Re: nettime NSA-spying-on-Europe outrage somewhat disingenuous
Heiko, great that you pointed out to this legal brief which is a fantastic, albeit a bit heavy legal read. The Dr. Herzog, Dr. Hesse, Dr. Katzenstein, Dr. Niemeyer, Dr. Heußner, Niedermaier, Dr. Henschelbrief, Bamford's early revelations in the form of books and of course Nicky Hager's Secret Power are the first steps of clarity on the long path of discovery that for now ends with Snowden. And hey, Bamford even exposed Prism (without naming it...) in his article in Wired last year, and the reaction of the wider public and politicians everywhere was more or less crickets There were clear signs that this is happening, from Room 641a on Folsom street in San Francisco (whistleblower Mark Klein) to the Pointdexter dissapeared TIA, which we now know what codenames it evolved into And we are talking only about the West here. Russia and China have of course their own methods and technologies and sometimes buy equipment from the very same companies as the NSA...so does the rest of the world with enough cash and spook cache From the mid 90's on we have done extensive work on these topics, including analyzing and implementing the nicely written Australian Communications Interception Act of 1979 and its amendment of 1997, which of course got a new world face in the recent developments that are completely consistent with the UKUSA (AUS/CAN/NZ) strategic alliance. \ See: http://info.publicintelligence.net/AU-NatSecInquiry.pdf. The problem here is that SIGINT and COMINT technology and methods have of course traveled their exponential trajectory, that is being generated in the RD labs of Narus (now Boeing...) (http://www.narus.com/), Verint (http://verint.com/) and similar companies and even university labs (of course) check out the lovely generic websites. And yes, it is rather ironic that there is so much surprise after Spiegel published the facts that Campbell and even the European Parliament have already exposed to the European public long time ago. Network warfare is slowly showing its material contours and everybody is suddenly (again) surprised. I always resort to bard Dylan in such times At midnight all the agents And the superhuman crew Come out and round up everyone That knows more than they do Then they bring them to the factory Where the heart-attack machine Is strapped across their shoulders And then the kerosene Is brought down from the castles By insurance men who go Check to see that nobody is escaping To Desolation Row. And turn on the receivers Mx # distributed via nettime: no commercial use without permission # nettime is a moderated mailing list for net criticism, # collaborative text filtering and cultural politics of the nets # more info: http://mx.kein.org/mailman/listinfo/nettime-l # archive: http://www.nettime.org contact: nett...@kein.org
Re: nettime NSA-spying-on-Europe outrage somewhat disingenuous
Exactly at the tricky juncture of final negotiations for a comprehensive trade agreement between US and EU (remember - it's the economy, stupid!), the US government has probably more to explain than it ever be able to. Sortof comeback of Churchill's quip on the Balkans, whose problem was that they produce far more history than they possibly can consume... There are MANY actors who stand to gain and lose with the EU/US trade agreement one cannot eliminate the possibility of subterfuge arising from this (I suspect that the military-industrial actors are in a complex dance of power in this situation, not to mention many others...). But I think these are merely evidences of more wide-scaled power struggles between a waning superpower and other rising/shifting power centers that are re-aligning themselves to changing conditions. JH -- ++ Dr. John Hopkins, BSc, MFA, PhD beobachten das Tao, anstatt gerade die Dow vom Umfang der Ostsee +49 (0)171 911 4695 (until 04 July) http://neoscenes.net/ http://tech-no-mad.net/blog/ ++ # distributed via nettime: no commercial use without permission # nettime is a moderated mailing list for net criticism, # collaborative text filtering and cultural politics of the nets # more info: http://mx.kein.org/mailman/listinfo/nettime-l # archive: http://www.nettime.org contact: nett...@kein.org
Re: nettime NSA-spying-on-Europe outrage somewhat disingenuous
