Re: [ANNOUNCE] ModemManager (for GSM and CDMA)
Am Do 31 Jul 2008 17:10:57 CEST schrieb Tambet Ingo [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Q: What does it have to do with NetworkManager? A: NetworkManager will use ModemManager instead of current basic code in the future. Great. Which changes will be needed for NM frontends? Are there any drastic API changes or do the settings need refactoring? Thanks, Helmut ___ NetworkManager-list mailing list NetworkManager-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/networkmanager-list
Re: [ANNOUNCE] ModemManager (for GSM and CDMA)
On Fri, Aug 1, 2008 at 8:59 AM, Helmut Schaa [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Which changes will be needed for NM frontends? Are there any drastic API changes or do the settings need refactoring? First of all, this all will happen after 0.7 release. There are no NetworkManager API changes, but we'll need to add new methods and signals to the modem devices to use the new functionality. The settings already contain all the required fields (some of which are currently not used by NM). Tambet ___ NetworkManager-list mailing list NetworkManager-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/networkmanager-list
Re: [ANNOUNCE] ModemManager (for GSM and CDMA)
On Fri, Aug 1, 2008 at 12:30 AM, Roberto Majadas [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm Roberto Majadas (mobile-manager developer). I was reading your spec about modem-manager. It's really interesting but i think you are trying to implement the same thing that we've implementated. Mobile Manager has a public and documentated Dbus API[1]. It support many features like pin/puk management, device and status information, plug play support, device plugin system At the moment we support this devices : - Huawei - Option - Nozomi - Sierra - Novatel - Usb devices - Bluetooth devices And in the future we'll support more devices. About the programming language that should be written a daemon. Yeah C it's a good option in fact (i'm C programmer). But there are many, many, many situations easier to resolve using python in this case. The GPRS/3G devices sometimes are evils ;), belive me, i was working on it the last two years :). In this way MobileManager only depends of python, python-dbus and python-gobject (5-10Mb in memory) At the moment we use wdial to establish the ppp connection but we can change it and use NM ppp system. We are open to talk everything and we are open to colaborate ;) Again, all this work has been done to support other modem driving solutions (like mobile-manager). There were two missing pieces: It wasn't possible to use other languages than C before, which is solved by writing code to NetworkManager to talk to modems over dbus. Another thing that was missing was the dbus API. Now that is defined as well (but is open for changes). There are other (from mobile-manager) interested parties and everyone has their own API. NM shouldn't try to implement all of them, so we needed to define something that everyone can target. ModemManager that I just announced is just one implementer. As you say, it takes time to write a good one, and using existing programs (which need to adapt the API changes, or just provide another set of API to be integrated with NM) we have a complete solution today. The way to collaborate (to integrate with NM) is to try to implement the API I've defined, and give me feedback on what should change there. Tambet ___ NetworkManager-list mailing list NetworkManager-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/networkmanager-list
Re: [ANNOUNCE] ModemManager (for GSM and CDMA)
It looks like I did terrible job explaining _why_ I wrote ModemManager. Let me try again. Where were we before ModemManager. The current state in NetworkManager 0.7 is that we have the absolute minimum support for modems to claim that we support modems. There are a couple of advanced solution out there (mobile-manager, vmc, umtsmon) that do much better job and have many more features. Multiple people contacted us asking if we could integrate their solution, each with different API. How to solve that? Given that the existing mobile applications were written in other languages than C, it became clear we need an out of process design for modems. So DBus was chosen. The next obstacle is that each existing solution has it's own API. The solution I chose for this is to define a common API that NetworkManager uses and any project that wants to be integrated, can implement two simple interfaces. I felt it was a better choice than using any of the existing APIs to not make anyone feel left out. Why did I write ModemManager? I'm no a genius and can't define API without trying to use it. Therefore, I