Re: Is NetworkManager ready for servers with may interfaces?

2008-05-06 Thread Kenneth Crudup

On Mon, 5 May 2008, Dan Williams wrote:

 To edit the connection files directly, use the values documented here:

 http://live.gnome.org/NetworkManagerConfigurationSpecification

Question: there's an Edit Connections dialog available in nm-applet;
is this the same thing? There seems to be some persistent information
stored (but still, Wired Networks and Wireless Networks are grayed
out despite a week's worth of trying ...)

-Kenny

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Re: Is NetworkManager ready for servers with may interfaces?

2008-05-06 Thread Kenneth Crudup

On Mon, 5 May 2008, Dan Williams wrote:

 http://live.gnome.org/NetworkManagerConfigurationSpecification

I'm still not quite sure how these end up in text files, what the
filenames should be, nor what format. Can someone send me a tar file
of their /etc/NetworkManager/system_config/ directory, please?

-Kenny

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Re: Is NetworkManager ready for servers with may interfaces?

2008-05-06 Thread Dan Williams
On Tue, 2008-05-06 at 05:41 -0700, Kenneth Crudup wrote:
 On Mon, 5 May 2008, Dan Williams wrote:
 
  To edit the connection files directly, use the values documented here:
 
  http://live.gnome.org/NetworkManagerConfigurationSpecification
 
 Question: there's an Edit Connections dialog available in nm-applet;
 is this the same thing? There seems to be some persistent information
 stored (but still, Wired Networks and Wireless Networks are grayed
 out despite a week's worth of trying ...)

Yeah, Edit Connections launches the connection editor, a GUI tool which
lets you create, edit, and delete network stored connections.  These
connections need to be stored somewhere of course, and that can either
be in your user-specific GConf or the system settings.

Dan

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Re: Is NetworkManager ready for servers with may interfaces?

2008-05-06 Thread Tambet Ingo
On Tue, May 6, 2008 at 3:43 PM, Kenneth Crudup [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  I'm still not quite sure how these end up in text files, what the
  filenames should be, nor what format. Can someone send me a tar file
  of their /etc/NetworkManager/system_config/ directory, please?

The file names aren't important, but the the configuration files built
by the keyfile plugin use connection names for file names. Since these
files might contain passwords, they have to be owned by root and have
0600 permissions. Attached are two example files, one for ethernet,
one for wireless with WPA-PSK security.

It should be possible to create/modify/delete keyfile plugin files
using the latest SVN nm-applet: when you open a connection properties
page in connection-editor, there's a new checkbox System setttings.
Checking it will push it to the system settings daemon. The version in
SVN is not doing any authentication so everyone can do it, but I have
patches to add PolicyKit support for it.

Tambet


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Re: Is NetworkManager ready for servers with may interfaces?

2008-05-05 Thread Dan Williams
On Sun, 2008-05-04 at 14:17 -0700, Kenneth Crudup wrote:
 On Sun, 4 May 2008, Dan Williams wrote:
 
  Ubuntu/Debian doesn't have a native plugin yet, but you can use the
  KeyFile plugin if you like.
 
 Thanks. (It's becoming obvious I couldn't have just scraped up an Ubuntu
 NM 0.7 up on my own w/o a lot of help.)
 
 My next stop was to grab some of the rogue .debs out there I've seen
 for NM 0.7.X and disassemble one- take it apart, see the installed files
 and the scripts then duplicate what I can.
 
  You just won't get integration with the distro config tools and
  whatnot, since the KeyFile plugin is a completely new config format.
 
 I hate to keep asking silly questions, but which/what distro config
 tools won't I able to integrate with, and will that be a problem if I
 just use NM to manage my interfaces?

Not sure about Debian, but on Fedora it would be system-config-network +
ifup/ifdown, on SUSE it would be YAST + ifup + ifdown, and on Ubuntu it
would be whatever config tool gets run when you do System -
Administration - Networking or something like that.

If you just use NM to manage your connections, then no, you do not care
about this :)

Dan


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Re: Is NetworkManager ready for servers with may interfaces?

2008-05-05 Thread Kenneth Crudup

  I hate to keep asking silly questions, but which/what distro config
  tools won't I able to integrate with ...?

On Mon, 5 May 2008, Dan Williams wrote:

 ... and on Ubuntu it would be whatever config tool gets run when you
 do System - Administration - Networking or something like that.
 If you just use NM to manage your connections, then no, you do not care
 about this :)

... or, presumably, if I tend to manage connections on my own via text-
file editing?

Thanks,

-Kenny

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Re: Is NetworkManager ready for servers with may interfaces?

2008-05-05 Thread Dan Williams
On Mon, 2008-05-05 at 04:33 -0700, Kenneth Crudup wrote:
   I hate to keep asking silly questions, but which/what distro config
   tools won't I able to integrate with ...?
 
 On Mon, 5 May 2008, Dan Williams wrote:
 
  ... and on Ubuntu it would be whatever config tool gets run when you
  do System - Administration - Networking or something like that.
  If you just use NM to manage your connections, then no, you do not care
  about this :)
 
 ... or, presumably, if I tend to manage connections on my own via text-
 file editing?

Definitey :) To edit the connection files directly, use the values
documented here:

http://live.gnome.org/NetworkManagerConfigurationSpecification

Dan




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Re: Is NetworkManager ready for servers with may interfaces?

