Re: Question regarding the features for the next release
On Fri, Aug 21, 2009 at 11:19 AM, Dan Williams wrote: > On Thu, 2009-08-20 at 13:22 -0400, Darren Albers wrote: >> On Wed, Aug 19, 2009 at 1:19 PM, Dan Williams wrote: >> > On Tue, 2009-08-18 at 13:42 -0400, Darren Albers wrote: >> >> On Tue, Aug 18, 2009 at 12:18 PM, Dan Williams wrote: >> >> > On Sun, 2009-08-16 at 11:15 -0400, Darren Albers wrote: >> >> >> On Wed, Aug 12, 2009 at 12:40 PM, Dan Williams wrote: >> >> >> > >> >> >> > Ah right, over Bluetooth :) You're correct. Out of curiousity, any >> >> >> > chance you can pull some ATI and AT+GCAP responses out of the device >> >> >> > over DUN? >> >> >> > >> >> >> > Dan >> >> >> > >> >> >> > >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> Sorry for the late reply, I had issues getting it setup on my box to >> >> >> talk over Bluetooth. >> >> >> >> >> >> Here are the outputs of ATI and AT+GCAP >> >> >> >> >> >> ATI: >> >> >> Research In Motion BlackBerry IP Modem >> >> > >> >> > Ok, so we know it's a blackberry but don't know what technology it >> >> > uses... I wonder how to get that actually. I'm pretty sure they >> >> > probably use the same USB IDs for devices that can do either one or >> >> > both, and there are a few BBs that have "world" capability with both GSM >> >> > and CDMA radios. >> >> > >> >> > Dan >> >> > >> >> >> OK >> >> >> >> >> >> AT+GCAP: >> >> >> >> >> >> +GCAP: >> >> >> >> >> >> OK >> >> >> >> >> >> Thanks! >> >> >> Darren >> >> > >> >> > >> >> >> >> That is probably something someone will just have to know based on >> >> something like broadband assistant? Or will it be possible to create >> >> a connection manually to the device and select if it is CDMA or GSM? >> >> I know that isn't the most user friendly option though... >> > >> > No, it's certainly not. We also don't know how to switch the BBs from >> > CDMA to GSM, or how to find out if they are in CDMA or GSM mode at the >> > time of connection. Can you run: >> > >> > AT+IMSI >> > AT+COPS=? >> > >> > for me and wait like a minute or two for the COPS to complete? Is this >> > a CDMA or a GSM BB? Does this one have worldmode? >> > >> > Dan >> > >> > >> >> Here you go: >> AT+IMSI: >> >> ERROR >> >> AT+COPS=?: >> +COPS: (2,,AT&T,310410),(2,,AT&T,310410),,(0,1),(1,2) >> >> OK >> >> As for Global devices I can get access to one and find out how it >> looks but I won't be able to try it roaming. Doesn't the device get >> all the details via the GSM sim card and then the AT+COPS command will >> say who the provider is and we get the APN from the Broadband >> Assistant database? > > What we're interested in is how it switches between CDMA and GSM. > You'll always have the SIM card in, so perhaps the phone tries to find > Verizon/Sprint first, then switches over to scanning for GSM providers > on its GSM900/GSM1800 bands. What I'm really curious about is how to > find out what mode it's in (CDMA or GSM) at the time, and if there's a > way to detect when it switches. > > Can you run AT+COPS? too? Running AT+COPS=? actually performs the scan > which can take minutes to complete. I guess I just need to find one of > these types of devices and interrogate it myself :) There's a whole > host of commands we can use but often phones implement a small subset of > the specs. > > Dan > > Here you go (This is from a ATT Bold): +COPS: 0,2,310410 OK I am not going to be overseas until next year and with travel being reduced here I may not get a chance to have someone test remotely until then but here are the same commands for a Blackberry Storm. Storm 9530: ATi: Manufacturer: Research In Motion Model: 9530 Revision: OS Ver: 4.0.0.181 [May 13 2009 22:53:31] ESN: 0x80986ECB +GCAP: +CIS707-A, CIS-856, +MS, +ES, +DS, +FCLASS, CIS-856-A AT+COPS=? ERROR AT+IMSI: ERROR AT+COPS?: ERROR The Storm seems to auto-detect the location you are in and Roams to GSM automatically but I can't be sure what the changes are for that since it wouldn't let me force it to Roam here. ___ NetworkManager-list mailing list NetworkManager-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/networkmanager-list