needed something to test on. ModemManager is very little apart from the newly defined DBus interface plus the modem handling code from NetworkManager. So it's not like I've made huge investments trying to reimplement a wheel (or existing projects). Where are we now? I wrote the code for NetworkManager to support out of processes modem handling API. It's in 'ModemManager' branch in the NetworkManager's SVN tree. We have a clear answer to any project that wants to integrate with NetworkManager. Do I keep working on ModemManager? Yes. As long as existing solution can be used with NetworkManager, I feel like I've solved the main goal. If my pet project doesn't succeed, there's no great loss. If it does, it gives me (and possibly others) more choice. If there are two backends, one written in python and one in C and both do the job for me, I'd choose the C one. Other people, depending on their specific hardware, beliefs or what not, might choose the other. Does it make sense? Tambet On Thu, Jul 31, 2008 at 6:10 PM, Tambet Ingo [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Announcing ModemManager. It's a standalone DBus system service to provide a common API to communicate with broadband modems. It is derived from the modem handling code from NetworkManager and in addition to DBus API, it adds more operations (scanning, signal quality, changing network mode, band, ...). It is easy to extend by having a plugin system to provide drivers for non standard operations. There is currently one plugin implemented for Huawei cards. It's fully functional and can be used as an example to write plugins for other cards (hint! hint!). Some QA Q: Where can I get it? A: git clone git://gitorious.org/modemmanager/mainline.git modemmanager Q: What does it have to do with NetworkManager? A: NetworkManager will use ModemManager instead of current basic code in the future. Q: Can I see it in action? A: Yes! I've ported NM to use it already, but haven't exposed any of the new functionality in the UI. The fully working branch can be downloaded from the NetworkManager SVN branch: svn co svn+ssh://[EMAIL PROTECTED]/svn/NetworkManager/branches/modem-manager NetworkManager-mm [or using anonymous svn] svn co http://svn.gnome.org/svn/NetworkManage/branches/modem-manager NetworkManager-mm Q: Why? A: There have been some requests to integrate some existing mobile programs with NM (vodafone, telefonica) and it's never been easier: All that needs to happen is to implement the same public DBus API and NM will use that instead. A2: The current modem handling code in NM is very basic, and supporting non standard operations and cards is pretty much impossible without total reorganization. Well, ModemManager is the reorganization. Q: You lied, it doesn't support signal monitoring while connected! A: No, it just means it's a non standard feature and needs a card specific plugin which isn't written for your card yet. Q: Is there any documentation available for it? A: Yes, pass a --with-docs argument to the configure and it'll create docs/spec.html which is the DBus API reference. There's also some information in the README file. Q: Can I write a plugin for my own card? A: Yes! Take a look at plugins/ directory to see the Huawei plugin, it should be pretty easy to write new ones based on that. Q: I think I've found a bug. A: Great! let me (tambet /at/ gmail.com for now) know. Extra points if you can provide a patch! Q: You API sucks! A: If there's something you'd like to change, either to add new methods or to modify the existing ones, let me know, it's not set in the stone. Tambet ___ NetworkManager-list mailing list NetworkManager-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/networkmanager-list
Network Manager fails to connect to a network when a static IP is in use
Hi, I suppose I found a problem concerning Network Manager. I have a laptop which connects via WIFI to a small home network. The laptop runs openSUSE 11.0: uname --all Linux portatilgris 2.6.25.11-0.1-pae #1 SMP 2008-07-13 20:48:28 +0200 i686 i686 i386 GNU/Linux WIFI hardware is Intel 3945ABG. Laptop make is HP 530. Network Manager Applet ver. 0.7.0 The laptop needs a static IP in order to have access to a fileserver. When I try to configure static IP address with a help of Gnome Network Manager Applet, I cannot connect to the network then. It looks like the Network Manager fails to write a proper DNS address into resolv file. To be more specific, the file it writes is empty. The same happens when I try to configure static IP address via Yast. The only workaround of the problem I found is to choose ifup as a network manager for the laptop. It is also very annoying that it takes several second for the Network Manager to connect to a network. It is very sad because previous version of the Netwok Manager seems to connect much faster to the same network. Is there any solution to the Network Manager problem or do I have to use ifup? Regards Sebastian. ___ NetworkManager-list mailing list NetworkManager-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/networkmanager-list
