RE: nettime cartoons? come on.
I don't know the Algiers but I know that Napoleon, during his Egypt campaign, disseminated among Arabs a rumor about him being a secret convert to Islam, just to make things a little easier for his army. But meanwhile at home for French audience Josephine was commissioning orientalist paintings that depicts Arabs in inhumane conditions benefiting from Napoleon's divine benevolence. I think the colonizers of today are pretty much stuck with one global audience that they can not play the same propaganda tricks and the cartoon crisis is a good example of that. But the most curious thing is the fact that besides all these free flow of news, the audience at home is still ready to affirm the paintings/cartoons of Josephine with the same kind of zeal: http://www.wga.hu/art/g/gros/3jaffa.jpg Ayhan Aytes -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Heiko Recktenwald Sent: Sunday, February 19, 2006 4:37 AM To: nettime Subject: Re: nettime cartoons? come on. What matters most is inhowfar there is one common will expressed in the Muslim world. Massacres in Nigeria, Riots in Lybia, is this all the same? Is this the other side of the war on terror? ... # distributed via nettime: no commercial use without permission # nettime is a moderated mailing list for net criticism, # collaborative text filtering and cultural politics of the nets # more info: [EMAIL PROTECTED] and info nettime-l in the msg body # archive: http://www.nettime.org contact: nettime@bbs.thing.net
nettime cartoons? come on.
Is this conversation _STILL_ revolving around the inane, ahistorical, simplified meme that this protest wave is actually about free expression / religious respect? OMFG. You'd think from the posts on this thread so far that there was no war and occupation in the region. No permanent military bases. No torture, extrajudicial killings, death squads. No settler state. No military targeting journalists. and on and on and on. Can we please shift the conversation from the back and forth of the rights regime (free speech! freedom of religion! World Leaders Agreed it's Universal!) to the reality of empire, war, and occupation that is the real fuel for the so-called 'cartoon protests.' schock # distributed via nettime: no commercial use without permission # nettime is a moderated mailing list for net criticism, # collaborative text filtering and cultural politics of the nets # more info: [EMAIL PROTECTED] and info nettime-l in the msg body # archive: http://www.nettime.org contact: nettime@bbs.thing.net
Re: nettime cartoons? come on.
Am Samstag, 18. Februar 2006 um 21:50:45 Uhr (-0800) schrieb Sasha Costanza-Chock: Can we please shift the conversation from the back and forth of the rights regime (free speech! freedom of religion! World Leaders Agreed it's Universal!) to the reality of empire, war, and occupation that is the real fuel for the so-called 'cartoon protests.' It is not the real fuel. The fuel are Middle Eastern regimes that choreographed and coordinated those protests. They were perfect to get their people in line and create an outlet for their political frustration that wouldn't endanger the regimes and the violent suppression of free speech and political freedom in those countries. Besides, Middle Eastern politics cannot be reduced to a simple black-vs.-white, good-vs.-evil scheme with one evil empire pulling the strings. (Isn't it remarkable how Negri/Hardt use a concept coined by Star Wars and Ronald Reagan?) Conspiciously absent from this debate, for example, are the Iranian threats to Israel and the Holocaust revisionist conference taking place there - only because people in Israel or Western countries don't mass-protest against that, and aren't burning down Iranian embassies? Don't let yourself manipulate by propaganda and intelligence work. It is impossible to burn down an embassy without the local government at (the very) least tolerating it. -F -- http://cramer.plaintext.cc:70 gopher://cramer.plaintext.cc # distributed via nettime: no commercial use without permission # nettime is a moderated mailing list for net criticism, # collaborative text filtering and cultural politics of the nets # more info: [EMAIL PROTECTED] and info nettime-l in the msg body # archive: http://www.nettime.org contact: nettime@bbs.thing.net
