense poverty that Holdt confronted in his movements. He worked with an instamatic camera and still tours with a powerful and personal slide show under the title American Pictures -- http://www.american-pictures.com/ I happened to see Holdt's live presentation about 22 years ago in a small community center in Santa Monica, California. The intensity of his work, and how it reveals the soft underbelly of the Beast confirmed my own experiences when I was working as a roughneck on an oil rig in the Gulf of Mexico, based out of the Mississippi delta town of Houma. So it goes... John # distributed via nettime: no commercial use without permission # nettime is a moderated mailing list for net criticism, # collaborative text filtering and cultural politics of the nets # more info: [EMAIL PROTECTED] and info nettime-l in the msg body # archive: http://www.nettime.org contact: nettime@bbs.thing.net
Re: nettime Re: Signals, Statistics Social Experiments
Having gone through that entire process though, I think Ayreen and I experienced/learned something quite specific, which was that as long as this sort of jamming happens to an outside force, things are, at least within the art context, all ok, but turned inside out, blurred, and when the art context itself is implicated within a certain matrix, the reaction against such a thing can be quite fierce and un-accepting snip... The thing is, there is no outside - we're stuck with the institutions and their digestive capacities, all around me I see the activist-artists going in and out of the institutions, like I do, like you do. What's more, I think it's necessary, because if there is no contentious presence of discord within the various kinds of mediating institutions (not only art) then the power blocs will become even more violent and ugly, as they already have. The question is, how to play the controversies out in public, how to resolve them? Where resolve means that new compromises are hammered out after struggle. With no guarantees. I think back to the art against Reagan years, and stuff like Piss Christ and other awful Serrano pieces which I never saw the use in; and I wonder whether I missed the point, or whether it really was an awful failure. In which case I am even more nervous about what people like us are doing right now. Speaking of the Reagan years, something popped up in my mind while both immersed in the hypocrisy of that period and retrospecting on its relative innocence compared to our present time. It would seem that art which comments or engages the currents of the present regime of collective reality, there is the extreme and subtle risk that the work is, by definition, REACTIONARY. The mechanism of reaction inexeorably links the artist to the original social situation in a dangerous symbiosis. For example, very often artists in the 80's would exhibit a knee-jerk reaction -- Reagan would make some tremendous and offensive gaff, the artists would, as a cluster, in the same manner that cameras cluster-click at a press conference the moment there is any kind of physical gesture, make some art about the event. By definition, reactionary. This symbiosis might explain the paradigm of the constant appropriation of oppositional strategy. Versus the impossibility of an existing social milieu to absorb revolution without deep change. Apropos of I can't remember what, Geert Lovink said: Free expression? That's Theo van Gogh: a brilliant artist who called Muslims goat-fuckers in every third sentence of his films. Is that what we want? But now it's too late for Dutch people or anyone else to ask whether we want it or not, because van Gogh is dead and there's a situation of extreme tension and violence, with no chance left for any resolution through the mediation of aesthetics, not any time soon at least. This is where the distance between reaction and revolution might point to some possible solutions. The revolutionary path is not rooted in reaction, but in generating a personally relevant pathway (that perhaps remedies or eases a critical situation) and simply move onto that pathway as a praxis (life-practice) which stands as a lived example of a possible alternate pathway for others. (walk the walk vs talk the talk) Brilliance in art (as a both individually and collectively subjective value) may or may not have anything to do with this reaction/revolution dialectic. But it is clear that confrontational conduct often has clear outcomes, and artists using confrontation risk the gross effect of escalation or the equally problematic effect of, through confrontation, propping up that which they would seek to destroy or discredit. The Cold War is an interesting example of that reactionary/polarity-generating effect and the widely understood structurally symbiotic relation between the two Cold War states. The US seems to need an Evil Other to locate its own identity as the Godly Self. The War on Drugs which immediately followed the Cold War had so much of the same rhetoric as the Cold War and the subsequent War on Terror. The same effect might well be developing internally in the US now -- to unforseen consequence. In the previous Reagan example, one thing that seemed to happen was that everytime somebody did art about Reagan that Reagan as a concept and political entity, became more powerful. And that each players location became clear, defined, and definite. (Moving life into a simulation or static reduction of being) versus (life being indeterminate, unclear, dynamic). Dwelling in reaction is a fundamentally impoverished pathway that lowers the overall value of creative living. (of course, one can also use as example the operational policies of the Palestinian/Israeli confrontation where both sides explore violently creative solutions which are deeply rooted in reaction-on-reaction, while those who seek to make pathways between the