Re: Network Manager fails to connect to a network when a static IP is in use
On Fri, Aug 1, 2008 at 1:18 PM, Sebastian [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The laptop needs a static IP in order to have access to a fileserver. When I try to configure static IP address with a help of Gnome Network Manager Applet, I cannot connect to the network then. It looks like the Network Manager fails to write a proper DNS address into resolv file. To be more specific, the file it writes is empty. Could you please be more specific describing how you did that? Could you try to create a new connection, fill in all the information there and make a note of each step? Also, please attach the NM log file (/var/log/NetworkManager) of the time when you try to activate the newly created connection and fails to produce usable /etc/resolv.conf. The same happens when I try to configure static IP address via Yast. Static IP configuration from yast is in a terrible state. The main cause of this is that when you configure DNS information in yast, it only saves it in /etc/resolv.conf. That means that if you use NM with DHCP on any device, the information filled with yast is lost forever. There are hacky work arounds to make it possible, but if you use NetworkManager on suse, I'd suggest to remove all the network device configuration in yast and use NM exclusively. (and yes, we are trying to improve the situation). It is also very annoying that it takes several second for the Network Manager to connect to a network. It is very sad because previous version of the Netwok Manager seems to connect much faster to the same network. This is more likely caused by the new driver for your card (opensuse 10.3 had a different driver from 11.0). Tambet ___ NetworkManager-list mailing list NetworkManager-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/networkmanager-list
Support for adding /etc/hosts entries
It would be great if it would be possible to add hosts entries to /etc/hosts based on the network we're connected to. I'd see it as additional tab in the network configuration. What do you think about that? Shouldn't be too difficult and really usable. Cheers -- Michal Sawicz [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ NetworkManager-list mailing list NetworkManager-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/networkmanager-list
Re: Network Manager fails to connect to a network when a static IP is in use
Wouldent a better solution be to configure your DHCP server to give the laptop the correct address rather than use static IP address on the laptop. To do this create a subnet clause in dhcpd.conf with a: hardware ethernet 0:0:c0:5d:bd:95; Clause in it. Then you dont need to change anything when you use the laptop somewhere else. -- Stuart Ward M +44 7782325143 ___ NetworkManager-list mailing list NetworkManager-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/networkmanager-list
Re: Network Manager fails to connect to a network when a static IP is in use
Thanks for the hint. However, I need a static IP to have access to a NFS file server. DHCP server is a hardware device (router/WIFI) and I have no idea how to make it keep the same IP address for the laptop. Besides, I thought this was exactly NetworkManager designed for. When I need to connect my laptop to a network where a static IP is needed I just configure my laptop with NetworkManager. Pure and simple, to make users' life easier and make them happy running Linux. I think I would wait until the problem will be successfully solved rather than use any workarounds (The easiest would be just to switch to ifup). I thought I found a bug which developers of NetworkManager may find interesting. If so, I can provide any information to support them working on the solution. Please expect logs and answers to previous questions in my next post. 2008/8/1 Stuart Ward [EMAIL PROTECTED] Wouldent a better solution be to configure your DHCP server to give the laptop the correct address rather than use static IP address on the laptop. To do this create a subnet clause in dhcpd.conf with a: hardware ethernet 0:0:c0:5d:bd:95; Clause in it. Then you dont need to change anything when you use the laptop somewhere else. -- Stuart Ward M +44 7782325143 ___ NetworkManager-list mailing list NetworkManager-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/networkmanager-list
