Re: nettime subjective math.

2012-09-11 Thread brian carroll



 Hello Mark,

 Thanks for your suggestions. I read the last chapter of
 Boole's Laws of Thought, Constitution of the Intellect
 and it was very worthwhile in ways that are beyond
 words. It also provides a next step for interpretation
 in connecting logic with ordering, which is essential,
 if not how ungrounded reasoning may relate to chaos.

 My particular problem is with reading itself, for it is easy
 to consider ideas, yet to get to the ideas can take lots of
 effort which is the inherent inefficiency. For this reason
 I much prefer communicating with people about the ideas
 (living ideas) versus in books, in their archived versions.

 Reading books or long texts on a computer screen
 must be a form of monastic punishment, I figure. It is
 likely strange that an adequate e-reader for such media
 is non-existent for 'ideas' beyond Penguin classics format.
 Meaning large format front-lit e-ink display for PDF texts.

 I have read Understanding Media and another text-image
 work (on hot and cool media) by Marshall McLuhan, yet
 never made it into the Gutenberg Galaxy or another work
 about the alphabet. Recently some tarot or cards were
 seen online of his and the metaphysics seemed wobbly
 so it made me uneasy about further investigation. Yet
 the ideas are of interest, it is just getting through texts
 which is tremendously challenging given the format.

 Thus it would be wonderful to communicate about the
 Trivium and if I find a workable way to approach it and
 can access the ideas, then will go that route, though it
 would be much preferred to communicate about the
 ideas themselves firstly and I hope that future exists.
 My faith in books has been lessened a great deal by
 issues of logic and I have found it difficult to read the
 book as a format, except perhaps for sampling text
 due to the conflicted context in which ideas reside.
 This could be true of all reading and writing yet for
 books it could involve a higher degree of challenge
 to access what is communicated in some instances.
 Perhaps this is heretical in terms of scholarship yet
 I am more a talker/debater/thinker, into discussing
 ideas, direct communications, writing not the ideal.

 To give a sense of the difference perhaps in vantage,
 today it seems a text is given some stature as if it is
 watching a movie, as per McLuhan if not inverted.
 For instance, if a book was presented on a projector
 screen to an audience in a room and automatically
 placed on a slow scroll setting via remote control,
 people could 'collectively read' or group read the
 text, and in a sense this is what occurs in English
 classes in gradeschool highschool and college, in
 that there is an assignment that most read and then
 discuss. And so this would be the passing of time,
 what is read, and yet in real-time in this example.

 Given enough reverence, a certain interpretation
 could become fixed about a text, ideological even,
 about answered questions in a particular viewpoint
 or framework, such that the book is an interface for
 the ideas it contains and can be accessed/utilized.
 Harnessing the book, its content, as a mechanism.
 Yet what if some of this was ungrounded, an issue
 of enculturation by being partly ungrounded- such
 that it is about formation of beliefs, indoctrination.
 With the important detail that it could be false or
 propagate other problems through such a view.

 So perhaps in this way, an accepted reading
 could eventually function as if a movie, the text
 scrolling by and the group reading along, and
 while there may be dissection of the ideas and
 understanding of the symbolism, more could be
 at work in the interaction that is being interfaced.
 Special effects may not be noticed, unconscious
 behavioral influences, perhaps a type of compact
 between reader and writer, an exchange that is
 not fully accounted for, which to access the ideas
 also means accessing its larger mechanism, the
 dynamics that allow it to function within society.

 In English class this book could be broken down
 then into its concepts even, and like a movie plot
 passing by at a heightened perceptual pace, it is
 just enough to keep up with it, to stay abreast of
 the story, to allow the plot to continue at this pace.
 If someone in the audience suddenly shouted out
 the word 'false!' at some statement, the scrolling of
 the text would stop and call into question the plot.

 And many times these moments create other books
 that reference divergences or counterpoints to the
 POVs of various viewpoints and textual perspectives.
 In that there is a forking of interpretation that exists,
 in the universe of books, as books reference one
 another yet also are generated by disagreements
 along lines of fracture, where assumptions are no
 longer shared. And so a new view fills everyone in
 to another potential interpretation in a given context.