Re: Question regarding the features for the next release
On Thu, 2009-08-20 at 13:22 -0400, Darren Albers wrote: > On Wed, Aug 19, 2009 at 1:19 PM, Dan Williams wrote: > > On Tue, 2009-08-18 at 13:42 -0400, Darren Albers wrote: > >> On Tue, Aug 18, 2009 at 12:18 PM, Dan Williams wrote: > >> > On Sun, 2009-08-16 at 11:15 -0400, Darren Albers wrote: > >> >> On Wed, Aug 12, 2009 at 12:40 PM, Dan Williams wrote: > >> >> > > >> >> > Ah right, over Bluetooth :) You're correct. Out of curiousity, any > >> >> > chance you can pull some ATI and AT+GCAP responses out of the device > >> >> > over DUN? > >> >> > > >> >> > Dan > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > >> >> Sorry for the late reply, I had issues getting it setup on my box to > >> >> talk over Bluetooth. > >> >> > >> >> Here are the outputs of ATI and AT+GCAP > >> >> > >> >> ATI: > >> >> Research In Motion BlackBerry IP Modem > >> > > >> > Ok, so we know it's a blackberry but don't know what technology it > >> > uses... I wonder how to get that actually. I'm pretty sure they > >> > probably use the same USB IDs for devices that can do either one or > >> > both, and there are a few BBs that have "world" capability with both GSM > >> > and CDMA radios. > >> > > >> > Dan > >> > > >> >> OK > >> >> > >> >> AT+GCAP: > >> >> > >> >> +GCAP: > >> >> > >> >> OK > >> >> > >> >> Thanks! > >> >> Darren > >> > > >> > > >> > >> That is probably something someone will just have to know based on > >> something like broadband assistant? Or will it be possible to create > >> a connection manually to the device and select if it is CDMA or GSM? > >> I know that isn't the most user friendly option though... > > > > No, it's certainly not. We also don't know how to switch the BBs from > > CDMA to GSM, or how to find out if they are in CDMA or GSM mode at the > > time of connection. Can you run: > > > > AT+IMSI > > AT+COPS=? > > > > for me and wait like a minute or two for the COPS to complete? Is this > > a CDMA or a GSM BB? Does this one have worldmode? > > > > Dan > > > > > > Here you go: > AT+IMSI: > > ERROR > > AT+COPS=?: > +COPS: (2,,AT&T,310410),(2,,AT&T,310410),,(0,1),(1,2) > > OK > > As for Global devices I can get access to one and find out how it > looks but I won't be able to try it roaming. Doesn't the device get > all the details via the GSM sim card and then the AT+COPS command will > say who the provider is and we get the APN from the Broadband > Assistant database? What we're interested in is how it switches between CDMA and GSM. You'll always have the SIM card in, so perhaps the phone tries to find Verizon/Sprint first, then switches over to scanning for GSM providers on its GSM900/GSM1800 bands. What I'm really curious about is how to find out what mode it's in (CDMA or GSM) at the time, and if there's a way to detect when it switches. Can you run AT+COPS? too? Running AT+COPS=? actually performs the scan which can take minutes to complete. I guess I just need to find one of these types of devices and interrogate it myself :) There's a whole host of commands we can use but often phones implement a small subset of the specs. Dan ___ NetworkManager-list mailing list NetworkManager-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/networkmanager-list
Re: Question regarding the features for the next release