2008-05-04 Thread Dan Williams
On Fri, 2008-05-02 at 10:11 -0700, Kenneth Crudup wrote:
 On Fri, 2 May 2008, Dan Williams wrote:
 
  If your distro has a system settings plugin
 
 How does one determine this?
 
 (FWIW, I'm running Ubuntu 8.04.)

Ubuntu/Debian doesn't have a native plugin yet, but you can use the
KeyFile plugin if you like.  You just won't get integration with the
distro config tools and whatnot, since the KeyFile plugin is a
completely new config format.

Dan

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Re: Is NetworkManager ready for servers with may interfaces?

2008-05-04 Thread Dan Williams
On Fri, 2008-05-02 at 16:23 -0700, Kenneth Crudup wrote:
 On Fri, 2 May 2008, Rui Tiago Cação Matos wrote:
 
  If you're wondering how [the system settings plugin] gets launched:
  $ less 
  /usr/share/dbus-1/system-services/org.freedesktop.NetworkManagerSystemSettings.service
  i.e. it's automatically launched by DBus when NM needs it.
 
 Thank you very much for this; I think I might have found one problem.
 That file reads:
 
 
 [D-BUS Service]
 Name=org.freedesktop.NetworkManagerSystemSettings
 Exec=/usr/sbin/nm-system-settings --config /etc/nm-system-settings.conf
 User=root
 
 
 ... but there's no file /etc/nm-system-settings.conf; there's one
 in the D-Bus directory, though:
 
 -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 902 2008-05-02 10:03 
 /etc/dbus-1/system.d/nm-system-settings.conf
 
 Should I just make a symlink?

No, the dbus conf file is for dbus permissions.  There isn't a shipped
config file for the settings service.  Basically, just make one up that
has:

[main]
plugins=keyfile

and point the system settings service to that.  You then get to actually
create the connection files, which by default are
in /etc/NetworkManager/system_config/ and look like normal .ini files.
I should get Tambet to mail you a sample file or something, it's a bit
long to explain there.  But Tambet will also soon land the connection
editing patches so that you could use nm-connection-editor to
add/create/delete system connections instead of writing them in a text
editor.

dan



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Re: Is NetworkManager ready for servers with may interfaces?

2008-05-04 Thread Kenneth Crudup

On Sun, 4 May 2008, Dan Williams wrote:

 Ubuntu/Debian doesn't have a native plugin yet, but you can use the
 KeyFile plugin if you like.

Thanks. (It's becoming obvious I couldn't have just scraped up an Ubuntu
NM 0.7 up on my own w/o a lot of help.)

My next stop was to grab some of the rogue .debs out there I've seen
for NM 0.7.X and disassemble one- take it apart, see the installed files
and the scripts then duplicate what I can.

 You just won't get integration with the distro config tools and
 whatnot, since the KeyFile plugin is a completely new config format.

I hate to keep asking silly questions, but which/what distro config
tools won't I able to integrate with, and will that be a problem if I
just use NM to manage my interfaces?

-Kenny

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Re: Is NetworkManager ready for servers with may interfaces?

2008-05-02 Thread Kenneth Crudup

On Fri, 2 May 2008, Dan Williams wrote:

 If your distro has a system settings plugin

How does one determine this?

(FWIW, I'm running Ubuntu 8.04.)

-Kenny

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Re: Is NetworkManager ready for servers with may interfaces?

2008-05-02 Thread Rui Tiago Cação Matos
On 02/05/2008, Kenneth Crudup [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

  On Fri, 2 May 2008, Dan Williams wrote:

   If your distro has a system settings plugin


 How does one determine this?

$ ps ax | grep nm-system-settings

If you're wondering how it gets launched:

$ less 
/usr/share/dbus-1/system-services/org.freedesktop.NetworkManagerSystemSettings.service

i.e. it's automatically launched by DBus when NM needs it.

Rui
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Re: Is NetworkManager ready for servers with may interfaces?

2008-05-02 Thread Kenneth Crudup

On Fri, 2 May 2008, Rui Tiago Cação Matos wrote:

 If you're wondering how [the system settings plugin] gets launched:
 $ less 
 /usr/share/dbus-1/system-services/org.freedesktop.NetworkManagerSystemSettings.service
 i.e. it's automatically launched by DBus when NM needs it.

Thank you very much for this; I think I might have found one problem.
That file reads:


[D-BUS Service]
Name=org.freedesktop.NetworkManagerSystemSettings
Exec=/usr/sbin/nm-system-settings --config /etc/nm-system-settings.conf
User=root


... but there's no file /etc/nm-system-settings.conf; there's one
in the D-Bus directory, though:

-rw-r--r-- 1 root root 902 2008-05-02 10:03 
/etc/dbus-1/system.d/nm-system-settings.conf

Should I just make a symlink?

-Kenny

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Is NetworkManager ready for servers with may interfaces?

2008-05-01 Thread Pablo Manuel Rizzo
Hi, I would like to know if NM is recomended for servers with many
network interfaces. I have some server and developer PCs width many
network connections, I sometimes need to shutdown some connection and
avoid it to come up again automatically on reboot (which seems to be
the default NM behavior)
Where can I found detailed configuration documentation?

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