 So perhaps philosophy fits this model more than
 others because of schools of thought and additive
 or 

Re: nettime subjective math.

2012-09-11 Thread Newmedia
Brian:
 
Your ruminations about the problems with the book are very  important.  
Most of human history has been conducted through discussions  and conflicts 
that cannot be put into books.
 
A culture that is locked into books is a very ODD one indeed.  This  is 
the topic of McLuhan's !962 Gutenberg Galaxy, which you skipped but might now 
 enjoy.  
 
The West, under the environmental dominance of books, has been a very  
strange place indeed.
 
McLuhan's interest in ELECTRIC technology -- telegraph, telephone,  radio, 
motion pictures, etc. -- was precisely because this new technological  
environment *undermined* the effects of the BOOK.
 
The *book* that has, of course, had the greatest effect (as a book) on our  
culture is the last book of the Bible, the Revelations of St. John 
(otherwise  known as the Apocalypse.)
 
Speculations about the END OF THE WORLD (and the underlying conviction that 
 the world we have *must* come to an end because it is so terrible and so 
evil)  are the basis of much of the modern Western world for the past 400 
years.  
 
And, it is the basis of most political radicalism, as expressed on  
nettime and elsewhere.  None of this end-of-the-world thinking would be  
possible 
with the book.
 
Communism is, afterall, just another version of the Millennium (after the 
 Armageddon of class warfare) as promised by John.  And, it's the same  
BOOK-based utopian thinking that gave us modern Capitalism.
 
Two sides of the same coin.  Like the TWO PARTY political  system.  LEFT 
and RIGHT.
 
Often things that appear to be opposites are really the same because they 
 are built on the same premises.   Even though they may be vehemently  
opposed and prepared to fight with great passion, they are really just the 
YIN 
 and the YANG of the same underlying and agreed upon beliefs. 

You can  think of this as the universe balancing things out.  In Gestalt  
psychological terms, these are two major figures that share a common 
ground.  Two sides of the same coin -- hard to see them both at once and 
yet 
you know  that heads and tails couldn't exist one without the other. 
 
If you haven't read it, then Western civilization over the past 400 years  
won't make much sense without Revelations.  And, maybe even if you have,  
it still doesn't. 

When the NYTimes ran its lead story on the Royal  Society of London in last 
week's Science Times, A Redoubt of Learning Holds  Firm: The Royal 
Society, crucible of the scientific revolution that formed the  modern world, 
strives to stay relevant, they went out of their way to note  that: 

Newton, Christopher Wren, Robert Boyle and many more came  together in a 
spirit of revolutionary if at times eccentric inquiry.  Magic  and alchemy 
greatly fascinated the society's founders . . . During that  intoxicating 
century, nearly everything holy, from royal rank to economics to  science to 
the 
immortality of the soul, was challenged . . . Though  rationalists, these 
scientists viewed God as central to their universe and their  work.  As 
Edward Dolnick, author of 'The Clockwork Universe' [the image  picked by the 
Times to fill the page above the story is of clockwork-like  telescope gearing] 
, an entertaining history of the early society [if you'd like  to read an 
even more entertaining history, go to Neal Stephenson's 'The System  of the 
World,' the final piece of his three-part Baroque Cycle], noted, the  founders 
viewed the laws of nature and of God as inseparable.  They were  mapping 
this universe . . . And there was that question of magic.  Society  members 
lived in a time shadowed by apocalyptic dread, from plague to fire to  war.  
They were fascinated by alchemy, unicorns' horns and magic salves,  and they 
often experimented on themselves. 

_http://www.nytimes.com/2012/09/04/science/royal-society-holds-firm-amid-pol
itical-challenges-to-science.html?_r=1pagewanted=all_ 
(http://www.nytimes.com/2012/09/04/science/royal-society-holds-firm-amid-political-challenges-to-
science.html?_r=1pagewanted=all)  
 
Our own times (driven as it is by today's Tea Party libertarians who are  
the flipside of the same individualist coin as the Occupy Wall 
Streeters), are  likewise shadowed by the revolutionary upheavals of the 
1960s. 
How different  is this from the 1660s? 

