The American theory of hybrid war

[Brian Holmes]

The American theory was produced after the 2005 Isreal-Lebanon war which
resulted in the Israelis finally exiting the South of Lebanon. Origin of
the concept is a guy named Hoffmann, 2007 (bit.ly/3MPtEVc). This is
distinct from the Russian concept of hybrid war, it's not about
information. Instead the model is a situation where irregular forces on the
ground have a structural partner in conventional state forces using all
levers except direct military intervention. In the Israel-Lebanon war, the
irregular forces were Hezbollah and the conventional state was Iran. In the
current conflict, you get it.

It's amazing how the Americans/Nato have hewn to their doctrine. In Lebanon
they were afraid of it. Now they are wielding it. They have only the
Ukrainians to thank for its success so far. Which might be reaching its
limits.

I'm curious if people in Europe want to ratchet up? In the US, as far as I
can tell, the public wants intervention. The leaders, not so much.

The Russians after a period of dispute finally settled the theoretical
issue, placing net-centric or information warfare in the older category of
"active measures," aka political warfare. Americans came to the same
conclusion. After the infowar, you go all in.

Benson's question, When did this war begin? is profound. And the question,
When's it going to end? will likely haunt us for a long time.
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Re: Further on FSB 'dissident' voice

[Michael Benson]

Ted, what I find intriguing about this fiction/fact dualism you reference,
or one thing I find interesting, is the question of when do we know the war
has started and who's involved? As you already implied. So yes, it's a
privilege of peace (nice phrase) to debate if that guy in the FSB, or maybe
not in the FSB, actually wrote that. We're at peace to debate this. But
what if the war started a while ago also for 'us,' whoever 'we' might be,
and we didn't quite register that fact? In the same way that global warming
started, it's definitively no longer in the future. It's here, but we're
not quite sure when we truly recognized that fact? There was no binary zero
or one moment.

What I'm getting at is, was Brexit (with its mysterious sources of funding
that the Tory government investigated, but found convenient not to release
any findings concerning), when the war started? Was that ignorant wrecking
ball Donald Trump squeaking into the White House after a significant
campaign to benefit him on multiple social and other media fronts,
etcetera, all originating you know where, when the war started? Both? Were
they themselves examples of "forgeries used for escalation" on a
particularly grand scale? Or was the first invasion of Ukraine and the
seizing of Crimea in 2014 when it started? Or some temporal webwork combo
of all of those? In other words, what's fiction: that we're at peace right
now, or that we're already in another state, one that's not quite peace
anymore? And if we're in that latter condition, when did it start?

That whole deadly serious game you reference when the Allies had to hide
from the Axis that Bletchley Park geniuses had broken their codes, meaning
convoys at sea and cities like Coventry had in practice to be sacrificed
for the greater good of shortening the war, thus saving more live in total,
is a great disturbing example. And it also resonates with how signals
intercepts have been deployed in the last few months in a quite different
way, to try to preempt escalatory/justificatory moves by Putin. So called
false flag operations.

But maybe the false flag we're living under right now is the one indicating
that we're at peace, when we're actually in another condition similar to
the condition of all those independent journalists who've fled on short
notice from Moscow and are setting up studios as we speak in Istanbul to
try to broadcast on Telegram back into Russia. That is, not-peace. And
haven't quite recognized it.

I'm not sure.

Best,
Michael

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What Michael said.

It's also worth noting that dwelling on whether that document is authentic
is a privilege of peace. We could debate whether 'we' are 'at war,' what
kind of war it is, etc etc, but that too is a privilege of peace. No one in
Ukraine would doubt that we're at war; only those who at a remove from the
hostilities would bother. I think the ethical stance is to acknowledge that
while war might not be raging where you or I happen to be, there is one ?
and the threat of being draw into direct hostilities implies that we're
already involved. This, btw, is the logic that dominates pretty much *all*
discussions about NATO engagement, weapons transfers, no-fly zones, and all
the rest. We'd do well to apply those criteria in contexts like this one as
well ? in part because the *systemic* risk is that forgeries will be used
to justify escalation.

