Re: different icons if internet is available
On Sat, 2007-05-19 at 09:29 +, yelo_3 wrote: I didn't understand the first probelm. And why are you talking about spyware? Because rightly or wrongly, it's going to be the immediate reaction of a lot of people if you put code into an application that causes it to periodically access arbitrary machines out on the internet. People get very paranoid over what information the program might be reporting. Simon. signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part ___ NetworkManager-list mailing list NetworkManager-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/networkmanager-list
Re: different icons if internet is available
On Sat, 2007-05-19 at 11:59 +, yelo_3 wrote: Maybe http connect would be the most complete choice between the 3 you gave But I'm still wondering how this is implemented in windows.. if you can be http connected with gnome.org you are quite sure you can at least http connect to the most internet sites (unless your firewall/proxy is configured to let you connect only to this, so it might be a solution to not only check gnome.org, but other sites too - maybe your distribution site), except filtered hosts. Again, I suppose that if gnome.org and your-distribution.org are reachable this means that your admin has not blocked the access to most web pages... What do you think? No solution for p2p or IM in my mind, suggestions accepted. Anyway my ISP is blocking MAIL and hily limiting p2p flows, but this does not mean that I'm not connected to the internet, does it? For sure your ISP is censoring some web pages even if you don't know, but you are on internet too! The definition of being on internet is definitely not easy... But it is possible to make suppositions. This is my opinion Captive portals for Wifi also make this really, really hard. I'm not necessarily opposed to it, but I feel like it's something that shouldn't be in NM itself, but in a plugin of some sort so people can use it if they want to. The problem with this sort of check is that it makes various people really angry. It makes admins angry, because it's essentially (to them) useless traffic, and what happens when you have 100 machines with NM on them with this enabled? It makes some users angry because NM is generating useless (to them) traffic because they already know. It's also a really hard problem to determine if you actually _are_ on the internet due to captive portals, firewalls, NATs, etc. So in the end, it shouldn't be on by default. Dan What is yours? Thank you. - Messaggio originale - Da: Nikolaus Filus [EMAIL PROTECTED] A: network manager networkmanager-list@gnome.org Inviato: Sabato 19 maggio 2007, 13:31:33 Oggetto: Re: different icons if internet is available Hi, yelo_3 wrote: I've implemented the most code, except the function that decides if internet is available or not. In fact I'm thinking of this problem. http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=439310 an isolated network access cannot of course reach the most internet locations we could discuss on this... for instance in might be: internet on if ubuntu.com and gnome.org are reachable otherwise internet off. Of course it is not a complete solution, it is only a try. what do you mean by gnome.org is reachable - is it, if you can 1) dns lookup www.gnome.org 2) ICMP echo www.gnome.org 3) http connect www.gnome.org so what if 1) there is a firewall or 2) a transparent proxy in between and you get a positive answer for one of the above tests or only some filtered hosts? The user would see internet is on, but his IM, p2p, mail or anything else doesn't work as suspected. Yes, I'm also annoyed, that beeing connected through NM and cisco VPN my gaim/pidgin thinks it can connect to its servers and shows error popups all the time. But at the same time, I don't see a general-purpose solution for the problem. Just my 2 ยข Nikolaus ___ NetworkManager-list mailing list NetworkManager-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/networkmanager-list ___ L'email della prossima generazione? Puoi averla con la nuova Yahoo! Mail: http://it.docs.yahoo.com/nowyoucan.html ___ NetworkManager-list mailing list NetworkManager-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/networkmanager-list ___ NetworkManager-list mailing list NetworkManager-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/networkmanager-list
Re: Some various thoughts on PPP
On Fri, 2007-05-18 at 14:27 +0300, Tambet Ingo wrote: On 5/18/07, Ulrik Mikaelsson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: One of the things that eludes me though; how exactly are you envisioning the NM-dialing-connection process? From what I understand, you're planning to have NM itself dial, and then hand-over the connection to pppd, linked in to NM? Will this be carried out in a separate process, with DBUS-connection to the main process? Is this somehow supporting the desire to keep network-configuration centralized within the distribution, or will it require configuration separate from, say /etc/ppp/peers? NM uses a new device NMDeviceModem to dial out (in process) and starts pppd process. The dbus interface will remain the same as for all the other devices, just the activation structure will contain modem and ppp specific data. If we want (and probably do), we can add a new dbus interface for dialup devices (just like wired and wireless devices have their own device specific interface in addition to the standard device interface) that has additional status signals for better progress reporting (like, initializing modem, dialing, ...). pppd process will emit dbus signals (with help from a pppd plugin) so NM knows what's going