We are still experimenting on ourselves.   LSD is (personal) alchemy and 
a magic salve.  Global warming is the  plague and the fire.  Vietnam was 
the war. 

But, now we have  CYBERTERRORISM (driven the new yellow peril who can't 
be creative so they must  steal our intellectual property)!! 

History is funny that way.  Even if you *do* understand it,  you are likely 
doomed to repeat it. g
 
Mark Stahlman
Brooklyn NY
 
 
In a message dated 9/9/2012 5:58:15 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,  
nulltang...@gmail.com writes:


Hello Mark,

Thanks for your suggestions. I  read the last chapter of
Boole's Laws of Thought, Constitution of  the Intellect
and it was very worthwhile in 

Re: nettime subjective math.

2012-09-11 Thread brian carroll



Michael H Goldhaber wrote:

How does your approach relate to or differ from Lotfi Zadeh's  
fuzzy logic?



 Hello Michael, thanks for your interesting question.

 I had not heard of Lotfi Zadeh because my path into logic
 was through individual explorations with the alphabet as
 a phase-changing system, experimenting with letters and
 numbers, their reflections and rotations of shared structure.
 This was verified by a university math teacher to be a form
 of calculus, who recommended a course on 'probability'
 which closely relates set theory and venn diagrams in
 what may be considered a 'weighted analysis' of sorts.

 This is the form of mathematics that should be taught in
 early and all education because it is of practical value
 for basic reasoning, in terms of its allowing for robust
 evaluation and understanding of involved ramifications.
 It allows someone to reason something is 'probable' in
 a way that tends towards absolute truth in reasoning,
 and this is different than saying it is likely or possible.
 So there is deep empirical grounding it can reference
 if ideas are mediated in terms of their truth and logic.

 Going into this course I think the concept was already
 existent of 'superposition' in terms of the alphanumeric
 sign (HIOX) which is replicated in a 16-segment LED
 display, essentially a union jack symbol that generates
 all western letters and numbers. Further, for numbers,
 the 7-segment display, an LED component used in
 electric clock radios and equipment for readout, is
 a simpler example of the superposition concept...

 (note: I did not know the physics word 'superposition'
 yet had some sense of the concept because of this...)

 The 7-segment LED looks like a letter '8' that is more
 rectilinear and box-like. Within this symbol, all of
 the numbers - 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 - can be regenerated.
 So in a sense they are suspended within this '8' that is
 not actually an '8' when it is not lit-up, only outline
 or matrix for a potential 8 or 1 or 3, etc. So there is
 a potential number, 0 through 9, that can be displayed.
 Also hexadecimal letters (A B C D E F) can generate
 from the symbol, so there is an alphanumeric aspect.

 In this way, without calling it 'superposition' this same
 potentiality was noticed in these cultural symbols,
 the 16-segment or HIOX symbol (which is called that
 because it equates to the overlaying of those letters)
 often is seen in building details from ancient times,
 yet also in federal buildings worldwide, in addition to
 use in electronics as alphanumeric display components.
 For the 16-segment, the entire alphabet and number
 system can be recreated from a single symbol, so in
 this way its potentiality is 26 letters and 10 numbers
 though it can go beyond that given extended signs.

 Investigating the structural relations between letters
 and numbers, especially after reading The Republic
 by Plato where this activity was directly referenced,
 became a major question and cultural enigma: why
 is this not being discussed, why is there no record of
 such an amazing ordering device, if not 'parti' (which
 a professor described as being 'organizational logic').
 Especially its code-like or mastercode-like attributes
 in civilization. Plato had described part of it in Meno
 yet only a part of the symbol related to its geometry.

 I did not know what to call any of this until taking the
 course in probabilities and then it became possible
 to begin conceptualizing the condition it exists within
 in terms of exponential counting, or relationships, if
 it can accurately be described this way. The enigma of
 superposition can be presented as a riddle and this
 is easily demonstrated by these generative symbols.
 For example, a 7-segment display could be used to
 animate a sequence of the letter E and number 3 in
 a spinning condition, around a central axis, which
 then would appear as a number '8' (if not letter B) on
 the electronic display or even via a physical motor
 with a single alphanumeric shape, a number 3 on
 oneside and a letter E on the other, set spinning.