As for the document in question, when we ask whether it's authentic in
practice that means we're asking about its provenance, as if it were an
artwork or last will and testament. Hence the immediate nerdy turn toward
questions about Bellingcat's and other sources' bona fides. Obviously,
there are reasons to keep these aspects in mind, but we should also note
their effect: attention shifts decisively away from the substance of what
the document claims.

The go-to example: When Churchill feigned ignorance of Nazi plans to
flatten Coventry, in order to hide the fact that Allies had cracked Nazi
codes, that surely involved the production of fictional documents, and very
probably planting some as well. Were those fictional docs 'authentic'?
Well, yes and no. The Nazis would have paid close attention to any docs
they captured, but for the people of Coventry that focus on provenance
would have been both abstract and misleading.

If this doc purported to be minutely detailed Russian battle plans and the
concern was that it might have been planted to mislead opponents in
specific ways, yes ? but it doesn't do that at all, does it? So my hot take
in *this* context: some fanfic is as good as the real thing, and some is
even better.

Either way, does anyone doubt for a minute that it offers a reasonably
accurate view into the mentality of Russian ~security bureaucracy? Or that
it's at least as accura

Re: FSB, Christo Grosev, Bellingcat

[Michael Benson]

Thanks Keith. Thing is, this doesn't rise to the level of a Bellingcat
investigation, it's a forwarded piece of information on Twitter from a
Bellingcat principal with caveats, but for me it passed the smell test (for
what _that's_ worth), and I don't see how putting it out there helps
Russia/the FSB in any way even if it turns out to be faked. It wouldn't be
some huge scandal if it turned out to be, but one reason it passes the
smell test for me (apart from how it reminds me of 'Scientist' in Stalker I
mean!) is that it doesn't really advantage Ukraine much if it's circulating
either. They're in such deep trouble that it's a footnote or rounding error
on the scale of things.

No, I bet it will turn out to be real (though we may never know), and to
reflect the consternation of an inner-circle operative confronted with the
biggest fuckup in Russian history since they invaded Afghanistan. And that
was the USSR. So, the biggest fuckup in Russian history since the USSR
fell.

Comparable in that way to another similarly totally unwarranted fuckup, the
invasion of Iraq by the US in 2003. And undoubtedly to produce a similar
decline in global credibility and standing and influence (already has).

I just hope we're not looking at an August 1914 scenario. Whew! "History is
a nightmare from which I'm trying to awake" [Stephen Dedalus by James Joyce]

Best,
Michael

On Mon, 14 Mar 2022 at 18:01, Keith Sanborn  wrote:

> Has it occurred to anyone that Bellingcat cd have been set up by the FSB
> in an attempt to discredit them? I can imagine a scenario where a “trusted
> insider,” who has been allowed to leak certain truthful information, in a
> time of war give false information which he knows will be publicized in
> order to achieve the larger goal of discrediting a very large thorn in the
> side of the FSB.
>
> On Mar 14, 2022, at 5:51 PM, Michael Benson  wrote:
>
> 
> So concerning Stefan's position on Bellingcat, evidently grounded in a
> couple URLs to be taken "with a grain of salt" and the views of Craig
> Murray, interestingly enough earlier today I was following some
> argumentation by this same Craig Murray concerning Bellingcat. Which he
> described in much the same terms as Stefan, in a kind of verbal duel
> between himself and Andrew MacGregor Marshall, a journalist specializing in
> Thai affairs:
>
> https://twitter.com/BensonImages/status/1503395047223480327
>
> (It opens on my comment at the end, but if you scroll up you'll get the
> thread.) As you'll see if you take the trouble, Murray describes
> Bellingcat as a "security service outlet," Marshall disputes this and asks
> for evidence, and Murray provides a link to a piece in MR Online, as in
> Monthly Review, a self-described independent socialist magazine.
>
> But when I read that piece, which is titled "How Bellingcat launders
> National Security State talking points in the press," I quickly discovered
> that their evidence for this rested in part on the "alarming number" of
> people at Bellingcat who've come from "highly suspect" backgrounds. Such as
> the US Secret Service and the British Foreign Office. That plus some
> funding from the National Endowment for Democracy, an NGO funded by the US
> Government that has been criticized by both the left and right.
>
> Ok, fair enough. (And let's set aside the rather obvious laundering of
> Kremlin talking points evident in MR Online as being off topic.) This was
> the first I'd heard of Murray, so I went to his Twitter profile to check
> him out — and discovered that he is himself a former UK
> Ambassador, something he's proud to highlight. And thus is himself a former
> senior official of the British Foreign Office. (He served in Uzbekistan
> 2002-2004 and prior to that in a long string of FCO positions in Africa and
> elsewhere.)
>
> Of course with this we enter a hall of mirrors, in which by the same
> standard Murray himself offers as evidence, he must himself be a "security
> service outlet." Essentially a version of Epimenides' paradox, in which a
> Cretan offers up that all Cretans are liars.
>
> But let's be charitable and take one resolution to the Epimenides paradox,
> that Epimenides only meant that all Cretans _tell_ lies, not that every
> single statement by every Cretan is a lie. And according to Wikipedia
> (which I then went to, in my ongoing low-budget, low-fi emulation of
> Bellingcat's methodology, albeit without bank account backdoors to the
> national security state, alas), Murray was removed from his post at Foreign
> Office and subsequently became an activist and human rights campaigner.
>
> Ok, fair enough again. Still, he was impugning the veracity and
> motivations of _others_ who'd left _their_ respective official services in
> government and became investigative journalists specialized in OSINT at
> Bellingcat. Which, I would submit, apart from its journalistic bona
> fides, produces outcomes necessary to the furthering of human rights
> activism. Because I think it unde

Zizek on Putin's war game

[Molly Hankwitz]

Hi all

It is an obvious move to go to Zizek for soul, but he's always got
something worthwhile to assert. This time a critique of the gigantic binary
dynamics at play in this war. He has a new term "Hot Peace" - as 'hot
peace' is about having 'normal Russia' selling oil and gas overseas, while
he pummels "hotly" as it were at Ukraine. Also, speaks on remembering that
the holocaust took place at a golden time for European modernity and
civilization and on Putin's neo-fascist politics...the disappearance of
dissenters within Russia, those brave enough to reject his state.

I cry inside today at the thought of a World War Three and truly hope that
Joe holds out, this clear baiting by Putin to drive us into battle with
him. It's so disgusting...

Zizek - https://youtu.be/UXJp7K2jz6g

peace
molly
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Re: FSB, Christo Grosev, Bellingcat

[Keith Sanborn]

Has it occurred to anyone that Bellingcat cd have been set up by the FSB in an 
attempt to discredit them? I can imagine a scenario where a “trusted insider,” 
who has been allowed to leak certain truthful information, in a time of war 
give false information which he knows will be publicized in order to achieve 
the larger goal of discrediting a very large thorn in the side of the FSB. 

