Re: Mysteries of NM

2011-02-26 Thread Aaron Konstam
On Sat, 2011-02-26 at 15:09 +, Timothy Murphy wrote:
 I'm running NetworkManager on my Thinkpad T60
 (Intel PRO/Wireless 3945ABG controller, iwl3945 driver)
 and it works fine under Fedora/KDE,
 but I find the user interface almost completely unintelligible.
 
 If I left click on the NM icon in the panel
 a window comes up with WLAN Interface on the left,
 and Connections on the right.
 (Rather annoyingly, there is no X at the top right-hand corner
 to close the window, one has to click again on the icon.)
 A number of APs (4) are listed on the right, including the one I am using.
 
 On the left, the Traffic box shows a number of moving spikes,
 distributed unevenly but approximately one every 10 seconds.
 I take it these are beacons of some kind from the APs?
 
 If I click on the Manage Connections button at the bottom of the window
 and then choose Wireless, my present connection is listed,
 but it says Last Used: Never. which I find puzzling.
 
 If I highlight this entry, and click on Scan,
 I see rather a nice map showing the APs previously listed,
 presumably showing the stronger signals nearer to the centre.
 (What, if anything, does the location around the circle mean?)
 
 I find it odd that this graphic only appears
 after I have chosen a specific connection;
 I would have thought it would be more logical
 to offer it when the APs were listed earlier.
 
 Are others puzzled by the NM interface,
 or am I being obtuse?
 
 

I am mystified by your description of the interface. When I left click
on the NM icon I get no Traffic Box, no Manage Connwections button, etc,
etc and so forth. Is it that you are using knetworkmanager rather than
Network Manager?
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Re: Network Manager reason codes

2011-02-11 Thread Aaron Konstam
On Thu, 2011-02-10 at 21:10 +, mike cloaked wrote:
 
 That is of course fine - but there are use cases where the two APs are
 both in one's own home - and both have the same ssid and that
 presents a problem - at least for me.
 
 
Ok it is time to admit ignorance. I don't understand the scenario
described above. What are the implications of having 2 APs in your house
(meaning I assume that they have thew same wireless passed) but
different bssids (presumably different Mac addresses for the AP cards).
How would you specify using NM one AP over the other. Wouldn't only one
connection entry show up on the NM access point list?
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wilreless connection before login

2010-04-05 Thread Aaron Konstam


A week or so ago I posted the following question:



 I have meant to follow up on this years ago but let it slip. But this
 came up recently on the fedora-list so I need to ask.
 
 It seems to me that several versions ago it was possible to have NM
 create a wireless connection on boot rather than only on login. Is
this
 possible and if so how does one set this up?
-
From Marc Herbert I received the response

Wild guess: did you try to configure it using system-config-network,
and then pass it to NM using the ifcfg-rh plugin?

http://live.gnome.org/NetworkManager/SystemSettings
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I used system-configure-network to re-configure the ifcfg-eth1 file and
am using the ifcfg-rh plugin. I got no connection before boot although
the ifcfg-eth1 file indicated the ONBOOT=yes option

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from Dan Williams I got the comment:

You can also move connections between user and system with
nm-connection-editor; look for the Available to all users checkbox in
each connection's edit window.  Checking that box makes it a system
connection (thus available at boot time) as long as a plugin is enabled
that allows writing of system connections.  That wiki page should also
talk about system settings plugins.

Dan

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I tried that. I used nm-connection-editor to edit the entry for the AP I
was using. Checked: the Available to all users checkbox.
Then maybe I made a mistake by clicking activate. The result was the AP
disappeared from the list of APs seen in the nm-applet, so that was no
good.

Would someone just tell me how to activate a wireless connection before
logging in with clear instructions I can follow. I assume this is
possible




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wirelesws connection before login

2010-03-29 Thread Aaron Konstam
I have meant to follow up on this years ago but let it slip. But this
came up recently on the fedora-list so I need to ask.

It seems to me that several versions ago it was possible to have NM
create a wireless connection on boot rather than only on login. Is this
possible and if so how does one set this up?
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Re: debug tips

2009-06-03 Thread Aaron Konstam
On Wed, 2009-06-03 at 10:55 +0100, Marc Herbert wrote:
 Aaron Konstam a écrit :
  On Mon, 2009-06-01 at 08:53 -0700, Daniel Fetchinson wrote:
 
  As I've said, but let me repeat it again, I do boot into run level 3.
  After logging in I start X manually via startx.
 
  We are having a giant miscommunication going on . What rl are you 
  actually running at?
 
  No, there is no miscommunication, simply you just have to believe that
  it is possible to boot in runlevel 3 and then it is possible to start
  X manually via startx :)
 
  I believe it, if you will accept that running startx puts you in to rl5
  not rl3.
 
 Huh? startx is changing the runlevel? That is some news.
This is a semantic argument. rl3 does not support X, rl5 does. I have
never actually checked this but I would be amazed if when one runs
startx the system does not switch to rl5.

But I guess I will have to try it or depend on the testimony of someone
who runs startx. I have been amazed before.
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Re: debug tips

2009-06-03 Thread Aaron Konstam
On Wed, 2009-06-03 at 08:21 -0500, Aaron Konstam wrote:
 On Wed, 2009-06-03 at 10:55 +0100, Marc Herbert wrote:
  Aaron Konstam a écrit :
   On Mon, 2009-06-01 at 08:53 -0700, Daniel Fetchinson wrote:
  
   As I've said, but let me repeat it again, I do boot into run level 3.
   After logging in I start X manually via startx.
  
   We are having a giant miscommunication going on . What rl are you 
   actually running at?
  
   No, there is no miscommunication, simply you just have to believe that
   it is possible to boot in runlevel 3 and then it is possible to start
   X manually via startx :)
  
   I believe it, if you will accept that running startx puts you in to rl5
   not rl3.
  
  Huh? startx is changing the runlevel? That is some news.
 This is a semantic argument. rl3 does not support X, rl5 does. I have
 never actually checked this but I would be amazed if when one runs
 startx the system does not switch to rl5.
 
 But I guess I will have to try it or depend on the testimony of someone
 who runs startx. I have been amazed before.
Well it is always good to be amazed at least once a day. I tried it.
startx does not cause rl5 to be reported by runlevel. Howver, at least
on my machine NM does not run the way it should.
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Re: debug tips

2009-06-03 Thread Aaron Konstam
On Wed, 2009-06-03 at 09:49 -0400, Dan Williams wrote:
 On Wed, 2009-06-03 at 08:40 -0500, Aaron Konstam wrote:
  On Wed, 2009-06-03 at 08:21 -0500, Aaron Konstam wrote:
   On Wed, 2009-06-03 at 10:55 +0100, Marc Herbert wrote:
Aaron Konstam a écrit :
 On Mon, 2009-06-01 at 08:53 -0700, Daniel Fetchinson wrote:

 As I've said, but let me repeat it again, I do boot into run level 3.
 After logging in I start X manually via startx.

 We are having a giant miscommunication going on . What rl are you 
 actually running at?

 No, there is no miscommunication, simply you just have to believe 
 that
 it is possible to boot in runlevel 3 and then it is possible to start
 X manually via startx :)

 I believe it, if you will accept that running startx puts you in to 
 rl5
 not rl3.

Huh? startx is changing the runlevel? That is some news.
   This is a semantic argument. rl3 does not support X, rl5 does. I have
   never actually checked this but I would be amazed if when one runs
   startx the system does not switch to rl5.
   
   But I guess I will have to try it or depend on the testimony of someone
   who runs startx. I have been amazed before.
  Well it is always good to be amazed at least once a day. I tried it.
  startx does not cause rl5 to be reported by runlevel. Howver, at least
  on my machine NM does not run the way it should.
 
 Does startx spawn the applet?  I'm pretty sure it should, since I think
 startx just starts up the normal r5 session but of course doesn't switch
 to r5.  It also depends on what levels you've got NM set to start at:
 
 chkconfig --list | grep NetworkManager
 
 should tell you that.
 
 Dan
 

Well you are essentially correct . startx starts a normal r5 session but
runlevel claims that the system is still at rl3. Which seems strange to
me. However one thing that does not happen (on my machine at least)
nm-applet does not start bringing up wireless. Maybe this should be
expected that the wireless is not active but I suspect that I could
start it by editing the proper connection.
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[Fwd: Re: debug tips]-correction

2009-06-03 Thread Aaron Konstam
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From: Aaron Konstam akons...@sbcglobal.net
To: Dan Williams d...@redhat.com
Cc: Marc Herbert marc.herb...@gmail.com, networkmanager-list@gnome.org
Subject: Re: debug tips
Date: Wed, 03 Jun 2009 15:42:53 -0500

On Wed, 2009-06-03 at 09:49 -0400, Dan Williams wrote:
 On Wed, 2009-06-03 at 08:40 -0500, Aaron Konstam wrote:
  On Wed, 2009-06-03 at 08:21 -0500, Aaron Konstam wrote:
   On Wed, 2009-06-03 at 10:55 +0100, Marc Herbert wrote:
Aaron Konstam a écrit :
 On Mon, 2009-06-01 at 08:53 -0700, Daniel Fetchinson wrote:

 As I've said, but let me repeat it again, I do boot into run level 3.
 After logging in I start X manually via startx.

 We are having a giant miscommunication going on . What rl are you 
 actually running at?

 No, there is no miscommunication, simply you just have to believe 
 that
 it is possible to boot in runlevel 3 and then it is possible to start
 X manually via startx :)

 I believe it, if you will accept that running startx puts you in to 
 rl5
 not rl3.

Huh? startx is changing the runlevel? That is some news.
   This is a semantic argument. rl3 does not support X, rl5 does. I have
   never actually checked this but I would be amazed if when one runs
   startx the system does not switch to rl5.
   
   But I guess I will have to try it or depend on the testimony of someone
   who runs startx. I have been amazed before.
  Well it is always good to be amazed at least once a day. I tried it.
  startx does not cause rl5 to be reported by runlevel. Howver, at least
  on my machine NM does not run the way it should.
 
 Does startx spawn the applet?  I'm pretty sure it should, since I think
 startx just starts up the normal r5 session but of course doesn't switch
 to r5.  It also depends on what levels you've got NM set to start at:
 
 chkconfig --list | grep NetworkManager
 
 should tell you that.
 
 Dan
 

Well you are essentially correct . startx starts a normal r5 session but
runlevel claims that the system is still at rl3. Which seems strange to
me. However one thing that does not happen (on my machine at least)
nm-applet does not start bringing up wireless. Maybe this should be
expected that the wireless is not active but I expect that I could
start it by editing the proper connection.

I must make a correction. If I run startx as a simple user I can connect to my 
default\
wireless connection if I enter the keyring passwd. As long as the proper 
services are running rh3
vs. rl5 is irrelevant.
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Re: debug tips

2009-06-01 Thread Aaron Konstam
On Sun, 2009-05-31 at 09:21 -0700, Daniel Fetchinson wrote:
  I'm trying to debug a 100% reproducable issue but don't really know
  where to look for clues.
 
  I have a Sony VAIO VGN-FZ240E, running 64bit Fedora 8.
 
  It happens with many wifi networks that when I boot everything goes
  fine, I can connect to the wifi network with nm-applet but as soon as
  I lose the connection I will never be able reconnect. The networks in
  question use pre-shared keys. If I reboot, everything will be fine
  again, I can connect using the password, but as soon as I lose
  connection the only way I can reconnect is by reboot.
 
  Instead of rebooting I tried manually restarting all network related
  services but that doesn't help. These are the services I restart in
  this order from /etc/rc3.d that I guess are relevant:
 
  service ip6tables restart
  service iptables restart
  service network restart
  NetworkManager and network are two different competitive systems to
  support networking. I don't say it would work but you should restart
  NetworkManager not network.
 