 If observing this spinning shape, knowing it may
 be either a letter E or number 3, yet because of its
 motion it is indistinguishable and merged into one
 entity, essentially -both- letter -and- number, then
 its potentiality may be hard to determine precisely
 at a given observation, is it a number 3 or letter E?
 What if it is somewhere between, what does that
 mean - in that a gradient could potentially exist.
 This is essentially the limit of binary reasoning,
 a boundary condition for observation. Depending
 on how fast it is spinning, the blurring that occurs
 could either constitute its own entity, such that it
 is only possible to see in terms of its being '8',
 which is outside the question (3|E), because it
 is precisely not just one or the other choice. So
 the transformative condition in which the objects
 exist cannot be evaluated in the binary terms, as
 if they 

Re: nettime subjective math .

2012-09-11 Thread Stéphane Mourey

Hi Brian,

I feel the same way as you about t the democracy in France, where I'm
living, and any other democratic country today, as far I know them. My
proposal was not for them, it was an abstract thinking, and the
yes/no/neither case was just one case among others you can imagine. Of
course, a deep thinking about blank vote and abstention is required to give
them their right meaning, and I may give you mine once if you want, but it
was out of the scope. I submit this proportional voting idea to your
judgement as your paradoxic logic make me think about it.
In fact, I thought the yes/no/neither as the minimal case, but it is not
as blank and abstention do not have the same meaning, I think that the real
minimal case is 'yes/no/blank/abstention.
By the way, the sample page is really heavy, as I do the minimal work to
make it work... the picture is really heavy as it is an PHP generated
HTML table and the page make take a long time to load. Maybe you were not
patient enough to load the whole page and see the example working. May you
try again ? http://brokenclock.free.fr/scripts/pev/pev-0.0.1.php It works
well with FF 15, IE 9, Chrome.

Regards,

St??phane Mourey

2012/9/7 brian carroll nulltang...@gmail.com


  Hello St??phane


  The point is : To increase freedom, I thought about a system that allow
 me to share my voice between the different possibilities in the proportion
 I want.


  I visited your project page and while I could not get the
  javascript example to function the basic idea is there
  and it is quite interesting to consider in terms of voting.


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nettime Debt As A Public Good, Berlin #BeautifulTrouble Book Launch w/ @AndrewBoyd @Info_Activism // Attn @BTroublemakers

2012-09-11 Thread Dmytri Kleiner
This Thursday, Andrew Boyd{1} will be in town for the Berlin launch of 
Beautiful Trouble{2}, something of an An encyclopedia for creative 
activism as described by Sandra Cuff, of the Vancouver Media Co-op. As 
a contributor, I will join Andrew for the launch. Please come and join 
us.


My contributions to the book where on the subject of organizing around 
debt as a political focus. Beyond the two essays in the book, I have 
written quite a bit about this already{3}. The event on Thursday is a 
book launch, not a lecture, so I'll talk for 15 minutes or so, since 
tactics are an important focus in the book, and Andrew will certainly 
cover some of them, I want to try to go a little more theoretical and 
attempt an macroeconomics of debt in 15 minutes. We'll see how it goes.


Here's a bit of primer.

If a modern monetary economy is to have either growth or savings it 
requires a deficit somewhere.


This is not an opinion, or an ideologically biased point of view. It is 
an arithmetic fact based on the what money means in actually existing 
modern economies.


The key identities here are the Sectoral Balances. The sectors are 
private, public, and international. And the three balances in question 
are net private savings,  the total amount the private sector, including 
households, can save, along with the public balance, that is the amount 
the Government taxes minus what it spends, and the current account 
balance, which the balance between imports and exports.


If you sum these three balances the total is always zero. That is 
because there is only a limited amount of money in the economy at any 
time, and therefore any surplus in one balance must inevitably show up 
as a deficit in another.


