Re: Stormy weather?
surely not mutually exclusive, most wars of independence were both struggles for self determination and proxy wars between the great powers, there are always many wars within each war... Oh my, what this is supposed to mean, only chatGPT can explain fies aber lustig x Ana On Mon, Feb 13, 2023 at 6:00 PM Stefan Heidenreich < m...@stefanheidenreich.de> wrote: > > >> - the defeat of NATO could lead to a "decolonization" of Western > >> Europe (not that this by itself leads to positive results. Repressive > >> "liberal" fascism remains as likely an outcome as some sort of > >> independence.) > > > > Oh my, what this is supposed to mean, only chatGPT can explain. > > > > well, people who think that this war does not primarily serve as a proxy > war, may indeed also consider chatGPT a reliable source ... :) > # distributed via : no commercial use without permission > #is a moderated mailing list for net criticism, > # collaborative text filtering and cultural politics of the nets > # more info: http://mx.kein.org/mailman/listinfo/nettime-l > # archive: http://www.nettime.org contact: nett...@kein.org > # @nettime_bot tweets mail w/ sender unless #ANON is in Subject: > # distributed via : no commercial use without permission #is a moderated mailing list for net criticism, # collaborative text filtering and cultural politics of the nets # more info: http://mx.kein.org/mailman/listinfo/nettime-l # archive: http://www.nettime.org contact: nett...@kein.org # @nettime_bot tweets mail w/ sender unless #ANON is in Subject:
Re: CfP: Critical reflections on pandemic politics: left-wing, feminist and anti-racist critiques
no worries, I failed to sign it! and do agree with you Ted! xAna On Fri, Jan 21, 2022 at 4:29 PM Ted Byfield wrote: > I think I know how that happened, and it's more likely a spellcheck thing > — but that's one of those unknowables, isn't it? And a poor excuse in any > case, and carries much less weight than the context — nettime's > long-established history of gender bias. Way back I had a boss who all but > beat into me how important it is to get names right; he was a creep but he > was also right. So: Ana, please accept my apologies, and bronac, thank you > for pointing out my mistake. > > Ted > > On 21 Jan 2022, at 8:34, bronac ferran wrote: > > > can't help wondering who the 'Alan' is to whom your email is addressed > > > > seems a perfect subliminal reflex (I won't say knee jerk response) ... > > > > as ever > > > > B > > > > On Fri, 21 Jan 2022 at 13:26, Ted Byfield wrote: > > > >> Alan, your question seems right on. I think there's an answer — it's > just > >> not very satisfying. > <...> > # distributed via : no commercial use without permission #is a moderated mailing list for net criticism, # collaborative text filtering and cultural politics of the nets # more info: http://mx.kein.org/mailman/listinfo/nettime-l # archive: http://www.nettime.org contact: nett...@kein.org # @nettime_bot tweets mail w/ sender unless #ANON is in Subject:
Re: CfP: Critical reflections on pandemic politics: left-wing, feminist and anti-racist critiques
What is "pro-vax imperialism"? To what concrete, real, policy does this term apply? It seems to suggest that vaccines are being foisted on the global south when the actual problem is hoarding... On Thu, Jan 20, 2022 at 6:06 PM Ted Byfield wrote: > This kind of 'concern trolling'–esque appropriation of leftish discourse > in the service of rightish agendas is becoming pervasive in the US at least > — and elsewhere, I'm sure, albeit with less detail. > > As with most of these discursive tendencies it's first and foremost > impersonal, which can make it hard to counter without opening oneself up to > charges of relying on ad hominem. I think that helps to account for its > rise as a rhetorical strategy: it 'works' mainly because it lays basis for > a scripted form of pseudo-argument — pious platitudes about science, > openness, debate, democracy, whatever. But, as I think you suggest, > Florian, it would be a serious mistake to see it as merely rhetorical: it > has concrete consequences. > > It might be useful to think of this turn in terms of rightist > 'culture-jamming,' 'overidentification,' and related ideas. > > Cheers, > Ted > > On 20 Jan 2022, at 7:00, Florian Cramer wrote: > > >> - Government propaganda and censorship around lockdown and vaccination > >> > > [...] > > > >> - The role of mass and social media in anti- or pro-lockdown or vaccine > >> propaganda, political polarization and forms of media virality (eg. via > >> covid-19 memes) > >> > > [...] > > > >> - Mandatory vaccine rollouts as