Re: nettime Fwd: e-flux's vision for the .art domain
Dear all, and thanks Andreas for your note What is most problematic about e-flux is not necessary its corporate ambitions, but more so how it disguises a business venture into a philanthropic one (as Andreas also noted). Here the commodity, which is the announcement service is sugar coated as a cultural contribution, which hides its exchange-value. It is no doubt great to hear about biennials in remote places, but only as far as they pay whatever hundred dollars a pop an announcement costs. This is a great example of what Boltanski and Chiapello call the connextionist world where the commodity and the network become inseparable. With every new person signing to receive the announcement, the corporation?s penetration expands and its network solidifies, each recipient is an asset for the company that can further bank on for more requests from galleries, museums etc. Or to put it another way, each recipient is a commodity that the company is selling to organizations that use the service to advertise their programming. What is urgent here is a call for transparency, as Andears also pointed out, and which e-flux is constantly shying away from. While e-flux' model of financial self-sufficiency is definitely interesting -- especially with the non-profit world?s constant reliance on grant making -- but it is hardly unique outside the artworld e.g. the Starbucks or TOMS shoes model of fairness, BP paying for the beautiful installations at Turbine hall, etc, this is now a norm in the post-industrial cultural capitalism. Nevertheless, while maybe e-flux might be a better candidate for the TDL than some others- or not- , yet if the revenues from such venture could go to a public institution that provides funding for the art, it would be more beneficial to the community, if we look a bit further than the lower east side. JSTILL Date: Fri, 10 Aug 2012 08:33:26 +0200 From: broeckm...@leuphana.de To: nettim...@kein.org Subject: Re: nettime Fwd: e-flux's vision for the .art domain john, folks, just to clarify: i forwarded the e-flux announcement to the nettime list to contribute to the ongoing discussion about the topic; i share john's critique of e-flux (and some of these people have names that are well-known in the art world) posing as a community initiative when what they do is run ... # distributed via nettime: no commercial use without permission # nettime is a moderated mailing list for net criticism, # collaborative text filtering and cultural politics of the nets # more info: http://mx.kein.org/mailman/listinfo/nettime-l # archive: http://www.nettime.org contact: nett...@kein.org
Re: nettime Fwd: e-flux's vision for the .art domain
Dear Nettimers, e-flux is a for-profit venture that sells announcements for . exhibitions, events, etc for considerable amounts. The so-called. announcement service is not free and runs an enterprise that like . other similar capitalist ventures funnels some cash into arts and . culture. The threat of venture capitalists claiming the .art is not . that greater than any other organization. Already other top domain . names belong to various other business ventures and other wise. . This is definitely not a Good-Samaritan gesture as is portrayed (oh . a nice little artist run organization in the lower-east side) But . while there is nothing wrong with making $$ in a capitalist society . and e-flux or any other for-profit enterprise can cash in on .art . or any other thing for that matter, what is strange is using a free . platform for a global community of thinkers such as nettime and ask . for their support for a highly profitable financial investment. . If anything, the benefits of such domain going to the public, for . instance NEA in the US (or other similar public organizations . elsewhere) , is indisputable. The least is that the money that . e-flux or any other institution whose .art bid will be taken will go. to artist grants, and support of artistic practices at large. JSTILL Betreff:Our vision for the .art domain, the issues involved, and what is at stake for the art community Datum: Wed, 08 Aug 2012 09:07:06 -0400 Von:e-flux i...@mailer.e-flux.com The .art domain Visit http://www.artdomaincommunity.com to learn more about our vision for the domain, the issues involved, and what is at stake for the art community. Dear Colleagues, As you may already know, e-flux is currently applying for the rights to administer *.art*, one of many forthcoming top-level domain names that ICANN (Internet Corporation for Assigned Names and Numbers) is releasing with the hope of broadening the space of the internet and making it more legible. We have developed a new site: *www.artdomaincommunity.com* http://interspire.e-flux.com/link.php?M=91575N=3322L=6573F=H where you can learn more about our vision for the domain, the issues involved, and what is at stake for the art community. The top-level domains will bring the internet into a completely new era, and this means that managing the .art domain will be a massive responsibility with few historical precedents. *Visit our discussion board* http://interspire.e-flux.com/link.php?M=91575N=3322L=6576F=H to contribute your ideas on what you think the domain of art on the internet should and could be. Among the many parties that have applied to administer .art, e-flux is the only one that represents a vast community of people who make, study, and present art to the global public?and we need your support! To grant the domains, ICANN needs to hear from the community of people who gather around these names. *Between now and August 12, you can submit a public comment http://interspire.e-flux.com/link.php?M=91575N=3322L=6088F=H to ICANN to say why you think e-flux deserves this opportunity.