Re: nettime tensions within the bay area elites

2014-05-18 Thread Art McGee
 ...Ben and Jerry's...

The comedic genius Chris Rock, once made a joke that said that men are only
as faithful as their options. The same applies to the ethical standards of
corporations.

Setting aside the fact that in the context of this conversation, our focus
is obviously on large corporations, and not corner bodegas, the difference
between a company like Ben and Jerry's and Google or Facebook is actually
very little. So-called progressive businesses simply use a different form
of manipulation and propaganda to get what they want, because they've found
what they think is a niche market that will bring them a good return on
their investment. To ascribe their seemingly good behavior to actual
goodness or morals is delusional.

 ...that kind of cynicism completely excludes any basis for trying
 to understand high-level  conflicts that really matter, like
 investor-state dispute settlement mechanisms.

No it doesn't. This isn't cynicism, it's basic class struggle. Being
clear about which side you are on and the need for vigilance in
monitoring and regulating power relations is common sense. It's the
ruling elites and liberals who try to trick the rest of us into
believing that we should all relax and hope for good behavior on the
part of the owners or shareholders of these companies. Fuck them. We
need laws. We need regulations. We have to fight. Period. It doesn't
preclude us also using other means to keep power in check, but there
should be no compromise on the baseline.

Like how in the heck does recognizing the basic nature of power and class
preclude the need to understand international treaties?! That in fact would
be one of the core components of a struggle. It's a battle that's local,
national, and international.

You seem to think that in order to engage in all these arenas, I have
to come to the table like some kind of naive and idealistic idiot.
That's a elitist philosophy which has been imposed on the masses. I
prefer to engage the enemy with my eyes wide open.

Art McGee


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Re: nettime tensions within the bay area elites

2014-05-15 Thread Art McGee
 And btw, y'all could still dump your overpriced Mac OS for a nice Linux
 distro anytime!


Hilarious. You are quite the comedian. Unfortunately, on the desktop, OS X
is what Linux wants to be when it grows up.

Now, getting back to the main issue, what is going on here? Facebook is
evil? Google is evil? Seriously?

Who are you people? When did the minds of learned academics and theorists
become infested with such nonsensical religious mythology?

These are corporations operating in a pseudo-Capitalist economic system,
doing exactly what they are supposed to be doing. There is no such thing as
evil in this context, only logical self-interest.

You either regulate their behavior, or they will always do what is natural.
Evil has absolutely nothing to do with it.

These insane attempts to distinguish one corporation from another, and
ascribe to them personalities with ethical traits, is one of the saddest
manifestations of mental illness I have ever seen.

Why do people continue to delude themselves in this manner?

Art McGee




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Re: nettime tensions within the bay area elites

2014-05-15 Thread Art McGee
This is pretty much the best mainstream article summarizing the current
issues with gentrification in SF:

How Burrowing Owls Lead To Vomiting Anarchists (Or SF???s Housing Crisis
Explained)
http://techcrunch.com/2014/04/14/sf-housing/

Art McGee


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