Re: The Five Minutes App

[Morlock Elloi]

As the technology gets more advanced, the dominant class will direct it 
closer and closer to the primary physiological interfaces with no 
possibility of mediation.


It's called virtual reality. Nothing new about it - these are decades 
old and supposed to depict dystopia, but "dys" became "u":


http://www.puremovies.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2015/12/a-clockwork-orange-puremovies-620x299.jpg

http://cmulrooney.tripod.com/russelltommy3.jpg




On 8/4/17, 2:07, Magnus Boman wrote:

Restating what you call obvious in hype terms: on the voice app market,
Amazon's Alexa is leading the race and this market is estimated to
 billions, with Google and Microsoft tailing.
This is sold as getting rid of the keyboard and mouse, which surely
never were much good to us for communication human-to-human, but it is
again the "scarcity" you mention: a phone being used for voice, imagine
that, with almost all of its capabilities dormant. (This time the phone
has a hard disk though, so we _will_ be logged.) The Luddite dimension
is added to by Amazon paying voice app developers in cash. Stealth retro
tech dev paid by the world's richest man in paper money!


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Re: The Five Minutes App

[Magnus Boman]

Restating what you call obvious in hype terms: on the voice app market,
Amazon's Alexa is leading the race and this market is estimated to  billions, with Google and Microsoft tailing. This is
sold as getting rid of the keyboard and mouse, which surely never were much
good to us for communication human-to-human, but it is again the "scarcity"
you mention: a phone being used for voice, imagine that, with almost all of
its capabilities dormant. (This time the phone has a hard disk though, so
we _will_ be logged.) The Luddite dimension is added to by Amazon paying
voice app developers in cash. Stealth retro tech dev paid by the world's
richest man in paper money!
M.

On Wed, Aug 2, 2017 at 9:30 AM Morlock Elloi  wrote:

> Obvious but needs pointing out:
>
> (Re)assigning a value to the act of communicating by introducing the
> scarcity (and therefore the cost) could be the key shift (pun intended)
> in making the content valuable on the massive scale.
>
> When communicating in person this is implicit - there is a material cost
> to producing the voice and keeping the relevant bodies in required
> proximity. The fact that tele-communication is, paradoxically, 'free' is
> consequently de-valuing the content. And no, humans are not smart enough
> to triage the content just based on content.
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Re: The Five Minutes App

[Morlock Elloi]

Obvious but needs pointing out:

(Re)assigning a value to the act of communicating by introducing the 
scarcity (and therefore the cost) could be the key shift (pun intended) 
in making the content valuable on the massive scale.


When communicating in person this is implicit - there is a material cost 
to producing the voice and keeping the relevant bodies in required 
proximity. The fact that tele-communication is, paradoxically, 'free' is 
consequently de-valuing the content. And no, humans are not smart enough 
to triage the content just based on content.


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Re: The Five Minutes App

[John Hopkins]

One of the reasons that the Internet quickly took off in the US was the 
existence of toll/charge-free local phone calling unlike in most/all of Europe 
in the late 80s early 90s. That and the concept of the '800' number whichcould 
be called from anywhere in the US with no charge. This made constant internet 
connectivity easily affordable and standard for most locations. Local telephone 
connections were so cheap that it wasn't hard to afford a complete second 
telecom line to be used exclusively for a dial-up modem connection to the'net.


I recall in Europe before the wide-spread divestiture of the national telecoms 
that any calling, local or long-distance had a per-minute charge that was 
frustrating and stressful. When I was based in Iceland, calls to the US cost 
upwards of U$D 6.50 *per minute*! One had to plan calls accordingly. 'Free' fax 
access of any kind was coveted!


These two very different initial conditions made for divergent practices early 
on. Amurikans had the luxury of constant connectivity, the Euro crowd were on an 
expensive meter.


I don't remember the year that the first free local telecom connections started 
up in Europe -- I think Berlin was the initial city in Germany in perhaps 
1996-7? -- where local calling came free with the 'regular' monthly service fee. 
That was a revolution! I suppose there are others here who could comment in more 
detail on that wave. (Udo Noll, are you here on nettime? I remember the first 
time we met in Köln in 1996 at your company Digital Online Media, a local 
internet access company -- I was so thankful for a 'normal' connection inyour 
offices there, what I was used to in the US, at least.) Back then, I was based 
in the Nordic countries mostly, although I did a lot of guest teaching in 
central Europe at the time, along with random time in the US.


When doing a month-long residency at the Muthesium Kunst Hochschule in Kiel, in 
1996- or 7, running a workshop 'networking and creativity' or such, the building 
with the computer lab did *not* have an internet connection -- so when inquiries 
were made of Deutsche Telekom to activate the connection (almost literally 
flicking a switch in the main building, the cabling was already installedfrom 
the main building to the lab building). DT wanted something like 15K Dmarks for 
the 'service' -- such was their monopoly position!


cheers,
John

On 01/Aug/17 18:03, Yvette Johnson wrote:

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Re: The Five Minutes App

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Morlock Elloi  writes:

> What would one do if one had only 5 minutes of Internet access per
> day? What would be the priorities? How would the life look like? How
> would one prepare for those 5 minutes? Would it be a ritual?

Back in the day we really had 5 minutes a day. Indeed, it was a ritual
to download and upload as much as possible to then view/reply offline.

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Re: The Five Minutes App

[Adam Burns]

On 01/08/17 18:16, Morlock Elloi wrote:
> What would one do if one had only 5 minutes of Internet access per
> day? What would be the priorities? How would the life look like? How
> would one prepare for those 5 minutes? Would it be a ritual?
>
> Maybe an app that allows Internet access only 5 minutes per day? No
> configurations, no settings. The Five Minute App.

 It's for you ... it's nethistory calling. UUCP for email and news
feeds and file transfers and ...




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The Five Minutes App

[Morlock Elloi]

What would one do if one had only 5 minutes of Internet access per day? 
What would be the priorities? How would the life look like? How would 
one prepare for those 5 minutes? Would it be a ritual?


Maybe an app that allows Internet access only 5 minutes per day? No 
configurations, no settings. The Five Minute App.


Trivial to design. It should cost around $20 (the free version would be 
the 30 Minutes App.)

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