Re: nettime Notes on the Politics of Software Culture
This is great openning for discussion for both N5M and AE participants who deal with this topic as thay share some commonalities but tend to take further more political (N5M) or economical ...snip websites...avoiding to dig deeper into the messy and fuzzy work of geeks and nerds who lack sence of selfpromotion. Few projects like CCC¥s Blinkenlights manage to get the idea of creative use of IT across, but still somehow miss on being a subject of new media theorists/critics. How can this situation be changed or inverted? Can computer/media art community stop being self-referential and emerge itself in the already established IT community/media platforms, rather than being ecstatic (with years of delay) with phenomenas like open source, p2p, wirelles? Hej Zeljko There are always, thank god, significant activities that don't make the (Mac)spotLight -- don't forget that by actual choice, or by the simple human idiosyncracy of individuals who don't run along with the highly socialized trends of the culture spectacle (of which all the organs you mentioned are really collected -- some more conscious than others) -- there are many people who will never surface in the PR realm. Like one of the concepts around the TAZ, avoid that surficial social visibility (because the western culture is fundamentally obsessed with surfaces and objects (materialism) -- being in its view, under observation, literally, will CHANGE THE OUTCOME OF THAT WHICH IS OBSERVED!) Basic quantum. Why not create movements (experiments) on the premise that they run without that intervention, so, out of that Sight. With only the lively participants engaged with each other. Always, the most humane-ly productive critical engagement occurs at the granular level of human-to-human, regardless of the surrounding social flow (festival or at home in a bar or at academic conference or bunkered down in the squat). Many of the 'trends' that are happening 'now' like wi-fi, etc are re-deployments of the rising Surveillance Society anyway. Capturing the surfaces that it is so attracted to -- meanwhile, lives go on, deeper than that surface view can ever deconvolve. Maybe it's better to not invert an old, tired equation, but to simply make a new descriptive system, a new way. Cheers John -- -~ tech-no-mad : hypnostatic domain: http://neoscenes.net mobile: +1 303 859 0689 email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] # distributed via nettime: no commercial use without permission # nettime is a moderated mailing list for net criticism, # collaborative text filtering and cultural politics of the nets # more info: [EMAIL PROTECTED] and info nettime-l in the msg body # archive: http://www.nettime.org contact: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
nettime Iceland info
a side battle of globalization... This may seem on the 'fringe' literally and figuratively, but for obvious reasons, on the scale of the damming of the Colorado River which destroyed entire riparian environments in the west of the US -- now there are plans for an enormous hydro plant in the east Highlands of Iceland which will destroy a huge piece of untouched arctic wetland. ALCOA is the major factor, along with the greed and naivete of some Icelanders. The deal is not just to construct a large dam in an unspoiled and incredibly fragile site, but to generate electricity cheaply (completely subsidized by the Icelandic government) that is then sold to ALCOA for their planned aluminum smelter right down the road on a pristine fjord (who's micro-climate often concentrates and stills the air, causing miserable pollution). There is already exisitng another aluminum smelter near Reykjavik that puts out an atmospheric slick of piss-yellow air that does tend to blow away because the factory is located on an exposed peninsula. (quoting an english language news source in Reykjavik) Power-Plant Protestor Arrested A large crowd of people gathered outside the House of Parliament yesterday to protest against the K·rahnjukar power plant (east Iceland). A man who threw a snowball at the House of Parliament was arrested by police, which angered the other protestors. A shower of snowballs then rained down on the House of Parliament, but police decided not to interfere further. Protestors remained outside Parliament most of the day, shouting words of protest and demanding a national vote on the matter.(unquote) followed by this, which underscores the game: (quote) German company RAG Trading GmbH are currently discussing with the Icelandic Investment Board the possibility of raising an electrode factory in Iceland. The Board have been asked to help in making an environmental survey on the effects of a 340-tonne factory in Hvalfjrdur fjord (whale fjord), southwest Iceland. The factory would be a 20 billion krÛnur investment for the German company and would create around 140 jobs. To produce one tonne of aluminium, half a tonne of electrodes are needed, and therefore producing electrodes in Iceland could be very economical for the Alcoa factory in their plans to build an aluminium plant in the East Fjords. (unquote) People are being stripped of power at such a rate these days -- we must regain the power of intimate and changeable co-relation with each other to offset relations stylized by crippled social heirarchies bent on dominating the world! so it goes... jh # distributed via nettime: no commercial use without permission # nettime is a moderated mailing list for net criticism, # collaborative text filtering and cultural politics of the nets # more info: [EMAIL PROTECTED] and info nettime-l in the msg body # archive: http://www.nettime.org contact: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