If economy needs more money, either because it is growing, or because 
people or corporations want or need to save more, either the budget 
deficit needs to increase or the trade imports need to go down relative 
to exports. If neither of these things happen, then neither economic 
growth, nor increased saving is possible. This is why if wealth is to 
grow, either a government deficit or trade surplus is required. Of 
course, the world as a whole can not have a trade surplus. A trade 
surplus in any nation, must be offset by a trade deficit in another. 
Thus, within a modern monetary economy, the only means for an wealth to 
grow in a balanced trade environment is for the Government to run a 
budgetary deficit.


In other words, if the private sector is carrying too much debt, this 
means the public sector is likely taxing too much or spending too 
little. Government needs to increase it's deficit.


Government spending, and also government borrowing is essential for the 
functioning of our economy. Back in the year 2000, when the economy was 
on over-drive and the US Federal Reserve bank was ratcheting interest 
rates in an attempt to cool down an economy it felt was in overdrive, 
Scott F. Grannis, Chief Economist of a US asset management firm, 
delivered a remarkable paper at the Cato Institute 18th Annual Monetary 
Conference, a right-wing affair co-sponsored by the Economist. Grannis, 
like other fund managers was terrified. What terrified him was that the 
combination of a government budgetary surplus and the fed's tight 
monetary policy would result in a scarcity of government treasuries. 
It's worth quoting him.


Grannis argues The world needs Treasuries, and would be worse off 
without them.  They are a public good just like our justice system, our 
national defense, and our network of interstate highways. [...]  We 
would be foolish to pay down the national debt. Although Grannis 
interest are ultimately self-serving, the preservation of a risk-free 
investment, his point holds true.  Bill Mitchell reports a similar 
situation taking place on Australia, during a period of budgetary 
surplus the government wanted to pay down it's debt, and the financial 
industry went ballistic, for fear of a scarcity of risk-free Treasuries 
to hold in their portfolios.


Money, like Treasuries, is simply a form of Public debt. The fact is 
that Public debt, no matter if it's in the form of accounts, currency or 
treasuries, is the basis of the modern monetary economy. We'd all be 
broke without it. Money enters the economy as government spending, and 
exits the economy as tax payments. If the government has a balanced 
budget, no extra money remains in circulation, and there can be no 
increase in private savings. If the Government has a budgetary surplus, 
this means that private wealth is decreased.


For this reason, as Grannis says, Debt is a Public Good, in the same 
way the infrastructure such as roads create the capacity for transport, 
government debt creates the capacity for commerce. Fiscal policy should 
never be interpreted from the budgetary balance alone, but must always 
keep the Sectoral Balances in mind. The government must spend enough to 
ensure that scarcity of its's debt does not strangle the 

Re: nettime Debt As A Public Good, Berlin #BeautifulTrouble Book Launch w/ @AndrewBoyd @Info_Activism // Attn @BTroublemakers

2012-09-11 Thread Keith Hart
Hi Dmytri.

I agree with: Organizing around debt means uniting against insane policies
that promote the interests of rich corporations and rich countries against
common households and poorer countries. Much of the debt born my households
and the debt born by peripheral nations is a result of bad government and
bad economic policy. But I don't understand why you stick with this
Keynesian analysis which, if it ever applied anywhere, partly illuminated
the national economies of Europe during *les trente glorieuses* of social
democracy. The approach doesn't offer much insight into the current global
system of money where most of it goes off the books. Do you advocate a
return to national economy? There must be some rhetorical purpose for
exhuming this relic.

Best,

Keith

PS Andrew Boyd does look like he is fun. Good luck with the meeting.

On Tue, Sep 11, 2012 at 8:14 PM, Dmytri Kleiner d...@telekommunisten.netwrote:

 Here's a bit of primer.

 If a modern monetary economy is to have either growth or savings it
 requires a deficit somewhere.

 This is not an opinion, or an ideologically biased point of view. It is an
 arithmetic fact based on the what money means in actually existing modern
 economies.


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nettime Artforum Bishop Digital Divide: Whatever happened to digital art?