Re: Support for adding /etc/hosts entries
That would be cool. I use about 4 different networks routinely. 2 of them use vanilla /etc/hosts or wins. I resort to just memorizing ip numbers.and some times -- since hostnames are distinct -- I just put everything in my /etc/hosts It would be cool if the VPN stuff had this too -- I do use 1 cisco VPN and setting up etc hosts for that would be cool too. On Fri, Aug 1, 2008 at 4:13 AM, Michal Sawicz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It would be great if it would be possible to add hosts entries to /etc/hosts based on the network we're connected to. I'd see it as additional tab in the network configuration. What do you think about that? Shouldn't be too difficult and really usable. Cheers -- Michal Sawicz [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ NetworkManager-list mailing list NetworkManager-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/networkmanager-list ___ NetworkManager-list mailing list NetworkManager-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/networkmanager-list
Re: Support for adding /etc/hosts entries
On Fri, 2008-08-01 at 10:13 +0200, Michal Sawicz wrote: It would be great if it would be possible to add hosts entries to /etc/hosts based on the network we're connected to. I'd see it as additional tab in the network configuration. What do you think about that? Shouldn't be too difficult and really usable. Ideally this could be handled with a dispatcher script that distros could ship if they wanted; we do need to make the dispatcher export a few more options so that it's trivial to match up the connection that got activated with the dispatcher event. Dan ___ NetworkManager-list mailing list NetworkManager-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/networkmanager-list
ip4 setting method name changes
Hi, As of svn 3882, I've changed two of the IPv4 'method' names: dhcp - auto autoip - link-local Since both VPN and PPP connections can have IPv4 settings, the term 'dhcp' doesn't really make sense here. Dan ___ NetworkManager-list mailing list NetworkManager-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/networkmanager-list
Re: Network Manager fails to connect to a network when a static IP is in use
2008/8/1 Dan Williams [EMAIL PROTECTED] [cut] Happiness usually doesn't involve manual network configuration and NFS though :) No, it does not, indeed. ;) I am sure we will make it happen in the foreseeable future :) In any case, NM 0.7 should handle static IPs fine. For 0.6.6, it depends on whether your distro has written a backend correctly. Bad news: Name: NetworkManager Version: 0.7.0.r3685-7.1 Arch: i586 It looks like my NM 0.7 does not handle static IP correctly. Do you think it can be an openSUSE problem? Do you recommend me letting openSUSE team know about that? Sebastian. Dan ___ NetworkManager-list mailing list NetworkManager-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/networkmanager-list
Broken OpenVPN
So I upgraded to the stuff in F9 updates-testing and it broke NM-OpenVPN. Particularly, the problem is routing. Routing before the upgrade: $ route -n | grep tun 10.254.0.1 10.254.0.9 255.255.255.255 UGH 0 00 tun0 10.254.0.9 0.0.0.0 255.255.255.255 UH0 00 tun0 Routing after the upgrade: $ route -n | grep tun 10.254.0.1 10.254.0.9 255.255.255.255 UGH 0 00 tun0 10.254.0.0 0.0.0.0 255.255.255.0 U 0 00 tun0 Interface info: $ ifconfig tun0 tun0 Link encap:UNSPEC HWaddr 00-00-00-00-00-00-00-00-00-00-00-00-00-00-00-00 inet addr:10.254.0.10 P-t-P:10.254.0.9 Mask:255.255.255.0 UP POINTOPOINT RUNNING NOARP MULTICAST MTU:1500 Metric:1 RX packets:19 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 frame:0 TX packets:171 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 carrier:0 collisions:0 txqueuelen:100 RX bytes:2643 (2.5 KiB) TX bytes:11045 (10.7 KiB) ___ NetworkManager-list mailing list NetworkManager-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/networkmanager-list
Re: Support for adding /etc/hosts entries
On Fri, 2008-08-01 at 10:13 +0200, Michal Sawicz wrote: It would be great if it would be possible to add hosts entries to /etc/hosts based on the network we're connected to. I currently do this with a script in /etc/dhcp3/dhclient-exit-hooks.d/ It just checks for the appropriate domain name in $new_domain_name, and copies/links an appropriate /etc/hosts file based on that. Not saying that a GUI to do it via NM wouldn't be nice, just that it's possible now w/out it. -- Brett Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED] Irritated at Outlook's plain-text quoting? http://home.in.tum.de/~jain/software/outlook-quotefix/ ___ NetworkManager-list mailing list NetworkManager-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/networkmanager-list