> On Mar 14, 2022, at 5:51 PM, Michael Benson  wrote:
> 
> 
> So concerning Stefan's position on Bellingcat, evidently grounded in a couple 
> URLs to be taken "with a grain of salt" and the views of Craig Murray, 
> interestingly enough earlier today I was following some argumentation by this 
> same Craig Murray concerning Bellingcat. Which he described in much the same 
> terms as Stefan, in a kind of verbal duel between himself and Andrew 
> MacGregor Marshall, a journalist specializing in Thai affairs:
> 
> https://twitter.com/BensonImages/status/1503395047223480327
> 
> (It opens on my comment at the end, but if you scroll up you'll get the 
> thread.) As you'll see if you take the trouble, Murray describes Bellingcat 
> as a "security service outlet," Marshall disputes this and asks for evidence, 
> and Murray provides a link to a piece in MR Online, as in Monthly Review, a 
> self-described independent socialist magazine. 
> 
> But when I read that piece, which is titled "How Bellingcat launders National 
> Security State talking points in the press," I quickly discovered that their 
> evidence for this rested in part on the "alarming number" of people at 
> Bellingcat who've come from "highly suspect" backgrounds. Such as the US 
> Secret Service and the British Foreign Office. That plus some funding from 
> the National Endowment for Democracy, an NGO funded by the US Government that 
> has been criticized by both the left and right.
> 
> Ok, fair enough. (And let's set aside the rather obvious laundering of 
> Kremlin talking points evident in MR Online as being off topic.) This was the 
> first I'd heard of Murray, so I went to his Twitter profile to check him out 
> — and discovered that he is himself a former UK Ambassador, something he's 
> proud to highlight. And thus is himself a former senior official of the 
> British Foreign Office. (He served in Uzbekistan 2002-2004 and prior to that 
> in a long string of FCO positions in Africa and elsewhere.) 
> 
> Of course with this we enter a hall of mirrors, in which by the same standard 
> Murray himself offers as evidence, he must himself be a "security service 
> outlet." Essentially a version of Epimenides' paradox, in which a Cretan 
> offers up that all Cretans are liars. 
> 
> But let's be charitable and take one resolution to the Epimenides paradox, 
> that Epimenides only meant that all Cretans _tell_ lies, not that every 
> single statement by every Cretan is a lie. And according to Wikipedia (which 
> I then went to, in my ongoing low-budget, low-fi emulation of Bellingcat's 
> methodology, albeit without bank account backdoors to the national security 
> state, alas), Murray was removed from his post at Foreign Office and 
> subsequently became an activist and human rights campaigner. 
> 
> Ok, fair enough again. Still, he was impugning the veracity and motivations 
> of _others_ who'd left _their_ respective official services in government and 
> became investigative journalists specialized in OSINT at Bellingcat. Which, I 
> would submit, apart from its journalistic bona fides, produces outcomes 
> necessary to the furthering of human rights activism. Because I think it 
> undeniable that they've produced some rather spectacular results, even if 
> they simultaneously sometimes evoke Cuban expat cartoonist Antonio Prohias's 
> classic "Spy vs Spy '' strips in Mad Magazine decades ago.
> 
> I mean honestly, who doesn't get a bang out of the fact that in collaboration 
> with other investigative news organizations, Bellingcat was able to use 
> cellphone data to track known FSB operatives who'd attempted to assassinate 
> Alexey Navalny in Tomsk in August 2020, thus using tools traditionally 
> associated with espionage to out FSB assassins, something ultimately allowing 
> a miraculously still-living Navalny to actually _call_ one of his would-be 
> assassins from Germany, impersonate a senior FSB official, and actually get 
> this man (Konstantin Kudryavtsev) to describe to exactly how this attempt _on 
> the life of the man he was speaking to_ was made? Namely by smearing Novichok 
> on Navalny's underwear? Thus confirming both the allegations against him and 
> his own status as Keystone Spook for all the world to know? 
> 
> If that's not for the ages — a story worthy of Pliny the Elder — what is? Let 
> me end simply by observing that regardless of the above, Christo Grozev 
> himself was never an ambassador, secret service agent or military guy (ok ok, 
> "we might never know"), but rather a successful entrepreneurial journalist 
> for over 

Re: FSB, Christo Grosev, Bellingcat

[Michael Benson]

So concerning Stefan's position on Bellingcat, evidently grounded in a
couple URLs to be taken "with a grain of salt" and the views of Craig
Murray, interestingly enough earlier today I was following some
argumentation by this same Craig Murray concerning Bellingcat. Which he
described in much the same terms as Stefan, in a kind of verbal duel
between himself and Andrew MacGregor Marshall, a journalist specializing in
Thai affairs:

https://twitter.com/BensonImages/status/1503395047223480327

(It opens on my comment at the end, but if you scroll up you'll get the
thread.) As you'll see if you take the trouble, Murray describes
Bellingcat as a "security service outlet," Marshall disputes this and asks
for evidence, and Murray provides a link to a piece in MR Online, as in
Monthly Review, a self-described independent socialist magazine.

But when I read that piece, which is titled "How Bellingcat launders
National Security State talking points in the press," I quickly discovered
that their evidence for this rested in part on the "alarming number" of
people at Bellingcat who've come from "highly suspect" backgrounds. Such as
the US Secret Service and the British Foreign Office. That plus some
funding from the National Endowment for Democracy, an NGO funded by the US
Government that has been criticized by both the left and right.

Ok, fair enough. (And let's set aside the rather obvious laundering of
Kremlin talking points evident in MR Online as being off topic.) This was
the first I'd heard of Murray, so I went to his Twitter profile to check
him out — and discovered that he is himself a former UK
Ambassador, something he's proud to highlight. And thus is himself a former
senior official of the British Foreign Office. (He served in Uzbekistan
2002-2004 and prior to that in a long string of FCO positions in Africa and
elsewhere.)

Of course with this we enter a hall of mirrors, in which by the same
standard Murray himself offers as evidence, he must himself be a "security
service outlet." Essentially a version of Epimenides' paradox, in which a
Cretan offers up that all Cretans are liars.

But let's be charitable and take one resolution to the Epimenides paradox,
that Epimenides only meant that all Cretans _tell_ lies, not that every
single statement by every Cretan is a lie. And according to Wikipedia
(which I then went to, in my ongoing low-budget, low-fi emulation of
Bellingcat's methodology, albeit without bank account backdoors to the
national security state, alas), Murray was removed from his post at Foreign
Office and subsequently became an activist and human rights campaigner.

Ok, fair enough again. Still, he was impugning the veracity and motivations
of _others_ who'd left _their_ respective official services in government
and became investigative journalists specialized in OSINT at Bellingcat.
Which, I would submit, apart from its journalistic bona fides, produces
outcomes necessary to the furthering of human rights activism. Because I
think it undeniable that they've produced some rather spectacular results,
even if they simultaneously sometimes evoke Cuban expat cartoonist Antonio
Prohias's classic "Spy vs Spy '' strips in Mad Magazine decades ago.

I mean honestly, who doesn't get a bang out of the fact that in
collaboration with other investigative news organizations, Bellingcat was
able to use cellphone data to track known FSB operatives who'd attempted to
assassinate Alexey Navalny in Tomsk in August 2020, thus using tools
traditionally associated with espionage to out FSB assassins, something
ultimately allowing a miraculously still-living Navalny to actually _call_
one of his would-be assassins from Germany, impersonate a senior FSB
official, and actually get this man (Konstantin Kudryavtsev) to describe to
exactly how this attempt _on the life of the man he was speaking to_ was
made? Namely by smearing Novichok on Navalny's underwear? Thus confirming
both the allegations against him and his own status as Keystone Spook for
all the world to know?

If that's not for the ages — a story worthy of Pliny the Elder — what is? Let
me end simply by observing that regardless of the above, Christo Grozev
himself was never an ambassador, secret service agent or military guy (ok
ok, "we might never know"), but rather a successful entrepreneurial
journalist for over three decades, who with his team won a European Press
Prize for unmasking exactly who'd poisoned Sergei and Yulia Skripal (with
Novichok, of course) in the UK in 2018. And that if you're tempted to see
him or Bellingcat as being engaged in right-leaning, pro-national security
state, pro-NATO, anti-socialist activities, consider that he and his
collaborators have also followed all manner of fact-tendrils inconvenient
to the UK government and other NATO countries, for example by investigating
illegal arms sales to the Saudis by NATO countries.

Best,
Michael


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Re: Further on FSB 'dissident' voice

[Ted Byfield]

What Michael said.

It's also worth noting that dwelling on whether that document is authentic is a 
privilege of peace. We could debate whether 'we' are 'at war,' what kind of war 
it is, etc etc, but that too is a privilege of peace. No one in Ukraine would 
doubt that we're at war; only those who at a remove from the hostilities would 
bother. I think the ethical stance is to acknowledge that while war might not 
be raging where you or I happen to be, there is one — and the threat of being 
draw into direct hostilities implies that we're already involved. This, btw, is 
the logic that dominates pretty much *all* discussions about NATO engagement, 
weapons transfers, no-fly zones, and all the rest. We'd do well to apply those 
criteria in contexts like this one as well — in part because the *systemic* 
risk is that forgeries will be used to justify escalation.

As for the document in question, when we ask whether it's authentic in practice 
that means we're asking about its provenance, as if it were an artwork or last 
will and testament. Hence the immediate nerdy turn toward questions about 
Bellingcat's and other sources' bona fides. Obviously, there are reasons to 
keep these aspects in mind, but we should also note their effect: attention 
shifts decisively away from the substance of what the document claims.

The go-to example: When Churchill feigned ignorance of Nazi plans to flatten 
Coventry, in order to hide the fact that Allies had cracked Nazi codes, that 
surely involved the production of fictional documents, and very probably 
planting some as well. Were those fictional docs 'authentic'? Well, yes and no. 
The Nazis would have paid close attention to any docs they captured, but for 
the people of Coventry that focus on provenance would have been both abstract 
and misleading.

If this doc purported to be minutely detailed Russian battle plans and the 
concern was that it might have been planted to mislead opponents in specific 
ways, yes — but it doesn't do that at all, does it? So my hot take in *this* 
context: some fanfic is as good as the real thing, and some is even better.

Either way, does anyone doubt for a minute that it offers a reasonably accurate 
view into the mentality of Russian ~security bureaucracy? Or that it's at least 
as accurate as the overwhelming majority of what the Western media are 
publishing?

Cheers,
Ted

On 14 Mar 2022, at 13:34, Michael Benson wrote:

> Hi David,
>
> Regarding what I agree is a puzzling discrepancy, namely between the video
> on March 2nd and the tweet I cited three days later, I've DM'd Christo
> Grozev asking for clarity and will forward what I hear back, if anything.
>
> Of course he wrote the following in that March 5th thread: "Ukraine had
> previously leaked fake FSB letters as psy-ops." So I would assume that's
> very likely what he was referring to in the video.
>
> Anyway, you've read his rationale for taking it seriously, so I won't echo
> it here. Beyond observing that Gulag.net is an utterly credible and ethical
> entity, and when Grozev says he ran the text by some FSB types who believed
> it genuine, believe me he's well positioned to have done just that. As lead
> Russia investigator for Bellingcat, he has authored investigations that
> uncovered the identities of Alexei Navalny's putative assassins; the
> Russian officers who shot down Malaysia Flight 17 over Ukraine; the Skripal
> poisonings; etc. Check out his bio, he's got quite the record. In fact I'd
> go so far as to say he's a kind of searchlight illuminating things that
> some very powerful interests would like to keep dark, which is why I
> thought that thread worth passing on.
>
> Best wishes from Ottawa,
> Michael
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Re: The Emergence of Algorithmic Solidarity

[Andre Rangel]

Thank you!!

> On 14 Mar 2022, at 18:29, Donatella Della Ratta  wrote:
> 
> sorry thought was clear from the poster!
> it's on Zoom
> cheers
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Donatella Della Ratta
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> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Il giorno lun 14 mar 2022 alle ore 19:27 Andre Rangel  > ha scritto:
> Hello Donatella,
> 
> Wild this event be online or presential?
> 
> Best,
> 
> André
> 
>> On 14 Mar 2022, at 18:22, Donatella Della Ratta > > wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Hi nettimers
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Re: The Emergence of Algorithmic Solidarity

[Andre Rangel]

Hello Donatella,

Wild this event be online or presential?