Yes, line item 82 is somewhat crucial and surprising in its explanation...(if you are no cynical...) But as you pointed out, this happened in the 80's and you could find similar cases all over the legal systems of s.c. democracies up to today. Here in the US, more than half of the public opinion does not care much about the fact that all of our communications and patterns are being gathered and stored...it is an incredible reaction. Half of the public opinion is completely buying into the security argumentation and the necessity of this becoming a fact that we should simply live with or is not even aware of it and thinks, as the President, that Snowden is a hacker. It is an unimaginable prospect that this is the case, but it is. The problem of Europe is that it has allowed this to happen all along, and the surprise is still somewhat bewildering, although more than necessary. And Europe has if i am not mistaken UK as part of the Union. That says it all as far as UKUSA is concerned. It was probably the GCHQ who facilitated the bugging of the Brussels chambers...why wouldn't they, they have a special relationship. Yes, Holy Smokes, it is really happening. What now? Check out the lovely former representative of the people Jane Harman. http://www.pbs.org/newshour/bb/government_programs/jan-june13/nsadebate_06-10.html I think this is one of the many little insights into the current state of balkanized hyperproduction (thank you Patrice for reminding us of Chruchill) of history. And Heiko, there are alternatives, and more will emerge. They are slower and slower paced, maybe this is what this world needs before it finally sinks into the Anthropocene oblivion. Mx The trade agreement is for sure part of the ecology, but the fact On 7/2/13 9:22 AM, Heiko Recktenwald wrote: Am 02.07.2013 07:28, schrieb Marko Peljhan: Heiko, great that you pointed out to this legal brief which is a fantastic, albeit a bit heavy legal read. Well, it is a decision by the German Federal Constitutional Court and I think the case shows that it is basically all very trivial. We cannot paint the world, we have to take it as it is. And it is completely ridiculous to expect anything in it to change so far. Thats the nature ... # distributed via nettime: no commercial use without permission # nettime is a moderated mailing list for net criticism, # collaborative text filtering and cultural politics of the nets # more info: http://mx.kein.org/mailman/listinfo/nettime-l # archive: http://www.nettime.org contact: nett...@kein.org
Re: nettime NSA-spying-on-Europe outrage somewhat disingenuous
On 07/02/2013 08:32 PM, Marko Peljhan wrote: Here in the US, more than half of the public opinion does not care much about the fact that all of our communications and patterns are being gathered and stored...it is an incredible reaction. Ah ha, but the beauty is in the other half, no? I mean, don't get me wrong, whenever I hear anyone of any nationality accepting massive surveillance as a fait accompli or worse, a necessity, I not only despise them but also feel dark pessimism deep in my bones. However the mainstream since 2011 is divided, the other half - which percent I am not sure - has an increasingly good basic knowledge of what's happening and is increasingly against it. Traveling around the world, Claire and I used to be impressed how much more just about anybody we would meet in the former East or Latin America knew about the global hierarchy than our fellow Americans. Well, it is still true, but thanks to hacker and other efforts - and thanks to the visible naked power and greed of said hierarchy - things are changing. I just say, let's change them some more. Nobody has to to teach you all how to be disabused, nor how to put out the facts and the perspectives that give facts meaning. Onward, then. best, Brian-the cup-at-least-has-something-in-it,-no?-Holmes # distributed via nettime: no commercial use without permission # nettime is a moderated mailing list for net criticism, # collaborative text filtering and cultural politics of the nets # more info: http://mx.kein.org/mailman/listinfo/nettime-l # archive: http://www.nettime.org contact: nett...@kein.org
Re: nettime NSA-spying-on-Europe outrage somewhat disingenuous
Well recounted, Armin. In 2000, the ex-head of the CIA, James Woolsey, crowed about industrial espionage in response to Duncan Campbell's EP report Interception Capabilities, asserting all countries do it: http://cryptome.org/echelon-cia.htm Campbell's report: http://cryptome.org/jya/ic2000.zip (981KB) Campbell's was the last of four for the EP entitled Development of Surveillance Technology and Risk of Abuse of Economic Information: http://cryptome.org/dst-1.htm http://cryptome.org/dst-2.htm http://cryptome.org/dst-3.htm These evolved from the groundbreaking 1998 report for the EP by Steven Wright, An Appraisal of the Technologies of Political Control: http://cryptome.org/stoa-atpc.htm # distributed via nettime: no commercial use without permission # nettime is a moderated mailing list for net criticism, # collaborative text filtering and cultural politics of the nets # more info: http://mx.kein.org/mailman/listinfo/nettime-l # archive: http://www.nettime.org contact: nett...@kein.org
