Re: NetworkManager and Madwifi connection loss

2007-11-28 Thread Tambet Ingo
On Nov 27, 2007 7:47 PM, Darren Albers [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 card I show one bar and get disconnected frequently.   There was a hack
 posted by Robert Love almost two years ago that Translated (If that is
 the right way to describe it) the Madwifi signal reporting into a rough
 approximation of what most cards use.  This helped make the cards more
 usable but still not enough to compare with other cards.

The hack lived in suse packages but users reported the drivers changed
and because of that hack, NM always showed 100% signal strength. So
apparently the driver is fixed now.

Tambet
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Re: NetworkManager and Madwifi connection loss

2007-11-28 Thread Dan Williams
On Wed, 2007-11-28 at 20:08 +1300, Simon Geard wrote:
 On Tue, 2007-11-27 at 12:47 -0500, Darren Albers wrote:
  I have been watching Ath5k development and I hope it will resolve
  these
  issues since the author's won't be tied into working with a closed HAL.
  In the meantime I would try and steer clear of Atheros based cards if
  possible.
 
 Speaking of those drivers, do you know what state they're in with regard
 to joining the mainline kernel? Was reading up on them recently, and
 noticed that while they were in the 2.6.23 -mm kernels, there's no
 mention of them in the 2.6.24 -mm patch list.

ath5k is in linville's wireless-2.6/everything, which is upstream for
wireless drivers.  They certainly won't be in 2.6.24 since they aren't
in good enough shape yet.  They seem on-track to hit 2.6.25 though.
ath5k doesn't yet support late-model N-capable chipsets that have
recently started appearing though, since the hardware there hasn't been
reverse-engineered yet and the register layouts are apparently
different.

Dan


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Re: NetworkManager and Madwifi connection loss

2007-11-28 Thread Grant Williamson
Walter,
when you say you see no such issues are you using the -Dmadwifi or 
-Dwext with wpa_supplicant.

I have my Network Manager patched so it waits 60 seconds before deciding 
the link has timed out, however every 15-30 seconds wpa_supplicant 
scans, this I see using the -Dmadwifi driver. With -Dwext it
is rock solid on my home wpa2 network. However at work -Dmadwifi is 
needed for leap/eap since -Dwext is unreliable for this type of connection.

When you connect can you run watch -n1 wpa_cli status and see if it 
keeps dropping and scanning.
I am kind of curious since I would love a solution/workaround for the 
scanning ...rescanning etc.

Walter Neumann wrote:
 I have no such problem with madwifi-ng-r2594-20070719.

 On Tue, 27 Nov 2007, Darren Albers wrote:


 On Tue, 2007-11-27 at 12:18 -0500, Philip A. Culver wrote:
 Hi,



 I am using NetworkManager 0.6.5 on Fedora 7 with the madwifi 0.9.3.3
 drivers.I am experiencing an issue where NetworkManager thinks
 that the link has time out and shuts down the connection.  It then
 tries to reconnect, which fails.  At this point the device is
 deactivated.  If I restart NetworkManager it usually reconnects
 immediately.


 My questions are as follows:



 * Is this a known issue with madwifi?  If so does anyone know of any
 fixes for this?

 I have had similar issues with Athero's based cards and MadWifi.   This
 was the sole reason I selected a T61 over a Macbook this year.
 I /think/ the reason for the disconnect is that Madwifi reports it's
 signal strength differently than most other cards and therefore reports
 significantly lower strength than other cards.   So in one room of my
 house if I am using an Intel 2200 B/G MiniPCI card I have 3 bars and a
 stable connection, if I am using an IBM branded Atheros A/B/G MiniPCI
 card I show one bar and get disconnected frequently.   There was a hack
 posted by Robert Love almost two years ago that Translated (If that is
 the right way to describe it) the Madwifi signal reporting into a rough
 approximation of what most cards use.  This helped make the cards more
 usable but still not enough to compare with other cards.

 I have been watching Ath5k development and I hope it will resolve these
 issues since the author's won't be tied into working with a closed HAL.
 In the meantime I would try and steer clear of Atheros based cards if
 possible.


 * Why is the device deactivated?  Why wouldnÿÿt the device try to
 reconnect again after some period of time?  Will I have to manually
 tell NetworkManager to reconnect?

 * I also experienced a crash in network manager in the same
 situation.


 I suspect my problems are perhaps related to madwifi but figured I
 would start here based on the crash and the fact that if I restart
 NetworkManager the connection is reestablished.



 I have included logs for both problems.


