crexit

2019-04-06 Thread Morlock Elloi
I don't know much about the 'crisis' caused by contractual issues 
between GB and EU, it seems to me it's mostly about GB ruling gang 
hugely overestimating its negotiation skills (that upper class breeding 
strategy needs rethinking), and this picture illustrates that idiocy 
better than any texts I've seen:


https://i.imgur.com/9aU4XVy.jpg

BTW, I hear EU negotiators are lately openly calling their GB 
counterparts 'idiots', in the medical sense.

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Re: Managing complexity?

2019-04-06 Thread Prem Chandavarkar

> On 02-Apr-2019, at 11:24 PM, Brian Holmes  
> wrote:
> 
> Because of this permeability, highly invasive techniques are continually 
> designed and applied in order to get people to behave, not as their own 
> system with its own autopoietic compass, but instead, as a subordinate or 
> even determinate part of another, more malleable system. These techniques are 
> turned upon individuals, communities, societies.

Hi Brian,

I gather from what you write that you agree with my quest for care of the 
autopoietic self, the need to work from the inside out, and that the inevitable 
gaze from within the system means that you can never perceive the whole system; 
but the central question is how one resists the invasions of power from outside 
that tend to subvert all of this.  I fully agree that constructing an effective 
resistance is critical, and that we must engage with the political dimension in 
doing so.  The question is how we go about it, and what tools we select for the 
politics we need.  I get the sense that we agree on ends but diverge a bit on 
what we consider appropriate means.

Let me start with observing that this is a discussion thread on how one 
‘manages’ complexity.  I don’t really need to point it out given you are the 
original provocateur of the thread but do so just to draw attention to the 
inevitability of complexity.  And this is where I start having concerns about 
too great a reliance on the construction of structural models of the situation 
as “an analysis that is crucial to action”, for to do so raises the danger of 
losing touch with the fundamentals of complexity.  My concerns are:

To attempt to capture the system in a single model is to resist complexity by 
resorting to simplicity, whereas one must remain within a position of embracing 
complexity.
One can lose oneself in a level of abstraction distanced to the point of 
isolation from the practice of everyday life.
When the model dominates, the self can define itself only in reference to it 
and faces the danger of erasing its own autonomy.
The desire to be comprehensive makes the model too heavy to be useful.

I draw attention to the fact that I do not object to constructing structural 
models per se but am only concerned about having too great a reliance on them 
to the point that one considers them crucial to action.  I should also add that 
in the previous post if I gave the impression that I sought to build a 
dichotomy between open and closed systems, then I apologise that I did not 
express myself clearly.  I would eschew such a dichotomy and posit that it is a 
shuttle between open and closed modes of being that is crucial.  To elaborate, 
let me propose that each of us lives at three levels of experience:

First-Person Experience: Where one is aware of one’s own body and mind as a 
sentient being.  The authenticity of being one feels here is unparalleled, for 
it is not just a conceptual understanding, but a full sensory awareness that 
validates one’s existence in the world.
Second-Person Experience: Where one interacts with other beings.
Third-Person Experience: Where one can comprehend concepts and systems that 
exist beyond the levels of first- and second-person experience.  This covers 
conceptual models and notions of truth, and also covers aesthetics: skilled 
artistic practitioners talk about being ‘possessed’ by their craft once they 
achieve a certain level of mastery in it.

In “The View from Within”, the collection of essays on the study of 
consciousness edited by Francisco Varela and Jonathan Shear, the editors’ 
introduction to the book observes that each of these levels of experience are 
embedded within social and natural networks (the inevitable partial view from 
within that lies at the heart of complexity).  Therefore, each level cannot 
hold by itself, and the movement back and forth between the levels is a process 
by which each critiques, challenges, and thereby, validates the other.  Put too 
much faith in first-person experience, and one faces the danger of being 
confined to a blinkered self-indulgent perspective that leads to systemic 
fragility at wider levels of complexity.  Put too much faith in third-person 
experience, and the definition of the self is reduced to referential terms of 
function or purpose, and the self’s autonomy goes unrecognised.  The difference 
with humans is that we are reflexive beings, we can not only engage with the 
world, but we can also think about ourselves and the nature of that engagement. 
 We can be within our own autonomy, or we can conceptually step outside it.  A 
reliance on third-person experience encourages us to endanger our own autonomy 
by anchoring ourselves outside it.  The continued movement between all three 
levels is important.  Third-person concepts require validation by the 
authenticity of the first-person level, and the potential narrow 
self-indulgence of first-person experience needs the challenge of third-person 
experience.  S

Re: Managing complexity?

2019-04-06 Thread Felix Stalder

On 03.04.19 11:38, James Wallbank wrote:
> Felix, this is the sort of post that social media conditions me to want
> to click "Like" but also to feel that it's an inadequate response.
> 
> I'd only add (or perhaps, draw out):
> 
> * "Managing" is the wrong way to think about maximising human welfare
> (or, indeed, achieving any defined objective) when interacting with
> complex systems.
> 
> * Perhaps "Surfing" is a better concept - dynamically balancing on
> roiling, turbulent, unknowable medium to plot a course at least
> approximately intentional. Some of the time.


Hi James,

I'm glad the clunky set-up of a mailing list doesn't provide the option
to simply click "like" :)

I'm not a philosopher and I'm skeptical about defining terms too neatly,
but I think here, the terminology is crucial. Because it expresses how
we conceive the relationship to the larger socio-ecological environment
in which we are living.

I agree that "managing" is not a good term, with all its connotations of
"central management" or "top-down control". But surfing is deficient in
the other way, it doesn't really account for the enormous influence
humans have on the environment and it evades the political questions
about what kind of world we are living in. Human civilization cannot
just wait for the right wave to come along, but is part of what produces
the waves in the first place.


On 31.03.19 15:50, Prem Chandavarkar wrote:

> However, self-organising systems are emergent - they can exhibit 
> fundamental properties that did not exist at all in an earlier state
> of the system.  As humans, we cannot be blind to what properties may 
> emerge, unless we say we have no ethical concerns at all if the
> system throws up properties such as unfair and degrading exploitation
> of others or ecological imbalances.
This is really important, in my view. Even as we try to develop a more
connected, systemic perspective, one in which agency is distributed and
heterogeneous,  I think it's crucial to acknowledge that humans are
still different from all other agents, in so far as they alone can
think, and act, on the level of the overall system and its emergent
effects, rather than just within their limited domains.

Clive Hamilton, in "Defiant Earth", stresses this point, arguing against
Haraway and others, who view humans as just one group of agents among
many others. He calls this "anti-anthropocentrism" and argues for a "new
anthropocentrism".

While I'm not sure that's the greatest of terms, what he means by it is
basically this: Because of their unique positions, humans need to take
responsibility for the earth, without assuming the ability to control it
(as in the the fantasies of "ecomodernist" geoengineers).

"Responsibility without control", seems like a good approximation to an
way of conceptualization how to life within a complex, nonlinear system.


Felix



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