** http://interspire.e-flux.com/link.php?M=91575N=3322L=6088F=H ** http://interspire.e-flux.com/link.php?M=91575N=3322L=6088F=H *The comments will be considered by independent evaluators and will make a real difference. Your endorsement comment can include your name, a link, and a little bit about you or your organization. It could also be a short note on how and why e-flux has been important over the years to you, as an artist, curator, organization, writer, thinker, lover, or practitioner of art. Thank you! e-flux *P.S.* We are profoundly thankful for the numerous endorsements and letters of support we have received so far from museums, art centers, independent and artist-run spaces, academies, publications, galleries, international professional associations, and individual artists, curators, and critics. # distributed via nettime: no commercial use without permission # nettime is a moderated mailing list for net criticism, # collaborative text filtering and cultural politics of the nets # more info: http://mx.kein.org/mailman/listinfo/nettime-l # archive: http://www.nettime.org contact: nett...@kein.org # distributed via nettime: no commercial use without permission # nettime is a moderated mailing list for net criticism, # collaborative text filtering and cultural politics of the nets # more info: http://mx.kein.org/mailman/listinfo/nettime-l # archive: http://www.nettime.org contact: nett...@kein.org
Re: nettime Fwd: e-flux's vision for the .art domain
john, folks, just to clarify: i forwarded the e-flux announcement to the nettime list to contribute to the ongoing discussion about the topic; i share john's critique of e-flux (and some of these people have names that are well-known in the art world) posing as a community initiative when what they do is run a business that, in a way that is as curious as it is problematic, mixes financial, social and artistic interests. (coming to think of it: maybe this situation is a good opportunity to ask our community leaders at e-flux about our community's financial situation? ;-) however, if there is any real benefit to be gained from running the .art domain, it may well be that e-flux might still be easier to talk to by people from the art scenes, than other candidates for the TLD might be. i'm guessing and am not really too interested because, somewhat like olia, i believe that the .art addresses will mostly be in the .kitsch domain. regards, -a # distributed via nettime: no commercial use without permission # nettime is a moderated mailing list for net criticism, # collaborative text filtering and cultural politics of the nets # more info: http://mx.kein.org/mailman/listinfo/nettime-l # archive: http://www.nettime.org contact: nett...@kein.org
nettime Fwd: e-flux's vision for the .art domain
Betreff: Our vision for the .art domain, the issues involved, and what is at stake for the art community Datum: Wed, 08 Aug 2012 09:07:06 -0400 Von:e-flux i...@mailer.e-flux.com The .art domain Visit http://www.artdomaincommunity.com to learn more about our vision for the domain, the issues involved, and what is at stake for the art community. Dear Colleagues, As you may already know, e-flux is currently applying for the rights to administer *.art*, one of many forthcoming top-level domain names that ICANN (Internet Corporation for Assigned Names and Numbers) is releasing with the hope of broadening the space of the internet and making it more legible. We have developed a new site: *www.artdomaincommunity.com* http://interspire.e-flux.com/link.php?M=91575N=3322L=6573F=H where you can learn more about our vision for the domain, the issues involved, and what is at stake for the art community. The top-level domains will bring the internet into a completely new era, and this means that managing the .art domain will be a massive responsibility with few historical precedents. *Visit our discussion board* http://interspire.e-flux.com/link.php?M=91575N=3322L=6576F=H to contribute your ideas on what you think the domain of art on the internet should and could be. Among the many parties that have applied to administer .art, e-flux is the only one that represents a vast community of people who make, study, and present art to the global public—and we need your support! To grant the domains, ICANN needs to hear from the community of people who gather around these names. *Between now and August 12, you can submit a public comment http://interspire.e-flux.com/link.php?M=91575N=3322L=6088F=H to ICANN to say why you think e-flux deserves this opportunity.** http://interspire.e-flux.com/link.php?M=91575N=3322L=6088F=H ** http://interspire.e-flux.com/link.php?M=91575N=3322L=6088F=H *The comments will be considered by independent evaluators and will make a real difference. Your endorsement comment can include your name, a link, and a little bit about you or your organization. It could also be a short note on how and why e-flux has been important over the years to you, as an artist, curator, organization, writer, thinker, lover, or practitioner of art. Thank you! e-flux *P.S.* We are profoundly thankful for the numerous endorsements and letters of support we have received so far from museums, art centers, independent and artist-run spaces, academies, publications, galleries, international professional associations, and individual artists, curators, and critics. # distributed via nettime: no commercial use without permission # nettime is a moderated mailing list for net criticism, # collaborative text filtering and cultural politics of the nets # more info: http://mx.kein.org/mailman/listinfo/nettime-l # archive: http://www.nettime.org contact: nett...@kein.org