 Thanks,

 Phil



 Logs for deactivation and loss of link:

 Nov 27 11:22:22 localhost NetworkManager: info  DHCP daemon state is
 now 3 (renew) for interface ath0
 Nov 27 11:22:22 localhost dhclient: bound to 192.168.2.253 -- renewal
 in 142 seconds.

 Nov 27 11:24:44 localhost dhclient: DHCPREQUEST on ath0 to
 192.168.2.55 port 67

 Nov 27 11:24:44 localhost dhclient: DHCPACK from 192.168.2.55

 Nov 27 11:24:44 localhost NetworkManager: info  DHCP daemon state is
 now 3 (renew) for interface ath0
 Nov 27 11:24:44 localhost dhclient: bound to 192.168.2.253 -- renewal
 in 119 seconds.

 Nov 27 11:26:35 localhost NetworkManager: info  nm-netlink-monitor.c
 - nm_netlink_monitor_event_handler (724) netlink reports device ath0
 link now 0
 Nov 27 11:26:35 localhost NetworkManager: info  nm-netlink-monitor.c
 - nm_netlink_monitor_event_handler (724) netlink reports device ath0
 link now 0
 Nov 27 11:26:43 localhost dhclient: DHCPREQUEST on ath0 to
 192.168.2.55 port 67

 Nov 27 11:26:51 localhost last message repeated 2 times

 Nov 27 11:26:55 localhost NetworkManager: info  ath0: link timed
 out.
 Nov 27 11:26:55 localhost NetworkManager: info  nm-device.c -
 nm_device_set_active_link (596) device ath0 link state set to 0
 Nov 27 11:26:55 localhost NetworkManager: info  SWITCH: found better
 connection 'ath0/GEM_RD_TEST' than current connection
 'ath0/GEM_RD_TEST'.  same_ssid=1, have_link=0
 Nov 27 11:26:55 localhost NetworkManager: info  Will activate
 connection 'ath0/GEM_RD_TEST'.
 Nov 27 11:26:55 localhost NetworkManager: info  Device ath0
 activation scheduled...
 Nov 27 11:26:55 localhost NetworkManager: info  Deactivating device
 ath0.
 Nov 27 11:26:55 localhost dhclient: wifi0: unknown hardware address
 type 801

 Nov 27 11:26:55 localhost dhclient: wifi0: unknown hardware address
 type 801

 Nov 27 11:26:55 localhost dhclient: DHCPRELEASE on ath0 to
 192.168.2.55 port 67

 Nov 27 11:26:56 localhost avahi-daemon[1597]: Withdrawing address
 record for 192.168.2.253 on ath0.

 Nov 27 11:26:56 localhost avahi-daemon[1597]: Leaving mDNS multicast
 group on interface ath0.IPv4 with address 

Re: NetworkManager and Madwifi connection loss

2007-11-27 Thread Darren Albers

On Tue, 2007-11-27 at 12:18 -0500, Philip A. Culver wrote:
 Hi,
 
  
 
 I am using NetworkManager 0.6.5 on Fedora 7 with the madwifi 0.9.3.3
 drivers.I am experiencing an issue where NetworkManager thinks
 that the link has time out and shuts down the connection.  It then
 tries to reconnect, which fails.  At this point the device is
 deactivated.  If I restart NetworkManager it usually reconnects
 immediately.   
 
  
 
 My questions are as follows:
 
  
 
 * Is this a known issue with madwifi?  If so does anyone know of any
 fixes for this?

I have had similar issues with Athero's based cards and MadWifi.   This
was the sole reason I selected a T61 over a Macbook this year.
I /think/ the reason for the disconnect is that Madwifi reports it's
signal strength differently than most other cards and therefore reports
significantly lower strength than other cards.   So in one room of my
house if I am using an Intel 2200 B/G MiniPCI card I have 3 bars and a
stable connection, if I am using an IBM branded Atheros A/B/G MiniPCI
card I show one bar and get disconnected frequently.   There was a hack
posted by Robert Love almost two years ago that Translated (If that is
the right way to describe it) the Madwifi signal reporting into a rough
approximation of what most cards use.  This helped make the cards more
usable but still not enough to compare with other cards.

I have been watching Ath5k development and I hope it will resolve these
issues since the author's won't be tied into working with a closed HAL.
In the meantime I would try and steer clear of Atheros based cards if
possible.

 
 * Why is the device deactivated?  Why wouldn’t the device try to
 reconnect again after some period of time?  Will I have to manually
 tell NetworkManager to reconnect?
 
 * I also experienced a crash in network manager in the same
 situation.  
 