2012-09-11 Thread nettime's avid reader
http://artforum.com/inprint/issue=201207id=31944

WHATEVER HAPPENED TO DIGITAL ART? Cast your mind back to the
late 1990s, when we got our first e-mail accounts. Wasn't
there a pervasive sense that visual art was going to get
digital, too, harnessing the new technologies that were just
beginning to transform our lives? But somehow the venture
never really gained traction -- which is not to say that
digital media have failed to infiltrate contemporary art.
Most art today deploys new technology at one if not most
stages of its production, dissemination, and consumption.
Multichannel video installations, Photoshopped images,
digital prints, cut-and-pasted files (nowhere better
exemplified than in Christian Marclay's The Clock, 2010):
These are ubiquitous forms, their omnipresence facilitated
by the accessibility and affordability of digital cameras
and editing software. There are plenty of examples of art
that makes use of Second Life (Cao Fei), computer-game
graphics (Miltos Manetas), YouTube clips (Cory Arcangel),
iPhone apps (Amy Sillman), etc.[1]

So why do I have a sense that the appearance and content of
contemporary art have been curiously unresponsive to the
total upheaval in our labor and leisure inaugurated by the
digital revolution? While many artists use digital
technology, how many really confront the question of what it
means to think, see, and filter affect through the digital?
How many thematize this, or reflect deeply on how we
experience, and are altered by, the digitization of our
existence? I find it strange that I can count on one hand
the works of art that do seem to undertake this task: the
flirtations between Frances Stark and various Italian
cyberlovers in her video My Best Thing, 2011; Thomas
Hirschhorn's video of a finger idly scrolling through
gruesome images of blown-apart bodies on a touch screen,
occasionally pausing to enlarge, zoom in, move on (Touching
Reality, 2012); the frenetic, garbled scripts of Ryan
Trecartin's videos (such as K-Corea INC.K [Section A],
2009). Each suggests the endlessly disposable, rapidly
mutable ephemera of the virtual age and its impact on our
consumption of relationships, images, and communication;
each articulates something of the troubling oscillation
between intimacy and distance that characterizes our new
technological regime, and proposes an incommensurability
between our doggedly physiological lives and the screens to
which we are glued.

But these exceptions just point up the rule. There is, of
course, an entire sphere of new media art, but this is a
specialized field of its own: It rarely overlaps with the
mainstream art world (commercial galleries, the Turner
Prize, national pavilions at Venice). While this split is
itself undoubtedly symptomatic, the mainstream art world and
its response to the digital are the focus of this essay. And
when you look at contemporary art since 1989, the year Tim
Berners-Lee invented the World Wide Web, it is striking that
so little of it seems to address the way in which the forms
and languages of new media have altered our relationship to
perception, history, language, and social relations.

In fact, the most prevalent trends in contemporary art since
the '90s seem united in their apparent eschewal of the
digital and the virtual. Performance art, social practice,
assemblage-based sculpture, painting on canvas, the
archival impulse, analog film, and the fascination with
modernist design and architecture: At first glance, none of
these formats appear to have anything to do with digital
media, and when they are discussed, it is typically in
relation to previous artistic practices across the twentieth
century.[2] But when we examine these dominant forms of
contemporary art more closely, their operational logic and
systems of spectatorship prove intimately connected to the
technological revolution we are undergoing. I am not
claiming that these artistic strategies are conscious
reactions to (or implicit denunciations of) an information
society; rather, I am suggesting that the digital is, on a
deep level, the shaping condition -- even the structuring
paradox -- that determines artistic decisions to work with
certain formats and media. Its subterranean presence is
comparable to the rise of television as the backdrop to art
of the 1960s. One word that might be used to describe this
dynamic -- a preoccupation that is present but denied,
perpetually active but apparently buried -- is disavowal: I
know, but all the same . . .

THE FASCINATION WITH ANALOG MEDIA is an obvious starting
point for an examination of contemporary art's repressed
relationship to the digital. Manon de Boer, Matthew
Buckingham, Tacita Dean, Rodney Graham, Rosalind Nashashibi,
and Fiona Tan are just a few names from a long roll call of
artists attracted to the materiality of predigital film and
photography. Today, no exhibition is complete without some
form of bulky, obsolete technology -- the gently clunking
carousel of a slide projector or