 Sure. But in /etc/rc3.d the order of the network related services is this:
 
 ip6tables
 iptables
 network
 NetworkManager
 NetworkManagerDispatcher
Not on my machine.  NetworkManager and network are not designed to run
at the same time. It is not clear what NM would do in run level 3
without X. You certainly don't have a nm-applet running at rl 3 in any
meaningful fashion.
 
 So I've tried stopping all 5 services and starting them in the above
 order, because they get started in the above order while booting. But
 already the third service, 'network', fails and wlan doesn't come up.
 If I nevertheless restart NetworkManager and NetworkManagerDispatcher
 I can see the wireless network in question in nm-applet but can not
 connect. I enter the pre-shared key password but it wouldn't connect,
 it just gives back the password window.
Look you talk about rc3.d but if you are using nm-applet you can't be at
run level 3 so what is in rc3.d is irrelevant. We are having a giant
miscommunication going on . What rl are you actually running at?
 
 If I reboot though the above 5 services are started in the above order
 and everything works, wlan comes up and nm-applet can connect using
 the same pre-shared key password.
 
 So it seems to me that I need to do some additional steps manually to
 completely reproduce what is happening at boot time. It just seems
 impossible to me that I can not reproduce everything what is happening
 at boot time, without actually rebooting but doing the same things
 manually as root.
 
 Any ideas where should I be looking for clues?
 
 Thanks a lot,
 Daniel
 
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Re: debug tips

2009-06-01 Thread Aaron Konstam
On Mon, 2009-06-01 at 08:53 -0700, Daniel Fetchinson wrote:
   I'm trying to debug a 100% reproducable issue but don't really know
   where to look for clues.
  
   I have a Sony VAIO VGN-FZ240E, running 64bit Fedora 8.
  
   It happens with many wifi networks that when I boot everything goes
   fine, I can connect to the wifi network with nm-applet but as soon as
   I lose the connection I will never be able reconnect. The networks in
   question use pre-shared keys. If I reboot, everything will be fine
   again, I can connect using the password, but as soon as I lose
   connection the only way I can reconnect is by reboot.
  
   Instead of rebooting I tried manually restarting all network related
   services but that doesn't help. These are the services I restart in
   this order from /etc/rc3.d that I guess are relevant:
  
   service ip6tables restart
   service iptables restart
   service network restart
   NetworkManager and network are two different competitive systems to
   support networking. I don't say it would work but you should restart
   NetworkManager not network.
 
  Sure. But in /etc/rc3.d the order of the network related services is this:
 
  ip6tables
  iptables
  network
  NetworkManager
  NetworkManagerDispatcher
  Not on my machine.  NetworkManager and network are not designed to run
  at the same time. It is not clear what NM would do in run level 3
  without X. You certainly don't have a nm-applet running at rl 3 in any
  meaningful fashion.
 
 I do boot in runlevel 3 and then start X manually with startx. After X
 is running nm-applet gets started as well. There is absolutely no
 problem here.
 
  So I've tried stopping all 5 services and starting them in the above
  order, because they get started in the above order while booting. But
  already the third service, 'network', fails and wlan doesn't come up.
  If I nevertheless restart NetworkManager and NetworkManagerDispatcher
  I can see the wireless network in question in nm-applet but can not
  connect. I enter the pre-shared key password but it wouldn't connect,
  it just gives back the password window.
  Look you talk about rc3.d but if you are using nm-applet you can't be at
  run level 3 so what is in rc3.d is irrelevant.
 
 As I've said, but let me repeat it again, I do boot into run level 3.
 After logging in I start X manually via startx.
 
  We are having a giant miscommunication going on . What rl are you actually 
  running at?
 
 No, there is no miscommunication, simply you just have to believe that
 it is possible to boot in runlevel 3 and then it is possible to start
 X manually via startx :)
I believe it, if you will accept that running startx puts you in to rl5
not rl3. Also that network and NM should not be run at the same time.
 
  If I reboot though the above 5 services are started in the above order
  and everything works, wlan comes up and nm-applet can connect using
  the same pre-shared key password.
 
  So it seems to me that I need to do some additional steps manually to
  completely reproduce what is happening at boot time. It just seems
  impossible to me that I can not reproduce everything what is happening
  at boot time, without actually rebooting but doing the same things
  manually as root.
 
  Any ideas where should I be looking for clues?
 
 
 
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Re: debug tips

2009-05-30 Thread Aaron Konstam
On Sat, 2009-05-30 at 10:49 -0700, Daniel Fetchinson wrote:
 Hi folks,
 
 I'm trying to debug a 100% reproducable issue but don't really know
 where to look for clues.
 
 I have a Sony VAIO VGN-FZ240E, running 64bit Fedora 8.
 
 It happens with many wifi networks that when I boot everything goes
 fine, I can connect to the wifi network with nm-applet but as soon as
 I lose the connection I will never be able reconnect. The networks in
 question use pre-shared keys. If I reboot, everything will be fine
 again, I can connect using the password, but as soon as I lose
 connection the only way I can reconnect is by reboot.
 
 Instead of rebooting I tried manually restarting all network related
 services but that doesn't help. These are the services I restart in
 this order from /etc/rc3.d that I guess are relevant:
 
 service ip6tables restart
 service iptables restart
 service network restart
NetworkManager and network are two different competitive systems to
support networking. I don't say it would work but you should restart
NetworkManager not network.
 
 The first two are fine, but 'service network restart' always fails
 bringing up wlan. When I reboot, wlan comes up okay though. And this
 is 100% reproducable. I have absolutely no clue what reboot does that
 I don't when manually starting the services.
 
 Also, I have no idea where to look for clues. Which log files to look
 at? Any other tips?
 
 Thanks very much,
 Daniel
 
 
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Re: NetworkManager and RunLevel 3

2009-03-19 Thread Aaron Konstam
On Thu, 2009-03-19 at 09:11 -0700, Geoffrey Leach wrote:
 I addressed this question to the NetworkManager list and received a 
 couple of replies that I found to be quite educational. The topic 
 appears on this list occasionally, so I thought it worthwhile to re-
 post here.
 
 The essence of what I discovered is that its not NetworkManager but nm-
 applet, which is a separate package, albeit from the same source. There 
 is an analogous program available for RL3

There is no separate nm-applet package on Fedora that I can find.

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Re: When will NM 0.7 be released ?

2008-10-16 Thread Aaron Konstam
On Wed, 2008-10-15 at 18:58 -0400, Dan Williams wrote:
 On Tue, 2008-10-14 at 23:44 +0200, Mildred Ki'Lya wrote:
  Hi,
  
  Just a question, it seems anyone here forgot that the 0.7 version was
  not released. So unfortunately, because of that, it can't make its
  way to the packages of my distribution (ArchLinux).
  I know I can compile myself, but it's not that easy. I made several
  attempts which all failed.
  
  So the question: is releasing NM 0.7 planned, if it is, do you have an
  idea when?
 
 It's gonna happen by the end of the month or I'll hang myself.
 
 Dan
How come  the NM in Fedora 9 says its 0.7?
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Re: Storing the WEP key outside user's keyring

2008-10-03 Thread Aaron Konstam
On Fri, 2008-10-03 at 15:55 -0400, Dan Williams wrote:
 On Fri, 2008-10-03 at 18:47 +0200, Marcin 'Qrczak' Kowalczyk wrote:
  2008/10/3 Robert Piasek [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
  
   You can use keyfile plugin and define your system wide connection. That 
   way
   NM will activate during boot.
  
  How do do that? Where is the documentation?
 
 There is a system settings service that will use the configuration from
 your /etc/network/interfaces file if it's configured correctly, and/or
 you can use the keyfile plugin for persistent connection storage as
 well.
What constitutes configured correctly? Does Fedora have a ketfile
plugin, and if so where do you get it and how is it used?
 
 I'd first try setting up /etc/network/interfaces in the normal Ubuntu
 way and if that fails, then Alexander should fix it :P
 
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A belated question about 0.7

2008-09-16 Thread Aaron Konstam
I thought that one of the capabilities of NM-0.7.. was to be able to
bring up the network globally on the machine instead of having to loin
as a user, Did that happen and I missed it.

If that can be dons , how?
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Re: [Fwd: system wide settings again ^^]

2008-08-05 Thread Aaron Konstam
On Tue, 2008-08-05 at 16:43 +0100, Robert Piasek wrote:
 -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-
 Hash: SHA1
 
 Hi Dan,
 
 
 This time I've got different question about system wide settings.  Don't
 know if the problem is on my end or NM Makefile.
 
 The file:
 /usr/share/dbus-1/system-services/org.freedesktop.NetworkManagerSystemSettings.service
 
 contains entry:
 Exec=/usr/sbin/nm-system-settings --config  
 /etc/NetworkManager/nm-system-settings.conf
 
 but after default installation I had no 
 /etc/NetworkManager/nm-system-settings.conf file
On my F9 machine the above file was created contining:
[main]
plugins=ifcfg-fedora
 
 So I've created /etc/NetworkManager/nm-system-settings.conf as follow:
 [main]
 plugins=keyfile
 
 When I tried to save the system wide settings I got another error
 (can't find it right now to link), but it was complaining that can't 
 save the settings. As I found out later on,  
 /etc/NetworkManager/system-connections/ didn't exist. NM tried to create it,
 but it created a FILE and die with an error. When I created the 
 directory manually and saved
 the example file everything worked fine.
 
 Now my question is, does networkmanager create these files/folders by
 default during make install, or should it create when you
 try to save config file for the first time?
 
 I've checked files which are installed by my script (which generally
 runs make install):
 (linked only etc files):
 
 = [dir] /etc
 = [dir] /etc/dbus-1
 = [dir] /etc/dbus-1/system.d
 |- [obj] /etc/dbus-1/system.d/NetworkManager.conf
 |- [obj] /etc/dbus-1/system.d/nm-dhcp-client.conf
 |- [obj] /etc/dbus-1/system.d/nm-dispatcher.conf
 |- [obj] /etc/dbus-1/system.d/nm-avahi-autoipd.conf
 |- [obj] /etc/dbus-1/system.d/nm-system-settings.conf
 = [dir] /etc/NetworkManager
 = [dir] /etc/NetworkManager/dispatcher.d
 = [dir] /etc/init.d
 |- [obj] /etc/init.d/NetworkManager
 
 
 I've also checked src/Makefile.am and there is only:
 
 rundir=$(localstatedir)/run/NetworkManager
 dispatcherdir=$(sysconfdir)/NetworkManager/dispatcher.d
 install-data-hook:
 ~   $(mkinstalldirs) -m 0700 $(DESTDIR)$(rundir)
 ~   $(mkinstalldirs) -m 0755 $(DESTDIR)$(dispatcherdir)
 
 CLEANFILES = $(BUILT_SOURCES)
 
 
 
 Should it be patched in NM or should distros come up with their own
 patches for it?
 
 
 
 Thanks,
 
 Rob
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
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Problem with update of f7 for Network Manager.

2008-06-10 Thread Aaron Konstam
This morning I was send a message about updating NetworkManager. The
following rpms were updated on my f7 system:
 NetworkManager-glib -0.6.6-2.fc7.i386
 NetworkManager-devel -0.6.6-2.fc7.i386
NetworkManager -0.6.6-2.fc7.i386
 NetworkManager-gnome -0.6.6-2.fc7.i386

after the update NM no longer works properly. The connection is made but
instead of seeing the vertical blue bars the arrow keeps circling.

Do others with f7 see the same thing. How can I downgrade to the earlier
version? What can be done otherwise?

Why are devel rpms being downloaded? My development repo is disabled.
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Re: Is this the way NM should work?

2008-05-13 Thread Aaron Konstam
On Tue, 2008-05-13 at 16:05 -0400, Gene Czarcinski wrote:
 I have a laptop with both a working wireless interface and a working
 ethernet 
 wired interface.  Normally, I run wireless.  
 
 On Fedora 9, if I plug into the wired interface, it is brought up also
 so I 
 now have both the wired and wireless interfaces enabled.  Fortunately,
 both 
 interfaces are on the same (sub) network so routine does not get
 screwed up.  
 
 This does not happen on Fedora 8.  On Fedora 8, when I plug in the
 wired 
 interface, the wireless interface is disabled and the wired interface
 is 
 enabled.  Conversely, when I unplug the wired interface, it is
 disabled and 
 the wireless interface is enabled.
 
 The way things work under Fedora 8 is how I expect things to work.
 However, 
 there may be good reasons for how things work in Fedora 9. 
What you discribe is a change between f6 and f9. 


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Re: I might be asking for DHCP support, but I'm not sure

2008-05-08 Thread Aaron Konstam
On Thu, 2008-05-08 at 14:04 -0400, Dan Williams wrote:
 On Wed, 2008-05-07 at 09:20 -0400, Matt Burkhardt wrote:
  Basically, I have three computers - two laptops and a server.  They
  all hook up to my Linksys Wireless Router fine, but they get different
  IP addresses at different times.
 
 Right; this is normal for DHCP depending on which client requests
 addresses at which times.  If your laptop requests an address before the
 desktop, the laptop will generally get the lower address.
 
That is interesting because on my home network all machines get the same
address no matter in which order they are turned on.
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Re: NetworkManager should report killswitch state per device

2008-04-27 Thread Aaron Konstam
On Sat, 2008-04-26 at 20:01 -0500, Larry Finger wrote:
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  On Thu, Apr 24, 2008 at 01:24:33PM -0400, Dan Williams wrote:
  Expected behavior.  If you don't want to kill any wireless, don't flip
  the switch.  I don't see real use-cases where you'd want to rfkill one
  card but not others;
  
  Here's a real use-case: on my wife's laptop, the integrated wifi is
  misfunctionning. (It sees network but can only intermitently connect to
  them. It just happened one day, I am sure it is an hardware problem on
  this four year old computer.) We bought an USB dongle to have a reliable
  wifi. It would be nice to stop the integrated card in order to save
  battery time.
  
  That was a real case, I can imagine other cases where the integrated
  device doesn't have the good protocols (maybe it doesn't do g or n wifi
  networks), doesn't have the correct range, doesn't have the correct MAC
  address to be accepted by the router, and where one would like to use an
  external wifi card without the first one sucking power.
  
  Well, anyway, it sure is'nt a priority...
 
 Why not blacklist the driver for the defunct device?
 
 Larry
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Re: Is Ignore interfaces supported?

2008-04-24 Thread Aaron Konstam
On Thu, 2008-04-24 at 11:45 +, Nick Byrne wrote:
 Hi list,
 
 I would like configure NM so that ignores my ethernet
 interfaces, is this possible?
 
 Thanks
 Nick
Why would you want to do that?
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Clarification of key terminaology.

2008-01-22 Thread Aaron Konstam

I am still unclear as to what is the difference between ASCII key and a
passphrase? Can the latter have blanks in it or what?
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Surprise - olpc sugar uses NM

2007-12-27 Thread Aaron Konstam
I was surprised to see that the olpc running the sugar operating system
runs NM. olpc (product of the one computer one child project) if MIT's
Negroponte. The idea is to mass produce cheap computers for children in
third world countries.

The connection interface is interesting. It is a screen of colored dots
each one a AP or a mesh connection, which is a connection to another
olpc.It is more colorful than NM-applet.
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Re: 0.7 this year?

2007-12-13 Thread Aaron Konstam
On Wed, 2007-12-12 at 15:17 -0500, Stuart D. Gathman wrote:
 On Tue, 11 Dec 2007, Bjoern Martensen wrote:
 
  how are the chances we might get our (desperately waiting) hands on NM
  0.7 by the end of this year? maybe a christmas present? ;)
 
 I am running Fedora Core 8, and it has NM 0.7.  Lo and behold, WPA
 works with NM!  (It didn't work with NM 0.6 on EL5).  So download
 the werewolf and enjoy.
 
It worked on NM-0.6.5
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Re: Proper WEP Code

2007-12-12 Thread Aaron Konstam
On Tue, 2007-12-11 at 17:10 -0500, Dan Williams wrote:
 
 WEP ASCII passphrases are standardized, WEP104 passphrases are
 de-facto
 standard (some implemented hashing for 40-bit WEP keys, but that's not
 really standardized at all), and Apple uses a completely different
 hashing scheme for it's password.
 
 So no, WEP doesn't have a standardized passphrase-key hashing scheme.
 That's why you get 3 choices.
 
 WPA fixed this, where there is a standard for hashing a passphrase
 into
 a key, _plus_ they made it easy to differentiate a passphrase and a
 hex
 key, which is great because you can't do this with WEP, leading to
 people using what _look_ like hex keys as actual WEP passphrases.
 
 Dan 
I am sure you think the above explanation is clear but it is not to me.
From what I have read the WEP pasphrase is the encryption key.
and an ASCII passphrase is just a hex passphrase expressed in ASCII
characters,

What is the difference between a passphrase and a hex key and where does
hashing come in for WEP?
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Re: Proper WEP Code

2007-12-10 Thread Aaron Konstam
On Sun, 2007-12-09 at 19:22 -0500, Dan Williams wrote:
 On Sun, 2007-12-09 at 15:48 -0600, Aaron Konstam wrote:
  On Mon, 2007-12-10 at 01:42 +1000, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
   -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-
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   Hey everyone sorry to disturb you all but what is the proper way to put
   your wep code in hex into the nm-applet? So far i can't figure it out
   and it won't allow me to connect. This is my code (obviously without the
   stars):
   
   
   **:38:22:05:40:AB:**:EF:04:38:22:05:**
   
   
   Thanks in advance i tried googling it but i don't think i could think of
   the right combination of search phrase.
   
   NJ
  But the associated question do you really want to set the WEP encryption
  code in hex rather than in ASCII, which is another option.
 
 He needs to be sure he matches the setting used on the AP.  It won't
 work if he uses the wrong type in the applet.  That said, most APs don't
 use ASCII passphrases (it was an older lucent thing), so I'd expect it
 to be a hex key, most likely.
 
 Dan
Dan,
You may be right but all of the wireless APs distributed by ATT have
ASCII WEP passwds that are annoyingly 10 rather then 13 ASCII
characters.
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Re: Proper WEP Code

2007-12-09 Thread Aaron Konstam
On Mon, 2007-12-10 at 01:42 +1000, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-
 Hash: SHA1
 
 
 
 Hey everyone sorry to disturb you all but what is the proper way to put
 your wep code in hex into the nm-applet? So far i can't figure it out
 and it won't allow me to connect. This is my code (obviously without the
 stars):
 
 
 **:38:22:05:40:AB:**:EF:04:38:22:05:**
 
 
 Thanks in advance i tried googling it but i don't think i could think of
 the right combination of search phrase.
 
 NJ
But the associated question do you really want to set the WEP encryption
code in hex rather than in ASCII, which is another option.
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Re: Fedora 8 and PEAP

2007-12-03 Thread Aaron Konstam
On Mon, 2007-12-03 at 11:13 -0500, Yaakov Nemoy wrote:
 Hey List,
 
 Are there any known problems with Network Manager 0.7 and PEAP
 Networks?  I seem to be having trouble connecting to my school's
 network, which has otherwise been rock solid in Fedora 7.  What can I
 do to figure out if it's a bug, and file the appropriate report?
 
 -Yaakov
I am currently able to connect to our Universities WPA/WPA2 service that
uses PEAP. Is that what you wnat to do? However I am using NM-0.6.5 in
F7.
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Re: NetworkManager keeps asking for secret phrase

2007-11-21 Thread Aaron Konstam
On Wed, 2007-11-21 at 13:21 -0200, Matias Estrada wrote:
 so you say it doesn't ask for the PAM password every time you reboot ?
 mine keeps asking , so I went for nm-applet manual configuration. Now
 it doesn't show the signal strength :(
My experience is that the keys are stored in the gnome-keyring and you
are asked for a WEP key for example every time you logon. In NM-0.7
it is supposed to be possible to get a machine wide passwd rather than a
user specific passwd but I don't know if that is operational yet.
 
 
 On Nov 15, 2007 6:27 AM, Henry Andrew [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
  On Sat, 2007-11-10 at 14:48 +0200, Firas Swidan, PhD wrote:
   Hi,
  
   I am trying to connect to my WAP wireless network and NetworkManager
   keeps asking for the secret phrase without connecting. Is there
  anything
   specific that I need to do to stop this and make the connection?
  
   Thanks in advance,
   Firas.
 
  There is some  confusion here. I suspect you mean WEP. If it is asking
  you for a
  secret phrase it means is is not open to anyone who connects. You need
  to know the (usually 40 bit or 104 bit) string that was set up on the
  AP. Note that 104 bits is 13 ASCII characters.
 
 
  Isn't it the case that the key for WEP or WPA is stored in the PAM
  keyring if you have PAM installed?  I run Ubuntu (Gnome) so PAM is
  already installed, but if you run another distro/desktop and PAM isn't
  installed or configured then maybe it's not storing the WEP key?  Once
  stored in PAM, then you only get asked for the PAM passphrase, but in
  the version of PAM supplied in Ubuntu 7.10 there is a checkbox in the
  passphrase dialog to always remember the PAM passphrase.
 
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Re: NetworkManager keeps asking for secret phrase

2007-11-14 Thread Aaron Konstam
On Sat, 2007-11-10 at 14:48 +0200, Firas Swidan, PhD wrote:
 Hi,
 
 I am trying to connect to my WAP wireless network and NetworkManager
 keeps asking for the secret phrase without connecting. Is there anything
 specific that I need to do to stop this and make the connection?
 
 Thanks in advance,
 Firas.

There is some  confusion here. I suspect you mean WEP. If it is asking you for 
a 
secret phrase it means is is not open to anyone who connects. You need
to know the (usually 40 bit or 104 bit) string that was set up on the
AP. Note that 104 bits is 13 ASCII characters.


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Re: killswitch messages flood syslog fixed

2007-11-11 Thread Aaron Konstam
On Sun, 2007-11-11 at 12:26 -0500, walter neumann wrote:
 Sorry if this has already been said -- I couldn't find any search
 functionality for this list.  There have been several messages
 complaining that killswitch error messages flood the syslog
 (especially on Dell machines that have no physical wlan killswitch,
 only the keyboard one). 
 
 The following fixes the problem for me: run on startup
 
 hal-device --r dell_wlan_switch

Well I tried this putting the line in rc.local on my Dell laptop. It
seemed to reduce the:

Nov 11 16:07:48 cyrus last message repeated 11 times

messages but I am still not clear about what is going on, and why this
formula helps things.

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Re: Wireless Network Controller missing on PS3

2007-10-26 Thread Aaron Konstam
On Fri, 2007-10-26 at 15:12 +0700, Carlos Andre Camargo wrote:
 Please, need your guidance to troubleshoot a problem Ii found here.
 
  
 
 I have installed a Ubuntu 7.04 on my PS3, and I am using
 NetworkManager Applet 0.6.4 but the system can not display my wireless
 card connection. Can you help me on this ?
 
  
I think more details are needed on exactly what your are doing and what
network related init.d scripts you are running.
 
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Re: Using LEAP, WPA-EAP and CCMP with NetworkManager

2007-09-22 Thread Aaron Konstam
On Fri, 2007-09-21 at 17:46 -0400, Dan Williams wrote:
 On Fri, 2007-09-21 at 15:26 -0500, Aaron Konstam wrote:
  On Fri, 2007-09-21 at 22:03 +0200, Jan Vlug wrote:
   I want to use NetworkManager to setup my wireless connection, however I
   do not manage to get it working.
   
   When using wpa_supplicant, I can connect to the wireless network by
   using these settings:
   network={
 ssid=NAME
 scan_ssid=1
 key_mgmt=WPA-EAP
 pairwise=CCMP
 eap=LEAP
 identity=me
 password=secret
   }
   
   Is this configuration supported by the NetworkManager GUI?
   I am using Fedora 7.
  At the risk of being shot down choose in nm-applet Connect to Other
  Wireless Network and a GUI will open up giving you a choice of LEAP, WPA
  with PEAP , etc.
   However , in my case the GUI for WPA with PEAP  opened up automatically
  when I chose the AP using that protocol.
 
 I don't think there's a GUI option for LEAP as an eap method; it's
 likely simple to add one though since it shouldn't require much behind
 the scenes or in the UI at all.  Seems pretty easy.
 
 Dan
 
 
I am not sure what you mean. There are two different GUI based ways to get
 LEAP authorization in NM. The first is an option in the default security
 GUI as an alternative to WEP.
The second is in the Connect to Other Wireless Network GUI as a security
 option as as an alternative to WEP and various WPA options.

However, Dan you know much more about NM than I do so I assume the problem
is in the phrase LEAP and an eap method whose meaning is not clear to me.
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Re: Using LEAP, WPA-EAP and CCMP with NetworkManager

2007-09-21 Thread Aaron Konstam
On Fri, 2007-09-21 at 22:03 +0200, Jan Vlug wrote:
 I want to use NetworkManager to setup my wireless connection, however I
 do not manage to get it working.
 
 When using wpa_supplicant, I can connect to the wireless network by
 using these settings:
 network={
   ssid=NAME
   scan_ssid=1
   key_mgmt=WPA-EAP
   pairwise=CCMP
   eap=LEAP
   identity=me
   password=secret
 }
 
 Is this configuration supported by the NetworkManager GUI?
 I am using Fedora 7.
At the risk of being shot down choose in nm-applet Connect to Other
Wireless Network and a GUI will open up giving you a choice of LEAP, WPA
with PEAP , etc.
 However , in my case the GUI for WPA with PEAP  opened up automatically
when I chose the AP using that protocol.
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Re: Explanation of killswitch related messages.

2007-09-20 Thread Aaron Konstam
On Thu, 2007-09-20 at 22:15 +0200, MartinG wrote:
 On 9/20/07, Brian Millett [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  Aaron Konstam escribío:
   Well I reinstalled libsmbios but am still getting the killswitch
   messages in slightly different form:
  
   --Sep 19 17:58:08 cyrus yum: Updated: httpd.i386 2.2.6-1.fc7
   Sep 19 17:58:13 cyrus NetworkManager: info  Error getting
 killswitch
   power: org.freedesktop.Hal.Device.KillSwitch.NotSupported -
   dellWirelessCtl returned 4
   Sep 19 17:58:44 cyrus last message repeated 5 times
  
   So now what?
 
  The dellWirelessCtl is part of the:
 
  # rpm -qf /usr/bin/dellWirelessCtl
  libsmbios-bin-0.13.10-1.fc7
  package.
 
 I'm not sure I follow: I get the same kind of message, even though I
 have libsmbios-bin and libsmbios-libs installed (see my previous
 message in this same thread):
 
 #  rpm -qf /usr/bin/dellWirelessCtl
 libsmbios-bin-0.13.10-1.fc7 
Things got much clearer to me when I ran:
dellWirelessCtl -i

I found that most of the functionality of this program is not supported
my BIOS. Maybe a new BIOS is needed. Run this program and see what you
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Re: Explanation of killswitch related messages.

2007-09-19 Thread Aaron Konstam
On Wed, 2007-09-19 at 21:10 +0200, MartinG wrote:
 Similar problem here, on a Dell Latitude X1:
 # uname -a
 Linux x1 2.6.22.5-76.fc7 #1 SMP Thu Aug 30 13:47:21 EDT 2007 i686 i686
 i386 GNU/Linux
 
 # cat /etc/rc.local
 #!/bin/sh
 touch /var/lock/subsys/local
 modprobe cpufreq-powersave
 modprobe  dcdbas
 service haldaemon restart
 
 # lsmod|grep dcdbas
 dcdbas 12257  0
 
 # tail /var/log/messages
 Sep 19 20:08:28 x1 NetworkManager:  info   Error getting killswitch
 power: org.freedesktop.Hal.Device.KillSwitch.NotSupported - Access
 type not supported
 Sep 19 20:09:04 x1 last message repeated 6 times
 Sep 19 20:10:10 x1 last message repeated 11 times
 ...
 
 # rpm -q libsmbios-bin
 (not installed)
 
 So I went ahead and installed it:
 # wget -q -O - http://linux.dell.com/repo/software/bootstrap.cgi | bash
 (what a stupid way to install a yum repo! Piping a web-page to bash...
 I actually saved the script, and had a brief look at it before I ran
 it.)

 
Now I have really fouled UP:
I have a dell Latitude D810
I installed the modprobe dcdbas
I installed libsmbios  using the  wget above.
 /usr/bin/dellWirelessCtl --version produces no meaningfull result. 
/usr/bin/dellWirelessCtl  does not exist.

I have noting in BIOS that calls itself a killswitch but there is an
option to turn wireless on and off using Fn-F2. I assume that is the
software killswitch.

I still get the killswitch related messages in /var/log/messages.

Now I made a big mistake . I decided to re-install libsmbios . So I
removed it and tried the wget method again to reinstall it. That did not
work. I got a message this was already done and it will not be done
again.

So I haven't installed libsmbios and the errors are still there. What
worries me is that somewhere along the line I got a message that
libsmbios is needed by the haldaemon.

Anny help out there?

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Re: Explanation of killswitch related messages.

2007-09-19 Thread Aaron Konstam

  
 Now I have really fouled UP:
 I have a dell Latitude D810
 I installed the modprobe dcdbas
 I installed libsmbios  using the  wget above.
  /usr/bin/dellWirelessCtl --version produces no meaningfull result. 
 /usr/bin/dellWirelessCtl  does not exist.
 
 I have noting in BIOS that calls itself a killswitch but there is an
 option to turn wireless on and off using Fn-F2. I assume that is the
 software killswitch.
 
 I still get the killswitch related messages in /var/log/messages.
 
 Now I made a big mistake . I decided to re-install libsmbios . So I
 removed it and tried the wget method again to reinstall it. That did not
 work. I got a message this was already done and it will not be done
 again.
 
 So I haven't installed libsmbios and the errors are still there. What
 worries me is that somewhere along the line I got a message that
 libsmbios is needed by the haldaemon.
 
 Anny help out there?
Well I reinstalled libsmbios but am still getting the killswitch
messages in slightly different form:

--Sep 19 17:58:08 cyrus yum: Updated: httpd.i386 2.2.6-1.fc7
Sep 19 17:58:13 cyrus NetworkManager: info  Error getting killswitch
power: org.freedesktop.Hal.Device.KillSwitch.NotSupported -
dellWirelessCtl returned 4
Sep 19 17:58:44 cyrus last message repeated 5 times

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Re: Connecting to Wireless AP

2007-09-19 Thread Aaron Konstam
On Wed, 2007-09-19 at 14:49 -0700, rajyalakshmi bommaraju wrote:
 Hi I am a new bie to linux. I have installed Network manager on
 ubuntu. Is there a way that I can make network manager connect to any
 wireless Ap through command line? I am looking for something similar
 to iwconfig.
 
 Thanks
It is designed by gnome.org and is designed to run in a X environemt
like gnome. nm-applet under gnome allows the connection. KDM has
something similar.
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I need some information.

2007-08-06 Thread Aaron Konstam
 Forwarded Message 
From: Aaron Konstam [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Derek Atkins [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: [ipw3945-devel] chaning mode only when interface down?
Date: Sun, 05 Aug 2007 15:32:20 -0500

On Fri, 2007-08-03 at 11:10 -0400, Derek Atkins wrote:
 
  I think you are confusing a/b/g mode (which is _not_ the topic)
  with AP/STA/IBSS/monitor mode (which is the topic). 

Would someone take the trouble to explain what AP/STA/IBSS/monitor
mode means?
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Re: LEAP, and other EAPs.

2007-07-15 Thread Aaron Konstam
On Sun, 2007-07-15 at 09:14 -0400, Dan Williams wrote:
 On Fri, 2007-07-13 at 19:19 -0400, Darren Albers wrote:
  I think Cisco is just acknowledging the obvious and longstanding
  weaknesses in LEAP and is doing the right thing and advising their
  customers to move to PEAP which works the same from the users
  prospective.
 
 LEAP has been steadily going away for a long time, because there are
 well-known exploitable vulnerabilities (dictionary attacks on your
 password) that have been around for at least 3 or 4 years.  LEAP
 hasn't
 been considered secure for a long time.  Dynamic WEP with 802.1x is
 actually better, but only if you change your WEP key really often.
 
 LEAP also sucks because you can't know whether or not an AP supports
 it
 from the beacon, which is what WPA[2] fixes quite nicely. 


The above sort of misses several points. One does not have the power to
decide what authorization method an access point supplier uses. I use
LEAP because that is what the University I was contacting uses.

Second, if NM advertises it supports LEAP it should support LEAP. Until
last week it did not at least on Fedora 7.

Third, I am now informed that NM supports PEAP and other EAPs. Does it?
Has anyone actually tried it? I hope so. In addition this ability is
pretty well hidden in the lists of options that nm-applet displays. I
would probably not have found it if Darren Albers had showed me how.


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Re: LEAP, and other EAPs.

2007-07-15 Thread Aaron Konstam
On Sun, 2007-07-15 at 13:20 -0400, Dan Williams wrote:

  
   Second, if NM advertises it supports LEAP it should support LEAP. Until
   last week it did not at least on Fedora 7.
  
  It did support it but a patch broke it, it wasn't caught since you
  can't test LEAP without Cisco AP's or a LEAP network which none of the
  dev's have access to.
  
  
   Third, I am now informed that NM supports PEAP and other EAPs. Does it?
   Has anyone actually tried it? I hope so. In addition this ability is
   pretty well hidden in the lists of options that nm-applet displays. I
   would probably not have found it if Darren Albers had showed me how.
  
  
  
  I have used PEAP and EAP-TLS successfully before.  It isn't really
  hidden, it is under connect to other network   If NM detects a
  network using EAP then the PEAP or EAP-TLS options are shown.  If your
  network is not broadcasting and you need to select the options
  manually you will need to select connect to other network so I /think/
  all the places you would need to find it are covered.
  
  As Dan stated in an earlier post LEAP was different because you can't
  tell if it is just a normal WEP network or a LEAP network.
 
 I don't think LEAP networks set the privacy bit (ie, the WEP bit) in
 the beacon, which means you can't tell between LEAP or unencrypted
 networks.  That's the same with 802.1x+Dynamic WEP too.
 
 Dan
 
Ok, I keep learning new things and that is good.
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LEAP, the saga continues

2007-07-13 Thread Aaron Konstam
After all this falderall to get LEAP
working in NM I was informed today that
CISCO is not sure it wants to ocntinue
to support LEAP so people are going to
PEAP or is it PEEP.

Well as we know in computer things change fast. What a bummer.
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Re: Good News in LEAP-land

2007-07-12 Thread Aaron Konstam
On Thu, 2007-07-12 at 12:38 -0400, Dan Williams wrote:
 On Thu, 2007-07-12 at 16:36 +0100, Jon Escombe wrote:
  Aaron Konstam wrote:
   Well it looks like your patch for the LEAP authentication now works.
   And it works as I predicted it should. That is,  when you try to
   reconnect to the access point the program asks you for your keyring
   passwd and connects.
  
  If you also want to avoid the prompt for your keyring password, have a 
  look at pam_keyring (RPM is in the Fedora repos), you'll still need to 
  edit one file by hand to make it seamless..
  
  http://www.hekanetworks.com/index.php/publisher/articleview/frmArticleID/25/staticId/31/
  
   Which leaves me with two questions:
   
   
   1. Does any one want the new rpms that I have created? If so where
   should I send them?
   
   2. How does one decide whether a %patchN line  should appear before the
   tar -xjf %{SOURCE1}
   line or after it in the .spec file?
  
  Just patches to the gnome panel applet need to go after..
  
   
   Anyway, Jon, thanks for your efforts to get this matter resolved. I can
   now LEAP freely without bother.
   
  
  Glad it sorted the issue for you..
 
 Did the patch get bugzilla'd?  My laptop drive crashed monday so I'm
 still catching up somewhat
 
 Dan
 
 
Not by me. I assume Jon will do it.
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Re: Bad news on LEAP fix patch

2007-07-11 Thread Aaron Konstam
On Wed, 2007-07-11 at 09:18 +0100, Jon Escombe wrote:
 - Aaron Konstam [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  I took the src rpm :NetworkManager-0.6.5-7.fc7.src.rpm and recompiled it
  using the LEAP patch NetworkManager-0.6.5-LEAP_passwd.patch developed by
  Jon Escombe. Nothing improved. The behavior is the same.
 
 Thinking about it, are you confident the patch applied ok? Did you build a 
 new version of the RPM, applying the patch in the .spec file?
 
 Cheers,
 Jon.
That is exactly what I did.
In the spec file  NetworkManager.spec I had the lines:
Patch0: NetworkManager-0.6.4-startup-dhcdbd.patch
Patch1: NetworkManager-0.6.5-fixup-internal-applet-build.patch
Patch2: linkdebug.patch
Patch3: NetworkManager-0.6.5-no-killswitch-fix.patch
Patch4: NetworkManager-0.6.5-LEAP_passwd.patch

And I added the NetworkManager-0.6.5-LEAP_passwd.patch file to the 
/usr/src/redhat/SOURCES 
directory.

Then I recompiled the rpms by execuuting:
rpmbuild -ba  NetworkManager.spec 

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Re: Bad news on LEAP fix patch

2007-07-11 Thread Aaron Konstam
On Wed, 2007-07-11 at 18:06 +0100, Jon Escombe wrote:
 - Derek Atkins [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  Aaron Konstam [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
  
   That is exactly what I did.
  
  In the %prep section did you add the appropriate %patchN (where 'N' is
  the PatchN: you added here)?
 
 Well spotted, I'd missed that. 
 Fingers crossed that was the missing piece and the patch is okay ;)
 
 Regards,
 Jon.
Well that is right ,I blew it. I will make that change and try again.
I assume the added line should be:

%patch4 -p1 -b .LEAP_passwd

Someone let me know if this is not correct.
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Re: Bad news on LEAP fix patch - the story continues

2007-07-11 Thread Aaron Konstam
On Wed, 2007-07-11 at 22:27 +0100, Jon Escombe wrote:
 - Aaron Konstam [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  On Wed, 2007-07-11 at 18:06 +0100, Jon Escombe wrote:
   - Derek Atkins [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Aaron Konstam [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

 That is exactly what I did.

In the %prep section did you add the appropriate %patchN (where 'N' is
the PatchN: you added here)?
   
   Well spotted, I'd missed that. 
   Fingers crossed that was the missing piece and the patch is okay ;)
   
   Regards,
   Jon.
  Well that is right ,I blew it. I will make that change and try again.
  I assume the added line should be:
  
  %patch4 -p1 -b .LEAP_passwd
  
  Someone let me know if this is not correct.
 
 Yep, that last parameter is just a suffix for a backup copy of the file, so 
 can be whatever you like..
 
 The last spec file I have has the applet patches in a second section (just 
 underneath the tar command), you'll want to put this one there too..
 
 Cheers,
 Jon.
 
Now we are really getting into black magic. I changed the lines:

%prep
%setup -q
%patch0 -p1 -b .startup-dhcdbd
%patch2 -p1 -b .linkdebug
%patch3 -p1 -b .no-killswitch-fix
%patch4 -p1 -b .LEAP_passwd

# unpack the applet
tar -xjf %{SOURCE1}
%patch1 -p1 -b .buildfix

To:

%prep
%setup -q
%patch0 -p1 -b .startup-dhcdbd
%patch2 -p1 -b .linkdebug
%patch3 -p1 -b .no-killswitch-fix

# unpack the applet
tar -xjf %{SOURCE1}
%patch1 -p1 -b .buildfix
%patch4 -p1 -b .LEAP_passwd

and now executing rpmbuild -ba gives a successful compile.

Will someone confirm that this is ok and I can install the rpms
produced.?




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Solution to the LEAP problem

2007-07-10 Thread Aaron Konstam
I said this before and I will say it again. The solution to get LEAP
authorization to work seems simple:

It should work like WEP authorization. When you sent up a WEP controlled
access point you are asked to put in the access passsphrase then you are
asked to enter the passwd for access to your gnome keyring.

When you login after that you are asked for the passwd to your keyring
and the access is authenticated by accessing the keyring and finding the
passsphrase.

With LEAP you are asked for a user name ans passwd. Then you are asked
for the passwd of your keyring and the connection is made.

When you login after that you should be asked for your keyring passwd
just like the WEP case. But you are not so NM can't access your LEAP
passwd from the keyring and the connection fails. Actually the passwd is
retrieved but it can't be decrypted.

I someone has a better idea I would be glad to hear it. I have been
waiting for LEA to work properly foe over half a year. I realize I am am
in the minority by using LEAP but I have no choice and I think this
should be fixed..
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Re: FR: NetworkManagerDispatcher should fireup scripts owned by any user.

2007-07-09 Thread Aaron Konstam
On Sun, 2007-07-08 at 21:02 -0400, Hans Deragon wrote:
 Greetings.
 
 
   [ Resending with a less annoying title and non signed email;
 Please reply to this email instead to start a thread.
 My apologies ]
 
   I would like to propose a new feature.  The NetworkManagerDispatcher
   should call any scripts found under NM_SCRIPT_DIR (currently hardcoded
   to '/etc/NetworkManager/dispatcher.d' directory), regardless of the
   owner.  Currently, it only executes scripts owned by root.
 
   Scripts would be executed with the EUID set to the user owning the
   script.  This would prevent a user to gain root privileges.  But with
   this feature, users without any admin privileges could add their own
   scripts.  For instance, they could set ssh tunnels when getting
   connected to a particular network.
 
   NM_SCRIPT_DIR would have the sticky bit set, like /tmp.  From chmod
   man page:
 
  When the sticky bit is set on a directory, files in that directory
  may be unlinked or renamed only by the directory owner as well as
  by  root or the file owner.  Without the sticky bit, anyone able to
  write to the directory can delete or rename files.  The sticky bit
  is commonly found on directories, such as /tmp, that are
  world-writable.
 
   Comments are welcomed.
 
   If my proposal is welcomed, I could give a try coding it and submit a
   patch.  Instead of calling system() directly, a fork would be
   executed, and the child would perform a setuid() call prior calling
   system().  One advantage of forking is that the daemon would never
   freeze since only the children would call shell commands.  Thus if a
   shell command loops indefinitely, the main daemon isn't affected.
 
 
 Best regards,
 Hans Deragon
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Re: Networkmanager not connecting to known network

2007-07-09 Thread Aaron Konstam
On Mon, 2007-07-09 at 10:23 -0400, Alex Janssen wrote:
 I have been reading the list and snooping around in the files trying to
 figure this out, but I'm not sure what I'm looking for.  I know it is
 supposed to connect to a known network automatically.  It does try but
 times out.
 Any help is appreciated.
 Thanks,
 Alex
 
Is it a wired or wireless network it is timing out on?
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Temporary solution to NM LEAP glitch.

2007-07-09 Thread Aaron Konstam
This is only for people who believe in kludgey solutions to annoying
problems. As was decided, LEAP does not work in the current NM in the
sense you can configure it and it will connect but never connect on
further logins.

A solution has been suggested Jon Escombe and eventually it will be
included in the distribution. What can you do in the meantime?

What I have done is the following. Created a script which removes the
directory TrinityAP which represents the LEAP access point in my .gconf
directory tree. The next time you can configure the LEAP connection from
the beginning and connect; and go on your merry way. Before you log off
you must remember to run the script, which completes the kludge
solution to the problem.

It works but be free to ignore it if you hate kludges.
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Re: FR: NetworkManagerDispatcher should fireup scripts owned by any user.

2007-07-09 Thread Aaron Konstam
On Sun, 2007-07-08 at 21:02 -0400, Hans Deragon wrote:
 Greetings.
 
 
   [ Resending with a less annoying title and non signed email;
 Please reply to this email instead to start a thread.
 My apologies ]
 
   I would like to propose a new feature.  The NetworkManagerDispatcher
   should call any scripts found under NM_SCRIPT_DIR (currently hardcoded
   to '/etc/NetworkManager/dispatcher.d' directory), regardless of the
   owner.  Currently, it only executes scripts owned by root.
There is no such directory on my Fedora 7 machine. What version of Linux
is being used?
 
   Scripts would be executed with the EUID set to the user owning the
   script.  This would prevent a user to gain root privileges.  But with
   this feature, users without any admin privileges could add their own
   scripts.  For instance, they could set ssh tunnels when getting
   connected to a particular network.
 
   NM_SCRIPT_DIR would have the sticky bit set, like /tmp.  From chmod
   man page:
 
  When the sticky bit is set on a directory, files in that directory
  may be unlinked or renamed only by the directory owner as well as
  by  root or the file owner.  Without the sticky bit, anyone able to
  write to the directory can delete or rename files.  The sticky bit
  is commonly found on directories, such as /tmp, that are
  world-writable.
 
   Comments are welcomed.
 
   If my proposal is welcomed, I could give a try coding it and submit a
   patch.  Instead of calling system() directly, a fork would be
   executed, and the child would perform a setuid() call prior calling
   system().  One advantage of forking is that the daemon would never
   freeze since only the children would call shell commands.  Thus if a
   shell command loops indefinitely, the main daemon isn't affected.
 
 
 Best regards,
 Hans Deragon
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Re: Leap authentication problem in NM.- once again

2007-07-06 Thread Aaron Konstam
On Fri, 2007-07-06 at 09:28 +0100, Jon Escombe wrote:
 
  Hmm, that patch shouldn't have changed the logic for LEAP authentication..
  Do we know what version was last working ok for Aaron (6.4 / 6.5)?
 
  Regards,
  Jon.

 
 Looking at the applet code, I'm suspicious that the 6.5 changes that 
 broke some WPA2 configs have done the same to LEAP. So we might just 
 need to extend that last patch to include LEAP networks.
 
 Aaron, does your LEAP passphrase get stored in the keyring or in gconf? 
 You might need to install the gnome-keyring-manager to check the 
 keyring. If it's in the keyring then I would expect it only to work when 
 you enter all the information through the applet, but not when it 
 re-connects? If this is the case then it is the issue above  should be 
 a simple fix...
 
 Regards,
 Jon
Yes the passphrase gets stored in the gnome-keyring. The problem is
exactly as you describe it. It last worked in the Unstable CVS version
last September which was probably 6.4
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[Fwd: Re: Leap authentication problem in NM.- once again]

2007-07-06 Thread Aaron Konstam
 Forwarded Message 
From: Aaron Konstam [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Dan Williams [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Leap authentication problem in NM.- once again
Date: Fri, 06 Jul 2007 08:53:06 -0500

On Thu, 2007-07-05 at 22:49 -0400, Dan Williams wrote:
 On Thu, 2007-07-05 at 15:14 -0500, Aaron Konstam wrote:
  On Thu, 2007-07-05 at 13:23 -0400, Darren Albers wrote:
   On 7/5/07, Aaron Konstam [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Mon, 2007-07-02 at 15:18 -0500, Aaron Konstam wrote:
 I am using NetworkManager-0.6.5-6.fc7 on F7 but it is not working
 properly.

 When I set up a WEP authentication I am asked to enter the id number 
 of
 the Access point then I am asked for a passwd phrase which when 
 entered
 causes the connecton to be made.

 When I subsequently login I am asked for the passwd phrase; which when
 entered proceeds to make the connection.

 When I choose LEAP authentication I am asked for a login and passwd.
 Then I am asked for a passwd phrase (which I don't remember happening 
 in
 earlier LEAP authentication.) The connection is then made.

 Subsequently when I login to the machine I am not asked for a passwd
 phrase and the NM-applet keeps searching endlessly for a connection.

 Something is wrong. Could someone either confirm that this is a error 
 in
 the program or tell me how to make it work?
   
I don't know why complex questions can get answered but simple ones do
not, so let me try again.
   
Is LEAP authentication using NM supposed to ask you for a password at
the end of the configuration process? It is happening and it screws
things up as described above.
   
If you want a bugzilla I will file one.
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   Probably because not many people who lurk here answering questions
   have used LEAP so they don't know the answer...
   
   Is the second request for a passphrase your keyring passphrase?
  
  Yes it is? Ok maybe it is time for a bugzilla. The developer of this
  capability must know how it is supposed to work, It used to work in an
  earlier NM version.
 
 My guess is that it was the patch that made WPA[2] Enterprise
 certificate stuff stop asking for passwords in applet-dbus-info.c,
 nmi_dbus_get_key_for_network().  That changed the password request
 logic, possibly for the worse with LEAP.  What exactly are your LEAP
 options, just user and password, right?
 
 Dan
 
I am asked for a user and passwd. Then I am asked for a passphrase. But
no request ever appears on login asking me to enter the passphrase.
It is frustrating I am sure for both of us. This used to work in the
Unstable version last September.

Should I post the syslog entries as Darren Albers asked for or is it
time for a bugzilla?

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Requested syslog for LEAP authenticatiln sequence

2007-07-06 Thread Aaron Konstam
Attached is the syslog messages generated for my machine being attached
to a hard wired connection to attempting to connect to an access point
using LEAP authentication. I gzipped the file.

Maybe I am naive but the problem seems clear. The system requests a key
for TrinityAP the access point. It gets the key. Then determines that it
is encrypted and it hasn't the key to decrypt it.

One solution seems to me is to have the system at that poinnt ask the
user to enter a key as it does in WEP authentication and once entered
the connection is made.

Alternately no passphrase cold be asked for in the set up of the LEAP
authentication as NM used to do prevously.

If anyone wants me to file a buzilla, I assume at [EMAIL PROTECTED],
let me know and I will.

One additional thing. What is the meaning of the line on the syslog:


Jul  6 09:42:11 localhost NetworkManager: info  Error getting
killswitch power: org.freedesktop.Hal.Device.KillSwitch.NotSupported -
Access type not supported

and what can be done about it?

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Re: Leap authentication problem in NM.- once again

2007-07-06 Thread Aaron Konstam
On Fri, 2007-07-06 at 15:24 +0100, Jon Escombe wrote:
 - Aaron Konstam [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
   Looking at the applet code, I'm suspicious that the 6.5 changes that 
   broke some WPA2 configs have done the same to LEAP. So we might just 
   need to extend that last patch to include LEAP networks.
   
   Aaron, does your LEAP passphrase get stored in the keyring or in gconf? 
   You might need to install the gnome-keyring-manager to check the 
   keyring. If it's in the keyring then I would expect it only to work when 
   you enter all the information through the applet, but not when it 
   re-connects? If this is the case then it is the issue above  should be 
   a simple fix...
   
   Regards,
   Jon
 
  Yes the passphrase gets stored in the gnome-keyring. The problem is
  exactly as you describe it. It last worked in the Unstable CVS version
  last September which was probably 6.4
 
 The attached patch should allow fetching the LEAP passphrase from the 
 keyring. I'm assuming it's always stored there for LEAP networks and doesn't 
 need a conditional check like the WPA2 case.
 
 Regards,
 Jon.
How can I apply the patch and to What? NetworkManager?
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Re: Leap authentication problem in NM.- correection

2007-07-06 Thread Aaron Konstam
On Fri, 2007-07-06 at 15:24 +0100, Jon Escombe wrote:
 - Aaron Konstam [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
   Looking at the applet code, I'm suspicious that the 6.5 changes that 
   broke some WPA2 configs have done the same to LEAP. So we might just 
   need to extend that last patch to include LEAP networks.
   
   Aaron, does your LEAP passphrase get stored in the keyring or in gconf? 
   You might need to install the gnome-keyring-manager to check the 
   keyring. If it's in the keyring then I would expect it only to work when 
   you enter all the information through the applet, but not when it 
   re-connects? If this is the case then it is the issue above  should be 
   a simple fix...
   
   Regards,
   Jon
 
  Yes the passphrase gets stored in the gnome-keyring. The problem is
  exactly as you describe it. It last worked in the Unstable CVS version
  last September which was probably 6.4
 htings are more complicated then I thought.
 The attached patch should allow fetching the LEAP passphrase from the 
 keyring. I'm assuming it's always stored there for LEAP networks and doesn't 
 need a conditional check like the WPA2 case.
I have a correction on what I said earlier. It is clear that 
things are more complicated then I thought.

When you configure LEAP authentication you are asked foe a user name,
then a passwd and finally you are asked for a passphrase. What appears
in the gnome keyring is the passwd not the passphrase. Previously in NM
a passphrase was not asked for so I am not sure where it is stored.
Probably the same place it is stored for the WEP configuration.

I will try to file a bugzilla but it might not be today.

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Re: Leap authentication problem in NM.- once again

2007-07-05 Thread Aaron Konstam
On Mon, 2007-07-02 at 15:18 -0500, Aaron Konstam wrote:
 I am using NetworkManager-0.6.5-6.fc7 on F7 but it is not working
 properly.
 
 When I set up a WEP authentication I am asked to enter the id number of
 the Access point then I am asked for a passwd phrase which when entered
 causes the connecton to be made.
 
 When I subsequently login I am asked for the passwd phrase; which when
 entered proceeds to make the connection.
  
 When I choose LEAP authentication I am asked for a login and passwd.
 Then I am asked for a passwd phrase (which I don't remember happening in
 earlier LEAP authentication.) The connection is then made.
 
 Subsequently when I login to the machine I am not asked for a passwd
 phrase and the NM-applet keeps searching endlessly for a connection.
 
 Something is wrong. Could someone either confirm that this is a error in
 the program or tell me how to make it work?

I don't know why complex questions can get answered but simple ones do
not, so let me try again.

Is LEAP authentication using NM supposed to ask you for a password at
the end of the configuration process? It is happening and it screws
things up as described above.

If you want a bugzilla I will file one.
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Re: Leap authentication problem in NM.- once again

2007-07-05 Thread Aaron Konstam
On Thu, 2007-07-05 at 13:23 -0400, Darren Albers wrote:
 On 7/5/07, Aaron Konstam [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  On Mon, 2007-07-02 at 15:18 -0500, Aaron Konstam wrote:
   I am using NetworkManager-0.6.5-6.fc7 on F7 but it is not working
   properly.
  
   When I set up a WEP authentication I am asked to enter the id number of
   the Access point then I am asked for a passwd phrase which when entered
   causes the connecton to be made.
  
   When I subsequently login I am asked for the passwd phrase; which when
   entered proceeds to make the connection.
  
   When I choose LEAP authentication I am asked for a login and passwd.
   Then I am asked for a passwd phrase (which I don't remember happening in
   earlier LEAP authentication.) The connection is then made.
  
   Subsequently when I login to the machine I am not asked for a passwd
   phrase and the NM-applet keeps searching endlessly for a connection.
  
   Something is wrong. Could someone either confirm that this is a error in
   the program or tell me how to make it work?
 
  I don't know why complex questions can get answered but simple ones do
  not, so let me try again.
 
  Is LEAP authentication using NM supposed to ask you for a password at
  the end of the configuration process? It is happening and it screws
  things up as described above.
 
  If you want a bugzilla I will file one.
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 Probably because not many people who lurk here answering questions
 have used LEAP so they don't know the answer...
 
 Is the second request for a passphrase your keyring passphrase?

Yes it is? Ok maybe it is time for a bugzilla. The developer of this
capability must know how it is supposed to work, It used to work in an
earlier NM version.
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Leap authentication problem in NM.

2007-07-02 Thread Aaron Konstam
I am using NetworkManager-0.6.5-6.fc7 on F7 but it is not working
properly.

When I set up a WEP authentication I am asked to enter the id number of
the Access point then I am asked for a passwd phrase which when entered
causes the connecton to be made.

When I subsequently login I am asked for the passwd phrase; which when
entered proceeds to make the connection.
 
When I choose LEAP authentication I am asked for a login and passwd.
Then I am asked for a passwd phrase (which I don't remember happening in
earlier LEAP authentication.) The connection is then made.

Subsequently when I login to the machine I am not asked for a passwd
phrase and the NM-applet keeps searching endlessly for a connection.

Something is wrong. Could someone either confirm that this is a error in
the program or tell me how to make it work?
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Re: Strange NetweorkManager behavior.

2007-06-24 Thread Aaron Konstam
On Sat, 2007-06-23 at 21:20 +1200, Simon Geard wrote:
 On Fri, 2007-06-22 at 17:40 -0500, Aaron Konstam wrote:
  Has anyone else seen this. Sometimes when I am connected to a wireless
   access point using nm-applet and NetworkManager the system in F7 says I
   am connected to a wired network. Any comments out there?
 
 Seen something similar, not sure if it's related. I use a desktop
 machine connecting via wireless, never over ethernet. Normally, NM
 attempts to connect to wireless as soon as I log in, but on some
 occasions lately, it seems to think it's got a wired connection -
 nm-applet displays that icon, and it doesn't prompt for keyring
 password. It certainly doesn't have a wired connection - no cable is
 connected, and /sys/class/net/eth0/carrier reports 0.
 
 This is running NM 0.6.5 and nm-applet 0.6.5, both build from tarballs
 on an LFS system. I've been running those for a while though - the only
 things that have changed that might affect NM are a) rebuilding NM with
 the patch for Atheros signal strength, and b) upgrading kernel from
 2.6.20.7 to to 2.6.21.5.
 
 Simon.
You are obviously not using F7 so I can't comment this similarity.
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Strange NetweorkManager behavior.

2007-06-22 Thread Aaron Konstam

 Has anyone else seen this. Sometimes when I am connected to a wireless
 access point using nm-applet and NetworkManager the system in F7 says I
 am connected to a wired network. Any comments out there?
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Re: Weird nm-applet behavior.

2007-03-25 Thread Aaron Konstam
On Sun, 2007-03-25 at 09:42 +0200, dragoran wrote:
 I can confirm that this works fine with 0.6.4 but not with 0.6.5 so its 
 not a driver issue.

Has 0.6.5 been released? I thought it had not. Does 0.6.5 have LEAP
authentication, and where can it be found?
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Weird nm-applet behavior.

2007-03-24 Thread Aaron Konstam
What is described below has happened to me at least twice. I asked about
it on this list and got no real assistance. Can anyone guess why this
would happen? The person who posted below was using FC6 and I was was
using FC5 if that is important.

2/ NetworkManager has started to claim that it has successfully
connected to a wired network. This is weird as the computer isn't
connected to a wired network. All network access is through a PCI
wireless card. Still works fine. It just thinks it's the wrong kind of
network.
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Re: Incorrect symbol dispalyed for wrelwss connection.

2007-03-18 Thread Aaron Konstam
On Sat, 2007-03-17 at 13:25 -0400, Dan Williams wrote:
 On Sat, 2007-03-17 at 09:50 -0500, Aaron Konstam wrote:
  What does this mean or indicate.
  
  Suddenly at home when NM makes a connection with wireless access point
  instead of the vertical bars t displays the wired connection symbol and
  when you put the courser on the symbol it says wired connection.
  Only thong that seems relevant is the kernel was upgraded
  to:2.6.20-1.2300.fc5
  This is FC5 and the connection works.
 
 Do you have anything plugged into your Ethernet port?  What's the value
 of /sys/class/net/ethX/carrier when you _don't_ have anything plugged in
 (replace ethX with the name of your wired device).
 
 Dan
 
 
This stopped happening as soundingly as it started. Nothing was plugged
into the Ethernet port at the time. When or if it happens again I will
try the test you suggest. For now I just will stay confused.
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Incorrect symbol dispalyed for wrelwss connection.

2007-03-17 Thread Aaron Konstam
What does this mean or indicate.

Suddenly at home when NM makes a connection with wireless access point
instead of the vertical bars t displays the wired connection symbol and
when you put the courser on the symbol it says wired connection.
Only thong that seems relevant is the kernel was upgraded
to:2.6.20-1.2300.fc5
This is FC5 and the connection works.

What is going on. 



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Clarification on SVN storage of NetworkManager versions

2007-03-15 Thread Aaron Konstam
Am I to conclude that the NetwoprkManager source is now stored in a
Subversion database rather than CVI. How does one download a binary
version of NetworkManager from the SVN database?
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A question of how connection proceeds.

2007-02-01 Thread Aaron Konstam
I have been having trouble with an access point that is Leap
authenticated. What sees form the applet display is an circular arrow
continuing to precess and then finally a connection signaled by vertical
bars.

What is happening in the  connecton process when the arrow precesses and
what event causes the vertical bar to appear? I ask because the arrow
precesses but the vertical bar does not appear. Sometimes the connection
is made to a different access point and sometimes the whole process
fails irrevocably in  the sense no access point can be connected to.
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[Fwd: failure of NETWORKMANAGER_)^_$_RELEASE ond FC5]

2007-01-31 Thread Aaron Konstam


In order to get LEAP authentication I installed the unstable version of
NetworkManager from the CVS on Sept 4. This worked well for a whale but
in November (possibly affected by a security patch installed on the
system) Leap authentication was spotty.

So I downloaded NETWORKMANAGER_0.6_4_Release on Dec 26. I compiles it
successfully but just installed it today. It failed to work in the
following sense.

The nm-applet was launched automatically and I was asked for the
password on the access point. Immediately thereafter the connection
failed leaving the well known symbol on the upper panel of my desktop
and I could not revive it of make it try again to connect.

I immediately reinstalled the unstable version which worked.

Now what can I do to get you the details that would allow you to debug
the reason for failure. This product has always just worked out of the
box on FC5 so I ma stumped. What can I do to pin point the reasons for
failure?
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Re: A couple of minor issues with NM

2006-12-24 Thread Aaron Konstam
On Fri, 2006-12-22 at 19:42 -0500, Darren Albers wrote:
 
  No.
  It always tries to connect to a network I very seldom use.
 
 Are both open network or is one WEP and the other open?  I /think/
 that Network Manager will not automatically connect to an unencrypted
 network but I am not certain since I rarely use an unencrypted
 networks since I got my Aircard.
In my environment NM allows me to connect to both WEP encripted networks
and open networks with problem.
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[Fwd: Re: Status of NM with LEAP authentication feature.]

2006-11-17 Thread Aaron Konstam
 Forwarded Message 
From: Aaron Konstam [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Dan Williams [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Status of NM with LEAP authentication feature.
Date: Sun, 15 Oct 2006 08:59:36 -0500

On Sat, 2006-10-14 at 10:41 -0400, Dan Williams wrote:
   ___
  I hate to be the only idiot on the list. I downloaded the
  NetworkManager source from the CVS database close to a month ago. I
  compiled it and installed the compiled code. This version of NM
 works in
  out universities wireless system that uses LEAP authentication. So
 why
  are we still patching to get this capability.
 
 If you downloaded from HEAD, then the LEAP patch was applied in July.
 For the STABLE branch, the LEAP patch has not been applied.
 Distributions are using the STABLE branch, because, of course, it's
 stable.
 
 Dan
  
Look let me give you some background. I will soon get my 50th year in
computer technology. When I started in this field there were no
transistors or certainly no wireless communication. 7 years ago I
finished 38 years of teaching Computer Science at the college level.
In the last years of teaching I taught the course of Computer
Communication and Networking, so I am not a complete ignoramus on the
subject, but again wireless communication when I retired was in its
infancy. During the time I was involved with teaching the technology of
managing large computer software projects CVS was not in use.

I am trying to catch up as fast as I time but there is a lot to catch up
on. So your answer might be go learn about CVS!, and I can sympathize
with that answer.

However here is the problem. When I execute the commands:

 cvs -d :pserver:[EMAIL PROTECTED]:/cvs/gnome login
cvs -d :pserver:[EMAIL PROTECTED]:/cvs/gnome co NetworkManager

I seem to be getting what is at the CVS HEAD. I haven't a clue how I get
what is at CVS STABLE. Could you enlighten me?
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Re: As a point of reference.

2006-11-07 Thread Aaron Konstam
Sometime at the end of the suummer I installed the version of NM that does LEAP 
authentication. 
It worked for 2 months and this week it stopped working consistantly. I
reinstalled the version I had installed before and it is working better.

Would installing the current HEAD version  in the CVS database be
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Re: network manager cannot connect to hex network

2006-10-18 Thread Aaron Konstam
On Sun, 2006-10-15 at 16:15 -0700, colin williams wrote:
 I'm having trouble with network manager. When I choose to connect to a
 network and type in the hex key the connect button never lights up.
 I can manually connect to the network using iwconfig and the key.
 Anybody have a work around? 
One thing I would do is not use a hex key (I assume yo mean a WEP key).
I would use a 13 character  ASCII key.
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Re: Status of NM with LEAP authentication feature.

2006-10-14 Thread Aaron Konstam
On Sat, 2006-10-14 at 01:53 -0300, Thiago Bauermann wrote:
 2006/10/13, Thiago Bauermann [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
 2006/10/12, Dan Williams [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
 On Wed, 2006-10-11 at 16:10 -0500, Aaron Konstam
 wrote:
  Up to now I have been using NM with LEAP
 authentication on my FC5
  machine. To do this I had to download the source
 from the CVS repository 
  and compile. 
  Will this version of NM be ever be ready as an RPM?
 In FC6 maybe?
 Somebody could backport the patch... hint
 hint :)  It's pretty
 self-contained.
 I have just downloaded the source tarball for NM 0.6.4 and
 applied the LEAP patch to it.
 Amasingly enough, the only reject is in src/Makefile.am, which
 is trivial to fix.
 NM compiled and ran correctly. Unfortunately, I don't have a
 LEAP network around right now, 
 so I can't confirm that it connects to it, but I think it
 would. At least NM does all the steps it should and sends
 wpa_supplicant the correct config for a LEAP network...
 
 Ok,  just to confirm: the LEAP patch works without problems on 0.6.x
 versions of NM (I'm using it right now on NM 0.6.3! :-) ). Attached is
 a patch which applies cleanly to 0.6.x .
 -- 
 
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I hate to be the only idiot on the list. I downloaded the
NetworkManager source from the CVS database close to a month ago. I
compiled it and installed the compiled code. This version of NM works in
out universities wireless system that uses LEAP authentication. So why
are we still patching to get this capability.
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Question about NM icon]

2006-10-12 Thread Aaron Konstam
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On Wed, 2006-10-11 at 19:19 +0200, Tomasz Torcz wrote:
 On Tue, Oct 10, 2006 at 11:56:59AM -0700, Joshua L. Phillips wrote:
  My University uses the same setup. Just click on the NM icon, select to 
  connect to a new network, select WPA2 Enterprise, and just enter the 
  SSID and your identity/password. It should take care of the rest. (Works 
  for me anyways...)
I have to ask this. In FC4 and FC5 there is no NM icon that I can find.
Where is this located and up to now I have connected without needing it
using nm-applet? Am I missing someting important?
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Status of NM with LEAP authentication feature.

2006-10-11 Thread Aaron Konstam



Up to now I have been using NM with LEAP authentication on my FC5
machine. To do this I had to download the source from the CVS repository
and compile.

Will this version of NM be ever be ready as an RPM? In FC6 maybe?
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Re: A problem compiling NetworkManager.

2006-08-29 Thread Aaron Konstam
On Tue, 2006-08-29 at 12:39 -0500, Steev Klimaszewski wrote:
 -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-
 Hash: SHA1
 
 Dan Williams wrote:
  On Sun, 2006-08-27 at 08:34 -0500, Aaron Konstam wrote:
  On Fri, 2006-08-25 at 16:44 -0500, Steev Klimaszewski wrote:
  -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-
  Hash: SHA1
 
  Aaron Konstam wrote:
  snippage
 
  Glad to hear you got further.  I am not sure about LEAP support, but if
  you are building from CVS, then I guess you should have it, but someone
  more familiar with CVS would have a better answer for you (I am simply a
  packager for Gentoo, no commit access.)  As to the dbus-glib-1 - that is
  either dbus-0.60+ or dbus-0.91+dbus-glib-0.71
 
  hth
  Well I have dbus-061 installed as well as dbus-glib-0.61.
 
  So now what am I to do? I really would like some direction on compiling
  this NetworkManager from the CVS.
  
  Are you still getting the same error about automake macros?
  
  Note that if you don't have dbus = 0.90 you'll have to:
  
  s/dbus_connection_close/dbus_connection_disconnect/
  
  Dan
  
  
  
 Actually, pretty sure dbus_connection_close was added in dbus .34... Was
 some discussion about that last night because of needing to patch a few
 things to work with dbus .91 on Gentoo.
I am not sure what the above means where do you use:
s/dbus_connection_close/dbus_connection_disconnect/

The dbus error is the one that is holding me up right now. Is it a
matter that this compileing only works on Gentoo. Others reporting that
htey suceeded in the compiling using the same method. So I am mystified.
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Re: A problem compiling NetworkManager.

2006-08-27 Thread Aaron Konstam
On Fri, 2006-08-25 at 16:44 -0500, Steev Klimaszewski wrote:
 -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-
 Hash: SHA1
 
 Aaron Konstam wrote:
 snippage
 
 Glad to hear you got further.  I am not sure about LEAP support, but if
 you are building from CVS, then I guess you should have it, but someone
 more familiar with CVS would have a better answer for you (I am simply a
 packager for Gentoo, no commit access.)  As to the dbus-glib-1 - that is
 either dbus-0.60+ or dbus-0.91+dbus-glib-0.71
 
 hth
Well I have dbus-061 installed as well as dbus-glib-0.61.

So now what am I to do? I really would like some direction on compiling
this NetworkManager from the CVS.
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Re: A problem compiling NetworkManager.

2006-08-25 Thread Aaron Konstam
On Fri, 2006-08-25 at 09:23 -0400, Matthew Saltzman wrote:
 On Thu, 24 Aug 2006, Aaron Konstam wrote:
 
  Here during the autogen.sh step I get these errors:
  Checking for required M4 macros...
   libtool.m4 not found
   glib-gettext.m4 not found
  Checking for forbidden M4 macros...
  ***Error***: some autoconf macros required to build NetworkManager
   were not found in your aclocal path, or some forbidden
   macros were found.  Perhaps you need to adjust your
   ACLOCAL_FLAGS?
 
  What is the correct proceedure to fix these errors and procede? I
  appologize if the problem has been well discussed before and I missed
  it.
 
 $ rpm -qf `locate libtool.m4`
 libtool-1.5.22-2.3
 $ rpm -qf `locate glib-gettext.m4`ell you weere half right
 

Well you were half right. glib2-devel was notinstalled. Things got
further but I was stopped in my tracks by the error message:
Package requirements not met: dbus-glib-1 = 0.60


Now that is a puzzle since I can't find that program anywhere except for
a site that cannot be reached. At least for FC5.

One more thing is this NetworkManager I am trying to produce the one
that has LEAP support? Otherwise I am wasting my time.

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Re: A problem compiling NetworkManager.

2006-08-24 Thread Aaron Konstam
On Thu, 2006-08-24 at 16:17 -0500, Aaron Konstam wrote:
 On Thu, 2006-08-24 at 16:23 -0400, Darren Albers wrote:
  I think you need to install automake
 automake-1.9..6-2 is installed. I guess I could try to update it.
 
 Sorry , but here top posting seemed appropriate.
  
  On 8/24/06, Aaron Konstam [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
   I am probably doing something really stupid but I have to ask. I am
   trying to compile NetworkManager from the CVS repository using
   instructions found  on :
   http://www.gnome.org/projects/NetworkManager/developers/
  
   The first thing is compile gnome-common using the following
   instructions:
  
cvs -d :server:[EMAIL PROTECTED]:/cvs/gnome login
   cvs -d :pserver:[EMAIL PROTECTED]:/cvs/gnome co gnome-common
   cd gnome-common
   ./autogen.sh --prefix=/usr
   cd macros2
   make
make install
  
  
   Now we get to compiling and installing NetworkManager. THe isntructions
   were :
 cvs -d :pserver:[EMAIL PROTECTED]:/cvs/gnome login
   cvs -d :pserver:[EMAIL PROTECTED]:/cvs/gnome co NetworkManager
   cd NetworkManager
   ./autogen.sh --prefix=/usr --sysconfdir=/etc --localstatedir=/var
   make
make install
  
   Here during the autogen.sh step I get these errors:
   Checking for required M4 macros...
 libtool.m4 not found
 glib-gettext.m4 not found
   Checking for forbidden M4 macros...
   ***Error***: some autoconf macros required to build NetworkManager
 were not found in your aclocal path, or some forbidden
 macros were found.  Perhaps you need to adjust your
 ACLOCAL_FLAGS?
  
   What is the correct proceedure to fix these errors and procede? I
   appologize if the problem has been well discussed before and I missed
   it.
  
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Re: A problem compiling NetworkManager.

2006-08-24 Thread Aaron Konstam
On Thu, 2006-08-24 at 16:38 -0500, Aaron Konstam wrote:
 On Thu, 2006-08-24 at 16:17 -0500, Aaron Konstam wrote:
  On Thu, 2006-08-24 at 16:23 -0400, Darren Albers wrote:
   I think you need to install automake

automake-1.9..6-2 is installed. I guess I could try to update it. 

 Sorry , but here top posting seemed appropriate. I also apologize for 
duplicate messages
because of my confusion. Any further ideas on what to do?
   
   On 8/24/06, Aaron Konstam [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I am probably doing something really stupid but I have to ask. I am
trying to compile NetworkManager from the CVS repository using
instructions found  on :
http://www.gnome.org/projects/NetworkManager/developers/
   
The first thing is compile gnome-common using the following
instructions:
   
 cvs -d :server:[EMAIL PROTECTED]:/cvs/gnome login
cvs -d :pserver:[EMAIL PROTECTED]:/cvs/gnome co gnome-common
cd gnome-common
./autogen.sh --prefix=/usr
cd macros2
make
 make install
   
   
Now we get to compiling and installing NetworkManager. THe isntructions
were :
  cvs -d :pserver:[EMAIL PROTECTED]:/cvs/gnome login
cvs -d :pserver:[EMAIL PROTECTED]:/cvs/gnome co NetworkManager
cd NetworkManager
./autogen.sh --prefix=/usr --sysconfdir=/etc --localstatedir=/var
make
 make install
   
Here during the autogen.sh step I get these errors:
Checking for required M4 macros...
  libtool.m4 not found
  glib-gettext.m4 not found
Checking for forbidden M4 macros...
***Error***: some autoconf macros required to build NetworkManager
  were not found in your aclocal path, or some forbidden
  macros were found.  Perhaps you need to adjust your
  ACLOCAL_FLAGS?
   
What is the correct proceedure to fix these errors and procede? I
appologize if the problem has been well discussed before and I missed
it.
   
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Re: Website Broken

2006-07-26 Thread Aaron Konstam
On Tue, 2006-07-25 at 22:44 -0400, Paul Dugas wrote:
 Header is okay for me but the text in the Flexible, Extendable, Open
 paragraphs is floating over, not wrapping around the screenshot image.
 See attached.
 
 I'm running FireFox-1.5.0.4 on updated Fedora Code 5.
 
 Paul
This is happening to me also but not all the time.
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Re: Website Broken - additional info

2006-07-26 Thread Aaron Konstam
On Wed, 2006-07-26 at 08:41 -0500, Aaron Konstam wrote:
 On Tue, 2006-07-25 at 22:44 -0400, Paul Dugas wrote:
  Header is okay for me but the text in the Flexible, Extendable, Open
  paragraphs is floating over, not wrapping around the screenshot image.
  See attached.
  
  I'm running FireFox-1.5.0.4 on updated Fedora Code 5.
  
  Paul
 This is happening to me also but not all the time.
It happens to me with firefox but not konqueror. So it must be a firefox
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Re: Website Broken

2006-07-26 Thread Aaron Konstam
On Wed, 2006-07-26 at 23:12 +0200, Dominik Sandjaja wrote:
 Hello,
 
 Am Mittwoch, den 26.07.2006, 13:15 -0500 schrieb Jason Martens:
  Darren Albers wrote:
   It /seems/ to look ok to me...   What browser are you using?
 
  Sorry, wasn't paying attention.  Here's a screenshot of what it looks
  like in my browser, which says it is Firefox/1.5.0.4
  (Debian-1.5.dfsg+1.5.0.4-1).
 
 the Administrators-page looks like this:
 http://dadadom.de/images/screenshot.png
 on my browser (Firefox 1.5.0.4, FC5). So it's definitely not a
 Debian-only-problem ;)
 
 Dominik
I am getting the same behavior in FC5 so I agree it is not a Debian
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Re: [PATCH] LEAP support in NetworkManager

2006-07-24 Thread Aaron Konstam
On Thu, 2006-07-13 at 13:07 -0400, Dan Williams wrote:
 On Fri, 2006-07-07 at 20:32 -0300, Thiago Bauermann wrote:
  Hi folks,
  
  This is a patch which adds LEAP support to NetworkManager. It has two
  issues
  which I am aware of, but it's most definetly usable (and useful!).
 
I am interested in the LEAP support but I am unclear where to find the
NM that contains it. Is it one of the distributions of source code you
can get from the NetworkManager home site? If so which is it?
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wpa_supplicant

2006-06-22 Thread Aaron Konstam
I am having a hard time filding wpa_supplicant. I downloaded a source
for it but when I compiled it I got the error that 

SCARD_S_SUCCESS

was undeclared. Any help out there?

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Subscribing to lost

2006-06-17 Thread Aaron Konstam
It has happened again. No matter how I try I cannot resubscribe to the
list. Could someone on help me?
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A reconsideration of the list reply configuration.

2006-05-14 Thread Aaron Konstam
When I am wrong I an wrong. I have been thinking about it. Despite what
red hat lists do I think that return to message sender is the best
configuration of this list.

With appropriate e-mail clients we can then:
1. reply to the poster of the message. [reply]
2. reply to the list alone {reply to list]
3. reply to both [reply all]

The only bad thing is that some mail clients [mutt for example] do not
have these three options but you can fake it if your clever.
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mailman list manager has a misconfiguration.

2006-05-13 Thread Aaron Konstam
I don't know if my comment about the misconfiguration of this list got
lost in shuffle. But unlike most mailman lists this list is not
configured to have postings include a reply to: option pointing to the
list itself rather than to the sender of the post.
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Re: mailman list manager has a misconfiguration.

2006-05-13 Thread Aaron Konstam
On Sat, 2006-05-13 at 10:47 -0400, Gene Heskett wrote:
 Aaron Konstam wrote:
  I don't know if my comment about the misconfiguration of this list got
  lost in shuffle. But unlike most mailman lists this list is not
  configured to have postings include a reply to: option pointing to the
  list itself rather than to the sender of the post.
  --
 
 I've been advised by someone on this list that this list does it 
 correctly and the rest of the world is wrong, but frankly Aaron I detest 
 having to bomb both your mailbox and the list by using reply to all in 
 order for my reply to go to the list.  It should default to the list, 
 and only include your private address if I 'reply all'.  This is one of 
 the reasons I don't think I have a 'reply to:' set here.
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Re: A comment on NetworkManager

2006-05-12 Thread Aaron Konstam
On Fri, 2006-05-12 at 10:39 -0500, Gene Heskett wrote:
 Garry Williams wrote:
  On 5/11/06, Gene Heskett [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  p.roediger wrote:
   Aaron Konstam schrieb:
   On Thu, 2006-05-11 at 02:48 +0200, Peter Roediger wrote:
 
  [snip]
 
  So when is it going to be made compatible with kde
 
  I run FC5 (updated from FC4) on a Sony Vaio FS640/W.  (This uses the
  Intel ipw2200 wireless adapter.)
 
  I decided to use KDE (after years with Gnome) about two months ago.
  nm-applet will run in KDE just fine.  I added
 
   /usr/libexec/gnome-settings-daemon
   /usr/bin/gnome-keyring-daemon
 
  to my start-up list.
 
  All works as expected here with one minor exception: The nm-applet
  icon occasionally disappears from the panel, leaving a blank spot
  where it used to be.  If I unplug or plug in my wired Ethernet cable,
  nm-applet still notifies me that the change has occurred.  I can
  restore the icon by manually killing and restarting nm-applet.  It
  will also spontaneously reappear.  I haven't figured why this happens.
 
  I intend to give KNetworkManager a try when I get some time, but I
  have all NM functionality now with KDE and without KNetworkManager.
 
 What is this nm_applet people are talking about?  I don't believe its 
 installed on this FC5 system.

It is vry habdy for scanning available access points. You should install
it if it is not installed.
It is part of the : 
-- NetworkManager-gnome-0.5.1-1.FC4.4 rpm

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Re: A comment on NetworkManager

2006-05-11 Thread Aaron Konstam
On Thu, 2006-05-11 at 02:48 +0200, Peter Roediger wrote:
 Hi everyone,
 
 I thought I should write a little -personal- comment on what I think
 about the current implementation of NetworkManager and, more
 importantly, its design goals. First of all, I'm very pleased to see
 that there is some effort going on to make a linux desktop more
 user-friendly in terms of network usage and managing more than one
 network device in more than one (wireless) network. So far,
 NetworkManager looks to me like a very good approach to it, though it
 has some, in my view, major shortcomings which I'd like to address in
 this mail. 
 
 1.) Wireless networks list.
 There is no Search for wireless networks or Refresh wireless
 networks list button/option in the applet. While this seems to be
 convenient in the first place it turns out to be not in some cases.
 Consider this: Many laptops nowadays feature an LED that shows the
 status of the wireless connection ( e.g. flashing when it's not
 connected, etc.). Thus people will naturally switch the wireless
 network off when it's not needed. Then, they might disconnect their
 wired LAN at one point and go to some place that is supplied by a
 wireless network. Now, they turn on their wireless network card by a
 hardware switch and...they have to wait. They have to wait until NM
 will update the list. Which will take some time. The average user will
 not understand this behavior. But the average user would understand an
 option mentioned above. It's easy. Easier than a WEP key. 
 Or something else: You walk around in a foreign city in order to find
 a hotspot to logon to. There is a desperate need to update the list
 immediately. It's simply crucial.
I must be pretty confused. I use my wireless at home and at work and
nm-applet shows me immediately the wireless access points that are
available.
 
2.) The configuration issue.
In my view NetworkManager is one of the most intransparent linux
applications out there. There's no Documentation (correct me if I'm
wrong), there is no configuration file easily accessible and there are
weird things going on with resolv.conf. How is it configured? How can I
change the DNS server without violating # generated by NetworkManager,
do not edit!? Do I have to use a special program.

In answer to part of point two, it is the DHCP server that supplies the
addresses of the DNS servers not NM


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WEP vs WPA

2006-04-19 Thread Aaron Konstam


I must be losing something is the WEP vs wpa discussion. wpa is supposed
to be more secure than WEP, However currently my WEP access at home is
secured by a 13 character (128 bit) passwd. In addition there the
keyring string. That seems pretty secure to me.

Could someone explain why this security is so compromisable that the
added trouble of wpa is worth doing?
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Help I am stuck in limbo

2006-04-19 Thread Aaron Konstam
I obviously unsubscribed from the list but nothing I do will allow me to
subscribe again. What can I  do?
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