  
 
 I suspect my problems are perhaps related to madwifi but figured I
 would start here based on the crash and the fact that if I restart
 NetworkManager the connection is reestablished.
 
  
 
 I have included logs for both problems. 
 
  
 
 Thanks,
 
 Phil
 
  
 
 Logs for deactivation and loss of link:
 
 Nov 27 11:22:22 localhost NetworkManager: info  DHCP daemon state is
 now 3 (renew) for interface ath0 
 
 Nov 27 11:22:22 localhost dhclient: bound to 192.168.2.253 -- renewal
 in 142 seconds.
 
 Nov 27 11:24:44 localhost dhclient: DHCPREQUEST on ath0 to
 192.168.2.55 port 67
 
 Nov 27 11:24:44 localhost dhclient: DHCPACK from 192.168.2.55
 
 Nov 27 11:24:44 localhost NetworkManager: info  DHCP daemon state is
 now 3 (renew) for interface ath0 
 
 Nov 27 11:24:44 localhost dhclient: bound to 192.168.2.253 -- renewal
 in 119 seconds.
 
 Nov 27 11:26:35 localhost NetworkManager: info  nm-netlink-monitor.c
 - nm_netlink_monitor_event_handler (724) netlink reports device ath0
 link now 0 
 
 Nov 27 11:26:35 localhost NetworkManager: info  nm-netlink-monitor.c
 - nm_netlink_monitor_event_handler (724) netlink reports device ath0
 link now 0 
 
 Nov 27 11:26:43 localhost dhclient: DHCPREQUEST on ath0 to
 192.168.2.55 port 67
 
 Nov 27 11:26:51 localhost last message repeated 2 times
 
 Nov 27 11:26:55 localhost NetworkManager: info  ath0: link timed
 out. 
 
 Nov 27 11:26:55 localhost NetworkManager: info  nm-device.c -
 nm_device_set_active_link (596) device ath0 link state set to 0 
 
 Nov 27 11:26:55 localhost NetworkManager: info  SWITCH: found better
 connection 'ath0/GEM_RD_TEST' than current connection
 'ath0/GEM_RD_TEST'.  same_ssid=1, have_link=0 
 
 Nov 27 11:26:55 localhost NetworkManager: info  Will activate
 connection 'ath0/GEM_RD_TEST'. 
 
 Nov 27 11:26:55 localhost NetworkManager: info  Device ath0
 activation scheduled... 
 
 Nov 27 11:26:55 localhost NetworkManager: info  Deactivating device
 ath0. 
 
 Nov 27 11:26:55 localhost dhclient: wifi0: unknown hardware address
 type 801
 
 Nov 27 11:26:55 localhost dhclient: wifi0: unknown hardware address
 type 801
 
 Nov 27 11:26:55 localhost dhclient: DHCPRELEASE on ath0 to
 192.168.2.55 port 67
 
 Nov 27 11:26:56 localhost avahi-daemon[1597]: Withdrawing address
 record for 192.168.2.253 on ath0.
 
 Nov 27 11:26:56 localhost avahi-daemon[1597]: Leaving mDNS multicast
 group on interface ath0.IPv4 with address 192.168.2.253.
 
 Nov 27 11:26:56 localhost avahi-daemon[1597]: Interface ath0.IPv4 no
 longer relevant for mDNS.
 
 Nov 27 11:26:56 localhost avahi-daemon[1597]: Withdrawing address
 record for fe80::240:96ff:feb5:68e on ath0.
 
 Nov 27 11:26:56 localhost avahi-daemon[1597]: Leaving mDNS multicast
 group on interface ath0.IPv6 with address fe80::240:96ff:feb5:68e.
 
 Nov 27 11:26:56 localhost avahi-daemon[1597]: Interface ath0.IPv6 no
 longer relevant for mDNS.
 
 Nov 27 11:26:56 localhost NetworkManager: info  Activation (ath0)
 started... 
 
 Nov 27 11:26:56 localhost NetworkManager: info  Activation (ath0)
 Stage 1 of 5 (Device Prepare) scheduled... 
 
 Nov 27 11:26:56 localhost NetworkManager: info  

Re: NetworkManager and Madwifi connection loss

2007-11-27 Thread Walter Neumann

I have no such problem with madwifi-ng-r2594-20070719.

