Re: Submission. Technology: The Solution or the problem

[chris mann]

when eisenstein was working on the shooting script for das kapital he was
particularly impressed by chestertons father brown stories because they
introduced the dialectic into popular consciousness.
bests

On 21 February 2018 at 09:03, juana romero 
wrote:

> Hi,
>
> I would like to submit a topic to the listing.
>
> I am working on a project with 6th graders and they have pose the next
> question: Technology, the solution or the problem? Their question points to
> other questions about the survival of humans. They battle between the idea
> that technology has for sure help us to survive and improve as a specie,
> but could also help to destroy us. They are research around the topics of
> A.I, communication advancement, drones and its appliances, robots,
> transportation and other subjects.
>
> I was wondering if anyone has literature about the topic, good for 6th
> grades if possible, or if anyone has interesting thoughts about this topic.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Juana Romero
>
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Re: nettime Pascal Zachary: Rules for the Digital Panopticon (IEEE)

[chris mann]

sure, amateur DIT surveillance defines fb and credit, but lets not forget
the enthused amateur surveillance defining fame. or fashion. or any of
those. (i'm still convinced that the nsa is modelling a new version of
capital..

louis fourteenth enthused about greed as a mechanism for policing the
burgeoning bourgeoisie. hence the legislation for capitalism. or as
althusser, what would the subject be if it wasnt capital?


On 11 October 2013 04:19, Felix Stalder fe...@openflows.com wrote:

 The concept of the panopticon has been very popular ever since Foucault
 elevated it to the rank of a central metaphor for modernity in
 Discipline and Punishment (1975). And the NSA revelations seem to
 confirm its usefulness once again.
 ...


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nettime close to progress

[chris mann]

who woulda guessed, plato socrates kant that lot are now nothing so much as
a smudge at the bottom of an nsa briefing protocol. knowledge language
whatheveyou, that twee old hierarchy where some grammarian invariably knows
better, has finally been liberated. and we did it. and not just as a series
of petty quasi profitable endeavours, but as a bona fide socialist
expression where a fact is a fact for its duration of use, (until, that is,
it becomes surplus to the requirements of the protocols it thought it once
belonged). its perfect engineering. (and its not like we?d ever had much
faith in the the occasionally charming idea of intelligence ..) to have
remade government from a repository of laws into the model definition of
language, is a bureaucratic joy to behold. (joy, noun, as in joy division.
will, like many other words i?m sure, soon be also understandable as a verb
or doing word.. like, like, here, there, government. syria.


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Re: nettime dark days

[chris mann]

more inclined to think that the surveillance state has just obsoleted the
economy as a policing mechanism. not a bad thing. (it allows the imf for
example to declare its own irrelevance.) and unlike the economy, the state
really doesnt care what you think. or say. the state only cares about the
network you say whatever to. so we're back in the network wars. again, not
a bad thing. this looks more like what they used to call a level playing
field.

On 12 June 2013 04:13, Felix Stalder fe...@openflows.com wrote:

 There are dark days, these days. We have the privilege of observing
 different levels of repression working at the same time, ranging from
 blanket surveillance of every electronic communication, to sending
 out riot police to expel civil society and its mainly symbolic
 forms of resistance from public spaces, in London and Istanbul,
 to the Greek Government turning off public television from one
 day to another, under the EU/IMF dictate, which even the IMF has
 admitted to not working. The list could go on and on, including drone
 strikes, austerity politics creating a lost generation across Europe,
 daemonization of hacking ...
 ...


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nettime search

[chris mann]

www.010011.net
aka
www.machineformakingsense.com
aka
www.thetechnologyofquestions.cc

with maybe enough texts to illustrate the argument. more texts would of
course be welcome, so if, please.
ta. much.
meantime, enjoy.
bests





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Re: nettime search

[chris mann]

its a search bar. try 'search'. click on the title of any results. the
underlined words (the original searchterms) are linkable. drag one to
another for a synthesis. you'll also find a sliding bar at the top of each
of these texts. it slides for relevance. link any of the highlighted words.
etect. make notes. post.


On 12 February 2013 09:49, lag...@altern.org wrote:

 sounds very promising. A machine according to my heart

 but could you explain a bit more ?

 chris

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Re: nettime living systems theory [2x]

[chris mann]

my response was to your
.. In general, living systems
process more information than non-living systems, with the possible
exception of computers which have greater information processing
capabilities.

and your
A machine .. carries information (as order).
seems to echo the confusion. the information is only information to other
than the machine. otherwise we would be limited to saying yes. i'm
disappointed enough by the californian flu of agreement not to need it
amplified by my tools.


On 23 January 2013 04:42, John Hopkins jhopk...@neoscenes.net wrote:

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 Date: Tue, 22 Jan 2013 09:20:03 -0700
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 On 1/22/13 07:18, chris mann wrote:
 please, once again, computers process data. not information. they have no
 idea about what theyre doing or why, so it can only be data. computers
 have
 no motivation, no conspiracy, no horizon. therefore no possibility of
 dealing with information.

 As an organized and indivisible expression of a wholistic and continuous
 living system (ours!), through their operation, or even merely their
 maintained presence, they are increasing local entropy, and in that sense
 they are carrying information into the future as long as they are more
 organized than their surroundings. We are not separate from the wider
 system that we are immersed within. If we were, why worry about systemic
 degradations of the ecosystem...? Why worry about consuming energy?
 ...


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