Best,

André

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Further on FSB 'dissident' voice

[Michael Benson]

Hi David,

Regarding what I agree is a puzzling discrepancy, namely between the video
on March 2nd and the tweet I cited three days later, I've DM'd Christo
Grozev asking for clarity and will forward what I hear back, if anything.

Of course he wrote the following in that March 5th thread: "Ukraine had
previously leaked fake FSB letters as psy-ops." So I would assume that's
very likely what he was referring to in the video.

Anyway, you've read his rationale for taking it seriously, so I won't echo
it here. Beyond observing that Gulag.net is an utterly credible and ethical
entity, and when Grozev says he ran the text by some FSB types who believed
it genuine, believe me he's well positioned to have done just that. As lead
Russia investigator for Bellingcat, he has authored investigations that
uncovered the identities of Alexei Navalny's putative assassins; the
Russian officers who shot down Malaysia Flight 17 over Ukraine; the Skripal
poisonings; etc. Check out his bio, he's got quite the record. In fact I'd
go so far as to say he's a kind of searchlight illuminating things that
some very powerful interests would like to keep dark, which is why I
thought that thread worth passing on.

Best wishes from Ottawa,
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Date: Sun, 13 Mar 2022 19:10:17 +
From: David Garcia 
To: Michael Benson ,  
Subject: Re:  FSB 'dissident' voice
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I might be confused but I wonder if this statement at about 37 min into
this youtube seminar given by Christo Grozev calls the veracity of this FSB
dissident into question ?

https://reutersinstitute.politics.ox.ac.uk/calendar/insights-bellingcat-russias-ukraine-ambitions



I remember reading a less rough translation of this text by Igor Sushko
which he posted as a twitter thread which I saw as a re-tweet from Felix. I
remember thinking

that it was too good to be true. But as I was informed the source was
Bellingcat this gave me hope that it might be accurate. It looks like I was
right to be sceptical. 


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Re: FSB 'dissident' voice

[Stefan Heidenreich]

bcs it's most likely a British secret service related fakenews 
pseudo-activist astroturf propaganda site, sponsored by the integrity 
intiative:
here a bunch of links, of which Craig Murray is the most credible 
source, the others to be taken with a grain of salt:


https://www.craigmurray.org.uk/archives/2022/01/beware-the-cult-of-cadwalladr/

http://syriapropagandamedia.org/working-papers/briefing-note-on-the-integrity-initiative

https://caityjohnstone.medium.com/war-propaganda-firm-bellingcat-continues-lying-about-syria-60e02587e66f


Am 14.03.2022 um 13:45 schrieb José María Mateos:

On Sun, Mar 13, 2022 at 11:50:44PM +0100, Felix Stalder wrote:

David,

thanks for pointing this out. Quite strange, because this is the same 
person from bellingcat who shared the text in the first place, 
including some background how he checked the authenticity. Now he does 
not even mention this when discounting the document and how the media 
fell for it.


A blog I've been following for a few years now (nakedcapitalism.com), 
and which I think does a pretty good job at reporting on current 
affairs, is typically very dismissive of Bellingcat. They tend to be 
quite contrarian, but not just for the sake of it, so while I think 
Bellingcat has very good press in the "mainstream media", I always 
wondered what they saw in them that they didn't like. I never found it 
explicitly stated.


Cheers,


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Re: FSB 'dissident' voice

[José María Mateos]

On Sun, Mar 13, 2022 at 11:50:44PM +0100, Felix Stalder wrote:

David,

thanks for pointing this out. Quite strange, because this is the same 
person from bellingcat who shared the text in the first place, 
including some background how he checked the authenticity. Now he does 
not even mention this when discounting the document and how the media 
fell for it.


A blog I've been following for a few years now (nakedcapitalism.com), 
and which I think does a pretty good job at reporting on current 
affairs, is typically very dismissive of Bellingcat. They tend to be 
quite contrarian, but not just for the sake of it, so while I think 
Bellingcat has very good press in the "mainstream media", I always 
wondered what they saw in them that they didn't like. I never found it 
explicitly stated.


Cheers,

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