On Tue, 27 Nov 2007, Darren Albers wrote:




On Tue, 2007-11-27 at 12:18 -0500, Philip A. Culver wrote:

Hi,



I am using NetworkManager 0.6.5 on Fedora 7 with the madwifi 0.9.3.3
drivers.I am experiencing an issue where NetworkManager thinks
that the link has time out and shuts down the connection.  It then
tries to reconnect, which fails.  At this point the device is
deactivated.  If I restart NetworkManager it usually reconnects
immediately. 




My questions are as follows:



* Is this a known issue with madwifi?  If so does anyone know of any
fixes for this?


I have had similar issues with Athero's based cards and MadWifi.   This
was the sole reason I selected a T61 over a Macbook this year.
I /think/ the reason for the disconnect is that Madwifi reports it's
signal strength differently than most other cards and therefore reports
significantly lower strength than other cards.   So in one room of my
house if I am using an Intel 2200 B/G MiniPCI card I have 3 bars and a
stable connection, if I am using an IBM branded Atheros A/B/G MiniPCI
card I show one bar and get disconnected frequently.   There was a hack
posted by Robert Love almost two years ago that Translated (If that is
the right way to describe it) the Madwifi signal reporting into a rough
approximation of what most cards use.  This helped make the cards more
usable but still not enough to compare with other cards.

I have been watching Ath5k development and I hope it will resolve these
issues since the author's won't be tied into working with a closed HAL.
In the meantime I would try and steer clear of Atheros based cards if
possible.



* Why is the device deactivated?  Why wouldnÿÿt the device try to
reconnect again after some period of time?  Will I have to manually
tell NetworkManager to reconnect?

* I also experienced a crash in network manager in the same
situation. 




I suspect my problems are perhaps related to madwifi but figured I
would start here based on the crash and the fact that if I restart
NetworkManager the connection is reestablished.



I have included logs for both problems. 




Thanks,

Phil



Logs for deactivation and loss of link:

Nov 27 11:22:22 localhost NetworkManager: info  DHCP daemon state is
now 3 (renew) for interface ath0 


Nov 27 11:22:22 localhost dhclient: bound to 192.168.2.253 -- renewal
in 142 seconds.

Nov 27 11:24:44 localhost dhclient: DHCPREQUEST on ath0 to
192.168.2.55 port 67

Nov 27 11:24:44 localhost dhclient: DHCPACK from 192.168.2.55

Nov 27 11:24:44 localhost NetworkManager: info  DHCP daemon state is
now 3 (renew) for interface ath0 


Nov 27 11:24:44 localhost dhclient: bound to 192.168.2.253 -- renewal
in 119 seconds.

Nov 27 11:26:35 localhost NetworkManager: info  nm-netlink-monitor.c
- nm_netlink_monitor_event_handler (724) netlink reports device ath0
link now 0 


Nov 27 11:26:35 localhost NetworkManager: info  nm-netlink-monitor.c
- nm_netlink_monitor_event_handler (724) netlink reports device ath0
link now 0 


Nov 27 11:26:43 localhost dhclient: DHCPREQUEST on ath0 to
192.168.2.55 port 67

Nov 27 11:26:51 localhost last message repeated 2 times

Nov 27 11:26:55 localhost NetworkManager: info  ath0: link timed
out. 


Nov 27 11:26:55 localhost NetworkManager: info  nm-device.c -
nm_device_set_active_link (596) device ath0 link state set to 0 


Nov 27 11:26:55 localhost NetworkManager: info  SWITCH: found better
connection 'ath0/GEM_RD_TEST' than current connection
'ath0/GEM_RD_TEST'.  same_ssid=1, have_link=0 


Nov 27 11:26:55 localhost NetworkManager: info  Will activate
connection 'ath0/GEM_RD_TEST'. 


Nov 27 11:26:55 localhost NetworkManager: info  Device ath0
activation scheduled... 


Nov 27 11:26:55 localhost NetworkManager: info  Deactivating device
ath0. 


Nov 27 11:26:55 localhost dhclient: wifi0: unknown hardware address
type 801

Nov 27 11:26:55 localhost dhclient: wifi0: unknown hardware address
type 801

Nov 27 11:26:55 localhost dhclient: DHCPRELEASE on ath0 to
192.168.2.55 port 67

Nov 27 11:26:56 localhost avahi-daemon[1597]: Withdrawing address
record for 192.168.2.253 on ath0.

Nov 27 11:26:56 localhost avahi-daemon[1597]: Leaving mDNS multicast
group on interface ath0.IPv4 with address 192.168.2.253.

Nov 27 11:26:56 localhost avahi-daemon[1597]: Interface ath0.IPv4 no
longer relevant for mDNS.