On Wed, Aug 19, 2009 at 1:19 PM, Dan Williams wrote: > On Tue, 2009-08-18 at 13:42 -0400, Darren Albers wrote: >> On Tue, Aug 18, 2009 at 12:18 PM, Dan Williams wrote: >> > On Sun, 2009-08-16 at 11:15 -0400, Darren Albers wrote: >> >> On Wed, Aug 12, 2009 at 12:40 PM, Dan Williams wrote: >> >> > >> >> > Ah right, over Bluetooth :) You're correct. Out of curiousity, any >> >> > chance you can pull some ATI and AT+GCAP responses out of the device >> >> > over DUN? >> >> > >> >> > Dan >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> >> >> Sorry for the late reply, I had issues getting it setup on my box to >> >> talk over Bluetooth. >> >> >> >> Here are the outputs of ATI and AT+GCAP >> >> >> >> ATI: >> >> Research In Motion BlackBerry IP Modem >> > >> > Ok, so we know it's a blackberry but don't know what technology it >> > uses... I wonder how to get that actually. I'm pretty sure they >> > probably use the same USB IDs for devices that can do either one or >> > both, and there are a few BBs that have "world" capability with both GSM >> > and CDMA radios. >> > >> > Dan >> > >> >> OK >> >> >> >> AT+GCAP: >> >> >> >> +GCAP: >> >> >> >> OK >> >> >> >> Thanks! >> >> Darren >> > >> > >> >> That is probably something someone will just have to know based on >> something like broadband assistant? Or will it be possible to create >> a connection manually to the device and select if it is CDMA or GSM? >> I know that isn't the most user friendly option though... > > No, it's certainly not. We also don't know how to switch the BBs from > CDMA to GSM, or how to find out if they are in CDMA or GSM mode at the > time of connection. Can you run: > > AT+IMSI > AT+COPS=? > > for me and wait like a minute or two for the COPS to complete? Is this > a CDMA or a GSM BB? Does this one have worldmode? > > Dan > > Here you go: AT+IMSI: ERROR AT+COPS=?: +COPS: (2,,AT&T,310410),(2,,AT&T,310410),,(0,1),(1,2) OK As for Global devices I can get access to one and find out how it looks but I won't be able to try it roaming. Doesn't the device get all the details via the GSM sim card and then the AT+COPS command will say who the provider is and we get the APN from the Broadband Assistant database? ___ NetworkManager-list mailing list NetworkManager-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/networkmanager-list
Re: Question regarding the features for the next release
On Tue, 2009-08-18 at 13:42 -0400, Darren Albers wrote: > On Tue, Aug 18, 2009 at 12:18 PM, Dan Williams wrote: > > On Sun, 2009-08-16 at 11:15 -0400, Darren Albers wrote: > >> On Wed, Aug 12, 2009 at 12:40 PM, Dan Williams wrote: > >> > > >> > Ah right, over Bluetooth :) You're correct. Out of curiousity, any > >> > chance you can pull some ATI and AT+GCAP responses out of the device > >> > over DUN? > >> > > >> > Dan > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > >> Sorry for the late reply, I had issues getting it setup on my box to > >> talk over Bluetooth. > >> > >> Here are the outputs of ATI and AT+GCAP > >> > >> ATI: > >> Research In Motion BlackBerry IP Modem > > > > Ok, so we know it's a blackberry but don't know what technology it > > uses... I wonder how to get that actually. I'm pretty sure they > > probably use the same USB IDs for devices that can do either one or > > both, and there are a few BBs that have "world" capability with both GSM > > and CDMA radios. > > > > Dan > > > >> OK > >> > >> AT+GCAP: > >> > >> +GCAP: > >> > >> OK > >> > >> Thanks! > >> Darren > > > > > > That is probably something someone will just have to know based on > something like broadband assistant? Or will it be possible to create > a connection manually to the device and select if it is CDMA or GSM? > I know that isn't the most user friendly option though... No, it's certainly not. We also don't know how to switch the BBs from CDMA to GSM, or how to find out if they are in CDMA or GSM mode at the time of connection. Can you run: AT+IMSI AT+COPS=? for me and wait like a minute or two for the COPS to complete? Is this a CDMA or a GSM BB? Does this one have worldmode? Dan ___ NetworkManager-list mailing list NetworkManager-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/networkmanager-list