assaults to the feminist appeal to > bodily > >> autonomy > >> > > [...] > > > >> - Ethical considerations regarding mass experimentation, moral shaming > and > >> lateral citizen surveillance > >> > > [...] > > > >> - Teleological and theological narratives of science as salvation (eg. > via > >> vaccinations) > > > > > > All beautiful examples of a "Querfront" discourse where extreme right > > positions are packaged in left-wing rhetoric. Not a single point, > however, > > on minorities and vulnerable people and communities endangered by > > anti-vaccer egoism, and neo-Darwinist politics - for example in the UK, > > Sweden and the Netherlands, of "herd immunity" through survival of the > > fittest. > > > > You should invite Dutch experts Willem Engel and Thierry Baudet as > keynote > > speakers. > # distributed via : no commercial use without permission > #is a moderated mailing list for net criticism, > # collaborative text filtering and cultural politics of the nets > # more info: http://mx.kein.org/mailman/listinfo/nettime-l > # archive: http://www.nettime.org contact: nett...@kein.org > # @nettime_bot tweets mail w/ sender unless #ANON is in Subject: # distributed via : no commercial use without permission #is a moderated mailing list for net criticism, # collaborative text filtering and cultural politics of the nets # more info: http://mx.kein.org/mailman/listinfo/nettime-l # archive: http://www.nettime.org contact: nett...@kein.org # @nettime_bot tweets mail w/ sender unless #ANON is in Subject:
Re: CfP: Critical reflections on pandemic politics: left-wing, feminist and anti-racist critiques
I would not call Florian's response a knee-jerk reaction, and also find it difficult to sketch out an anti-racist position without addressing vaccine equity, or the adjacency of anti-vaccine rhetoric to narratives of reverse colonialism entailing the subjugation of white people; not to mention their rabid antisemitism. I would not foreclose a left-wing critique of government policy but would agree with Florian that its dangerous to couch far-right sentiment in left wing discourse. On Thu, Jan 20, 2022 at 1:06 PM Hoofd, I.M. (Ingrid) wrote: > Your knee-jerk response is an excellent example of elitist and > false-oppositional ‘left’ thinking that has completely fallen for the > government and big-pharma propaganda, and forgets to think critically about > power structures, knowing very well that right-wing and left-wing, while > also entertaining huge differences, are not pure opposites. Baudet would be > proud of you; he can rake in the spoils. > > Cheers, Ingrid. > > > > > > *From:* Florian Cramer > *Sent:* Thursday, 20 January 2022 13:00 > *To:* Hoofd, I.M. (Ingrid) > *Cc:* nettim...@kein.org > *Subject:* Re: CfP: Critical reflections on pandemic politics: > left-wing, feminist and anti-racist critiques > > > > > - Government propaganda and censorship around lockdown and vaccination > > [...] > > - The role of mass and social media in anti- or pro-lockdown or vaccine > propaganda, political polarization and forms of media virality (eg. via > covid-19 memes) > > [...] > > - Mandatory vaccine rollouts as assaults to the feminist appeal to bodily > autonomy > > [...] > > - Ethical considerations regarding mass experimentation, moral shaming and > lateral citizen surveillance > > [...] > > - Teleological and theological narratives of science as salvation (eg. via > vaccinations) > > > > All beautiful examples of a "Querfront" discourse where extreme right > positions are packaged in left-wing rhetoric. Not a single point, however, > on minorities and vulnerable people and communities endangered by > anti-vaccer egoism, and neo-Darwinist politics - for example in the UK, > Sweden and the Netherlands, of "herd immunity" through survival of the > fittest. > > > > You should invite Dutch experts Willem Engel and Thierry Baudet as keynote > speakers. > > > > -F > > > # distributed via : no commercial use without permission > #is a moderated mailing list for net criticism, > # collaborative text filtering and cultural politics of the nets > # more info: http://mx.kein.org/mailman/listinfo/nettime-l > # archive: http://www.nettime.org contact: nett...@kein.org > # @nettime_bot tweets mail w/ sender unless #ANON is in Subject: # distributed via : no commercial use without permission #is a moderated mailing list for net criticism, # collaborative text filtering and cultural politics of the nets # more info: http://mx.kein.org/mailman/listinfo/nettime-l # archive: http://www.nettime.org contact: nett...@kein.org # @nettime_bot tweets mail w/ sender unless #ANON is in Subject:
