Fedora16 - Brain dead wireless network manager
f16 and gnome 3. I don't know what ver of Network Manager... Now I know a little bit about 802.11. I am currently at the IEEE 802 wireless interim meeting in Jacksonville, FL. Most of my time is in 802.15.9 (I am the chair), but I still attend 802.11 sessions. That is I know something about the guts of 802.11 setup... So here I am switching between the hotel's questionably usable ESS and the conference's ESS. Of course both have different SSIDs (SSID defines an ESS, generally) and each has lots of Access Points many on the same channel. So I am in a meeting room on the VeriLAN SSID. I suspend my system and go to my room to the Hyatt SSID. The icon shows the SSID selected and a signal strength but has 'unavailable' after the word 'Wireless'. What is going on here? There is no easy way to restart the connection. I have to go into Network Settings, turn off wireless and turn it on. ARGH! Then I am not getting anything to work on the Hyatt SSID, yet it is showing 3 bars of signal strength. But is there any textual info on S/N or anything worthwhile? Of course not. WiFi is suppose to be used by cellphone users that only know to look at bars on their cellphones, so that must be good enough? When you are working on multiple ESSes as you will in a hotel (many have a different SSID for the lobby from the rooms from the meeting rooms even without the meeting having its own!), you need better. Or at least what I had with f14 and Gnome 2. Oh, this is on a Lenovo x120e where I see the following in the log messages: Jan 16 22:16:42 lx120e kernel: [81433.007709] rtl8192c_common: Loading firmware file rtlwifi/rtl8192cfw.bin I would like some help on getting things to work better... ___ networkmanager-list mailing list networkmanager-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/networkmanager-list
Re: Fedora16 - Brain dead wireless network manager
On 01/17/2012 08:14 AM, Robert Moskowitz wrote: Oh, this is on a Lenovo x120e where I see the following in the log messages: Jan 16 22:16:42 lx120e kernel: [81433.007709] rtl8192c_common: Loading firmware file rtlwifi/rtl8192cfw.bin The driver for that chipset is apparently broken in the current kernel: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=729618 (There are links to various testing kernels with different patches in that bug, but it's hard to tell from the comments if they fix the problem...) -- Dan ___ networkmanager-list mailing list networkmanager-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/networkmanager-list
Re: Fedora16 - Brain dead wireless network manager
On 01/17/2012 08:38 AM, Dan Winship wrote: On 01/17/2012 08:14 AM, Robert Moskowitz wrote: Oh, this is on a Lenovo x120e where I see the following in the log messages: Jan 16 22:16:42 lx120e kernel: [81433.007709] rtl8192c_common: Loading firmware file rtlwifi/rtl8192cfw.bin The driver for that chipset is apparently broken in the current kernel: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=729618 (There are links to various testing kernels with different patches in that bug, but it's hard to tell from the comments if they fix the problem...) Now why does that not supprise me? I did notice one update to the driver a while back. And I have 'real work' (spec writing!) to do to test f17... But it does not address the removal of information from the UI nor the control over SSID selection/control. ___ networkmanager-list mailing list networkmanager-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/networkmanager-list
Re: Fedora16 - Brain dead wireless network manager
On Tue, Jan 17, 2012 at 9:29 AM, Robert Moskowitz r...@htt-consult.com wrote: But it does not address the removal of information from the UI nor the control over SSID selection/control. Agreed. NM-client on F15 and now F16 is a perceptible downgrade over F14. The brave new world of Gnome 3 has reduced networking usability -- I hope it's not here to stay. Here's my short list of surprises; I've found my workarounds, I just hope it's useful feedback. - Can't click an existing, established connection to re-connect on the nm-client-applet list - Can't easily open the networks view/edit dialog from nm-client-applet - Network Settings, activated from nm-client-applet menu, lets me view/edit a wlan config only once it completes a connection successfully -- picking a wlan config tries to activate it. This drove me crazy until I realized that it was not the only settings app... - There are 2 network settings -- network and network connections -- when I use the gnome app chooser. Which one should I use? Answer: network connections, the harder to find one, is the sane one, where you can look at a wlan configuration and edit it without requesting that NM tries to associate to it. OTOH, reconnection to wlans seems to be faster than F15, which had some crazy long timeouts. Still slower than iOS, perhaps almost on par w Android devices. cheers, m -- martin.langh...@gmail.com mar...@laptop.org -- Software Architect - OLPC - ask interesting questions - don't get distracted with shiny stuff - working code first - http://wiki.laptop.org/go/User:Martinlanghoff ___ networkmanager-list mailing list networkmanager-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/networkmanager-list
Re: Fedora16 - Brain dead wireless network manager
On 01/17/2012 08:29 AM, Robert Moskowitz wrote: On 01/17/2012 08:38 AM, Dan Winship wrote: On 01/17/2012 08:14 AM, Robert Moskowitz wrote: Oh, this is on a Lenovo x120e where I see the following in the log messages: Jan 16 22:16:42 lx120e kernel: [81433.007709] rtl8192c_common: Loading firmware file rtlwifi/rtl8192cfw.bin The driver for that chipset is apparently broken in the current kernel: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=729618 (There are links to various testing kernels with different patches in that bug, but it's hard to tell from the comments if they fix the problem...) Now why does that not supprise me? I did notice one update to the driver a while back. And I have 'real work' (spec writing!) to do to test f17... But it does not address the removal of information from the UI nor the control over SSID selection/control. That Fedora bug report has nothing to do with this problem - that bug was mostly due to placing the firmware loading message in the wrong place. Larry ___ networkmanager-list mailing list networkmanager-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/networkmanager-list
Re: Fedora16 - Brain dead wireless network manager
On 01/17/2012 10:45 AM, Martin Langhoff wrote: OTOH, reconnection to wlans seems to be faster than F15, which had some crazy long timeouts. Still slower than iOS, perhaps almost on par w Android devices. cheers, m 802.11ai is looking at how to streamline the whole setup process. You can access the documents for this wg via: https://mentor.ieee.org/802.11/documents?is_group=00ai Still no agreement on way forward, so relief is a while off. Sigh. And yes, I have my proposals here. ___ networkmanager-list mailing list networkmanager-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/networkmanager-list