Re: Question regarding the features for the next release
On Tue, Aug 18, 2009 at 12:18 PM, Dan Williams wrote: > On Sun, 2009-08-16 at 11:15 -0400, Darren Albers wrote: >> On Wed, Aug 12, 2009 at 12:40 PM, Dan Williams wrote: >> > >> > Ah right, over Bluetooth :) You're correct. Out of curiousity, any >> > chance you can pull some ATI and AT+GCAP responses out of the device >> > over DUN? >> > >> > Dan >> > >> > >> > >> >> Sorry for the late reply, I had issues getting it setup on my box to >> talk over Bluetooth. >> >> Here are the outputs of ATI and AT+GCAP >> >> ATI: >> Research In Motion BlackBerry IP Modem > > Ok, so we know it's a blackberry but don't know what technology it > uses... I wonder how to get that actually. I'm pretty sure they > probably use the same USB IDs for devices that can do either one or > both, and there are a few BBs that have "world" capability with both GSM > and CDMA radios. > > Dan > >> OK >> >> AT+GCAP: >> >> +GCAP: >> >> OK >> >> Thanks! >> Darren > > That is probably something someone will just have to know based on something like broadband assistant? Or will it be possible to create a connection manually to the device and select if it is CDMA or GSM? I know that isn't the most user friendly option though... ___ NetworkManager-list mailing list NetworkManager-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/networkmanager-list
Re: Question regarding the features for the next release
On Sun, 2009-08-16 at 11:15 -0400, Darren Albers wrote: > On Wed, Aug 12, 2009 at 12:40 PM, Dan Williams wrote: > > > > Ah right, over Bluetooth :) You're correct. Out of curiousity, any > > chance you can pull some ATI and AT+GCAP responses out of the device > > over DUN? > > > > Dan > > > > > > > > Sorry for the late reply, I had issues getting it setup on my box to > talk over Bluetooth. > > Here are the outputs of ATI and AT+GCAP > > ATI: > Research In Motion BlackBerry IP Modem Ok, so we know it's a blackberry but don't know what technology it uses... I wonder how to get that actually. I'm pretty sure they probably use the same USB IDs for devices that can do either one or both, and there are a few BBs that have "world" capability with both GSM and CDMA radios. Dan > OK > > AT+GCAP: > > +GCAP: > > OK > > Thanks! > Darren ___ NetworkManager-list mailing list NetworkManager-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/networkmanager-list
Re: Question regarding the features for the next release
On Wed, Aug 12, 2009 at 12:40 PM, Dan Williams wrote: > > Ah right, over Bluetooth :) You're correct. Out of curiousity, any > chance you can pull some ATI and AT+GCAP responses out of the device > over DUN? > > Dan > > > Sorry for the late reply, I had issues getting it setup on my box to talk over Bluetooth. Here are the outputs of ATI and AT+GCAP ATI: Research In Motion BlackBerry IP Modem OK AT+GCAP: +GCAP: OK Thanks! Darren ___ NetworkManager-list mailing list NetworkManager-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/networkmanager-list
Re: Question regarding the features for the next release
On Mon, 2009-08-10 at 13:52 -0400, Darren Albers wrote: > On Mon, Aug 10, 2009 at 1:04 PM, Dan Williams wrote: > > On Fri, 2009-08-07 at 19:00 -0400, Darren Albers wrote: > >> Dan, > >> > >> I see that PAN support is coming in 8.0 but your blog post mentioned > >> that Bluetooth DUN would be a bit more difficult. Is that going to > >> make the next release or would it be further down the road? I am > >> primarily interested in being able to use Bluetooth to my Blackberry > >> since that device won't show up as a serial device. > > > > Blackberry is going to be more problematic, since its serial stuff is > > quite a bit more "special". It requires the use of berry to poke the > > USB bits into serial mode, requires special commands to send the > > PIN/unlock code to the device, and doesn't support a lot of the > > traditional AT