on. That is yet not all, it also turns out HAL doesn't have any notion of modems so the best we can do for now is to get a list of HAL devices with capability serial and try to send some modem initialization strings and see if they respond. That is for the serial devices that actually show up in HAL at all. Most of the thinkpads have a modem that only works with proprietary HSF modem driver and these do not show up in HAL at all. Well, perhaps there's another quirk to it, as far as I understand, many modems expose several devices, for different uses. Especially, the GRPS-datacard I tested had three of them, one for the ppp-connection, one for chatting with the card simultaneously with the connection, querying signal strength and such, and one for to me unknown purposes. Somehow we'll gotta figure which is which. :) Yeah, this is unfortunate. Pretty much identical to the wireless situation until wpa_supplicant provided us with a standard interface. I guess for each of these multi-device card we'll have to write a NMDeviceModem subclass, ugh. Most broadband cards I've seen have the first serial interface be the actual data interface. But that's not really helpful. We may have to create HAL fdi files to tell HAL about the different broadband cards and phones and such. But I think this can live in HAL, and we can just have the .fdi files assign a property to the device to tag it as one we can/should use, including the serial interface we care about. Dan ___ NetworkManager-list mailing list NetworkManager-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/networkmanager-list
Re: different icons if internet is available
I wouldn't mind a different icon for I hear wifi networks. I.e., when I'm not connected but NM hears wifi, it could show a different icon than when I'm disconnected and it DOESN'T hear wifi. THAT would be useful to me. -derek Quoting Dan Williams [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Captive portals for Wifi also make this really, really hard. I'm not necessarily opposed to it, but I feel like it's something that shouldn't be in NM itself, but in a plugin of some sort so people can use it if they want to. The problem with this sort of check is that it makes various people really angry. It makes admins angry, because it's essentially (to them) useless traffic, and what happens when you have 100 machines with NM on them with this enabled? It makes some users angry because NM is generating useless (to them) traffic because they already know. It's also a really hard problem to determine if you actually _are_ on the internet due to captive portals, firewalls, NATs, etc. So in the end, it shouldn't be on by default. Dan -- Derek Atkins, SB '93 MIT EE, SM '95 MIT Media Laboratory Member, MIT Student Information Processing Board (SIPB) URL: http://web.mit.edu/warlord/PP-ASEL-IA N1NWH [EMAIL PROTECTED]PGP key available ___ NetworkManager-list mailing list NetworkManager-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/networkmanager-list
configure network manager for Option HSDPA Card
Hi, I've got my Option HSDPA Card to work on Ubuntu, following the instructions on http://mybroadband.co.za/vb/printthread.php?t=21726. Not knowing very much about networks, I was wondering whether I could use network manager to handle this connection, by configuring a manual modem. The settings in the wvdial.conf at the above address has the following HSDPA settings: [Dialer Defaults] Phone = *99***1# Username = username Password = password Stupid Mode = 1 Dial Command = ATDT [Dialer pin] Init1 = AT+CPIN=1234 [Dialer option_hsdpa] Modem = /dev/noz0 Baud = 460800 Init2 = ATZ Init3 = ATQ0 V1 E1 S0=0 C1 D2 +FCLASS=0 ISDN = 0 Modem Type = Analog Modem Any ideas? Cheers, Nico ___ NetworkManager-list mailing list NetworkManager-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/networkmanager-list
Re: configure network manager for Option HSDPA Card
On 5/20/07, Nico Jabin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, I've got my Option HSDPA Card to work on Ubuntu, following the instructions on http://mybroadband.co.za/vb/printthread.php?t=21726. Not knowing very much about networks, I was wondering whether I could use network manager to handle this connection, by configuring a manual modem. The settings in the wvdial.conf at the above address has the following HSDPA settings: [Dialer Defaults] Phone = *99***1# Username = username Password = password Stupid Mode = 1 Dial Command = ATDT [Dialer pin] Init1 = AT+CPIN=1234 [Dialer option_hsdpa] Modem = /dev/noz0 Baud = 460800 Init2 = ATZ Init3 = ATQ0 V1 E1 S0=0 C1 D2 +FCLASS=0 ISDN = 0 Modem Type = Analog Modem Any ideas? Cheers, Nico At this time NM does not support PPP though it is being actively worked on. I have a GSM card as well and until NM supports it I stop NM and then use GRPSEC to connect. ___ NetworkManager-list mailing list NetworkManager-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/networkmanager-list
Re: Request for ergonomy feature
On 5/19/07, Joan B. Moreau [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: hello, If we have to go into the console to delete some configuration file, the whole point of the applet is over (confort for the users, otherwise, iwconfig works always ;-) What is the decision about the menu item to scan for new networks rather than triggering the scan when the user click on the applet ? THanks Joan Joan, this thread has a long discussion that subject that may answer your question: http://thread.gmane.org/gmane.linux.network.networkmanager.devel/6270/focus=6274 ___ NetworkManager-list mailing list NetworkManager-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/networkmanager-list
