Re: dark days

2013-06-13 Thread Eugen Leitl
On Wed, Jun 12, 2013 at 10:01:56PM +0100, Rob Myers wrote:

> On 12/06/13 09:38, Patrice Riemens wrote:
> 
> >GeziPark, PRISM, ERT shutdown come all as a shock.
> 
> Some of the saddest specialist responses to PRISM that I've read
> argue that it isn't a shock and that clever people knew this sort of
> thing was going on anyway.

You didn't have to be clever to know that.
(And a lot more).

However, even temporary media attention recruits new
people for the cause, and some stick long-term.

It has repeatedly been argued that technology
can't route around politics, but if politics
fails, technology is all we've got.


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Re: dark days

2013-06-13 Thread Rob Myers

On 13/06/13 02:42, Ian Milliss wrote:


Why is that so sad, not about cleverness, surely it is just that some
people have been realistic from early on. Since the 90s I've certainly
assumed Microsoft was in the collaboration and spying business  and so
did various European governments, I seem to remember a lot of discussion
about only using open source software in government rather than Windows
etc.


Oh yes, assuming the worst and actually doing something about it is 
good. I'm talking about a kind of smug quiescence.



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Re: [Squares] Hang Out around Networked Democracy (Friday)

2013-06-13 Thread Orsan Senalp
Dear comrades, activists and those in their networks.

For tomorrow we will try to do something new (as far as i know).

There will be an experimental Spanish-English simultaneous
interpretation, which will be provided by comrades on a Mumble room.
Mumble is an Open Source Voip, audio chat, software, needs to be
downloaded and installed on your device beforehand here:
http://www.mumble.com/mumble-download.php?OKEY=google_mum-download_mumble
or from an app-store

The interpretation will be in this location on Mumble:
Location: Occupytalk.org server
Room: Assemblies & Round Tables - go to OPEN SPACE
How to join Mumble: http://www.global-square.net/how-to-join/

It would work best if participants use two devices if possible - any
smartphone/pc/mac/pad  combination.

To explain it simple terms it works like this:
Participants who need interpretation would need two apparatus, these
can be two computers or one computer one telephone so on. So all who
needs translation shall run mumble and Google hangout at the same
time.  On one device follow the hangout meeting, and on the other
listen simultaneous interpretation on mumble,

If all download and install mumble beforehand and log in Mumble room
15 minutes before we could help out to fix their systems and get ready
for the meeting.

I hope we have thought everything and it would work. Don't forget it
is an experimental thing, if it do not work perfect or fails we don't
need to worry or get frustrated, we will learn for the next time.  In
case we develop this it will be very useful for the future meetings
and assemblies.

In solidarity!
Orsan

On 12 June 2013 16:51, Bernardo Guti?rrez  wrote:

> Hello you all
>
> I am preparing an international session around Networked Democracy and
> #GlobalRevolution, on friday, 19.00 (GMT+1). It will be in the Spanish
> glocal platform ThinkCommons.org. Occupations, squares, public space... are
> quite important points in the Hang Out.
> We need someone from Istambul.  As the language of thinkcommons is Spanish,
> it would be fantastic if you find any person Spanish speakers. It can be
> portuguese. If not, no problem, as we have Serkan participating in English
>
> I personally will be in Porto Alegre, in the Digital Office of the
> Governent, probably the most advanced  networked democracy in the world.
> Dom?nico di Siena will be in Madia Lab Prado, Madri. We will have in the
> Hang Out, guest from 15M, Occupy, #YoSoy132 (M?xico), hackers, activists...
> Here you have the hang out. We will project the hang out in Madri and Porto
> Alegre, in order to create hybrid communities (digital+analogic). There will
> be streaming, a link to watch the glocal-hybrid meeting.
> It would we fantastic to have someone from Istambul, to explain what is
> happening.
>
> https://plus.google.com/u/0/events/c1mohmvi3rsv7i08g3goha5tu90
>
> Orsan is suggesting to do a translation to a Mumble room, to English. I
> think it is a great idea!
>
> We also need anyone from New York / Occupy, better in Spanish
> Any other people wanting to participate?
>
> Best
> Bernardo
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