commands. But thankfully I think ModemManager with 0.8 > > can handle that better and even perhaps transparently to NM. > > > > I don't have a ton of time to work on DUN at this moment, and I'm > > thinking it may not hit 0.8.0 unless we get some help on that front. > > But it's still certainly a priority. > > > > Dan > > > > If you use DUN over Bluetooth on a Blackberry it doesn't require all > that junk thankfully which is why I was hoping to see DUN over > Bluetooth support :) Ah right, over Bluetooth :) You're correct. Out of curiousity, any chance you can pull some ATI and AT+GCAP responses out of the device over DUN? Dan ___ NetworkManager-list mailing list NetworkManager-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/networkmanager-list
Re: Question regarding the features for the next release
On Mon, Aug 10, 2009 at 1:04 PM, Dan Williams wrote: > On Fri, 2009-08-07 at 19:00 -0400, Darren Albers wrote: >> Dan, >> >> I see that PAN support is coming in 8.0 but your blog post mentioned >> that Bluetooth DUN would be a bit more difficult. Is that going to >> make the next release or would it be further down the road? I am >> primarily interested in being able to use Bluetooth to my Blackberry >> since that device won't show up as a serial device. > > Blackberry is going to be more problematic, since its serial stuff is > quite a bit more "special". It requires the use of berry to poke the > USB bits into serial mode, requires special commands to send the > PIN/unlock code to the device, and doesn't support a lot of the > traditional AT commands. But thankfully I think ModemManager with 0.8 > can handle that better and even perhaps transparently to NM. > > I don't have a ton of time to work on DUN at this moment, and I'm > thinking it may not hit 0.8.0 unless we get some help on that front. > But it's still certainly a priority. > > Dan > If you use DUN over Bluetooth on a Blackberry it doesn't require all that junk thankfully which is why I was hoping to see DUN over Bluetooth support :) I don't know why Blackberry's don't support PAN, probably just to annoy me! ___ NetworkManager-list mailing list NetworkManager-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/networkmanager-list
Re: Question regarding the features for the next release
On Fri, 2009-08-07 at 19:00 -0400, Darren Albers wrote: > Dan, > > I see that PAN support is coming in 8.0 but your blog post mentioned > that Bluetooth DUN would be a bit more difficult. Is that going to > make the next release or would it be further down the road? I am > primarily interested in being able to use Bluetooth to my Blackberry > since that device won't show up as a serial device. Blackberry is going to be more problematic, since its serial stuff is quite a bit more "special". It requires the use of berry to poke the USB bits into serial mode, requires special commands to send the PIN/unlock code to the device, and doesn't support a lot of the traditional AT commands. But thankfully I think ModemManager with 0.8 can handle that better and even perhaps transparently to NM. I don't have a ton of time to work on DUN at this moment, and I'm thinking it may not hit 0.8.0 unless we get some help on that front. But it's still certainly a priority. Dan ___ NetworkManager-list mailing list NetworkManager-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/networkmanager-list
Question regarding the features for the next release
Dan, I see that PAN support is coming in 8.0 but your blog post mentioned that Bluetooth DUN would be a bit more difficult. Is that going to make the next release or would it be further down the road? I am primarily interested in being able to use Bluetooth to my Blackberry since that device won't show up as a serial device. Thank you! ___ NetworkManager-list mailing list NetworkManager-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/networkmanager-list