Nov 27 11:26:56 localhost avahi-daemon[1597]: Withdrawing address
record for fe80::240:96ff:feb5:68e on ath0.

Nov 27 11:26:56 localhost avahi-daemon[1597]: Leaving mDNS multicast
group on interface ath0.IPv6 with address fe80::240:96ff:feb5:68e.

Nov 27 11:26:56 localhost avahi-daemon[1597]: Interface ath0.IPv6 no
longer relevant for mDNS.

Nov 27 11:26:56 localhost NetworkManager: info  Activation (ath0)
started... 


Nov 27 11:26:56 localhost NetworkManager: info  Activation (ath0)
Stage 1 of 5 (Device Prepare) scheduled... 


Nov 27 11:26:56 localhost NetworkManager: info  Activation (ath0)

RE: NetworkManager and Madwifi connection loss

2007-11-27 Thread Philip A. Culver
I will give the 0.9.4 madwifi drivers a whirl.

Thanks,
Phil

-Original Message-
From: Walter Neumann [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Tuesday, November 27, 2007 3:14 PM
To: Darren Albers
Cc: Philip A. Culver; networkmanager-list@gnome.org
Subject: Re: NetworkManager and Madwifi connection loss

I have no such problem with madwifi-ng-r2594-20070719.

On Tue, 27 Nov 2007, Darren Albers wrote:

 
On Tue, 2007-11-27 at 12:18 -0500, Philip A. Culver wrote:
 Hi,

 
 
 I am using NetworkManager 0.6.5 on Fedora 7 with the madwifi 0.9.3.3
 drivers.I am experiencing an issue where NetworkManager thinks
 that the link has time out and shuts down the connection.  It then
 tries to reconnect, which fails.  At this point the device is
 deactivated.  If I restart NetworkManager it usually reconnects
 immediately. 

 
 
 My questions are as follows:

 
 
 * Is this a known issue with madwifi?  If so does anyone know of any
 fixes for this?

I have had similar issues with Athero's based cards and MadWifi.   This
was the sole reason I selected a T61 over a Macbook this year.
I /think/ the reason for the disconnect is that Madwifi reports it's
signal strength differently than most other cards and therefore reports
significantly lower strength than other cards.   So in one room of my
house if I am using an Intel 2200 B/G MiniPCI card I have 3 bars and a
stable connection, if I am using an IBM branded Atheros A/B/G MiniPCI
card I show one bar and get disconnected frequently.   There was a hack
posted by Robert Love almost two years ago that Translated (If that is
the right way to describe it) the Madwifi signal reporting into a rough
approximation of what most cards use.  This helped make the cards more
usable but still not enough to compare with other cards.

I have been watching Ath5k development and I hope it will resolve these
issues since the author's won't be tied into working with a closed HAL.
In the meantime I would try and steer clear of Atheros based cards if
possible.

 
 * Why is the device deactivated?  Why wouldnÿÿt the device try to
 reconnect again after some period of time?  Will I have to manually
 tell NetworkManager to reconnect?
 
 * I also experienced a crash in network manager in the same
 situation. 

 
 
 I suspect my problems are perhaps related to madwifi but figured I
 would start here based on the crash and the fact that if I restart
 NetworkManager the connection is reestablished.

 
 
 I have included logs for both problems. 

 
 
 Thanks,
 
 Phil

 
 
 Logs for deactivation and loss of link:
 
 Nov 27 11:22:22 localhost NetworkManager: info  DHCP daemon state is
 now 3 (renew) for interface ath0 
 
 Nov 27 11:22:22 localhost dhclient: bound to 192.168.2.253 -- renewal
 in 142 seconds.
 
 Nov 27 11:24:44 localhost dhclient: DHCPREQUEST on ath0 to
 192.168.2.55 port 67
 
 Nov 27 11:24:44 localhost dhclient: DHCPACK from 192.168.2.55
 
 Nov 27 11:24:44 localhost NetworkManager: info  DHCP daemon state is
 now 3 (renew) for interface ath0 
 
 Nov 27 11:24:44 localhost dhclient: bound to 192.168.2.253 -- renewal
 in 119 seconds.
 
 Nov 27 11:26:35 localhost NetworkManager: info  nm-netlink-monitor.c
 - nm_netlink_monitor_event_handler (724) netlink reports device ath0
 link now 0 
 
 Nov 27 11:26:35 localhost NetworkManager: info  nm-netlink-monitor.c
 - nm_netlink_monitor_event_handler (724) netlink reports device ath0
 link now 0 
 
 Nov 27 11:26:43 localhost dhclient: DHCPREQUEST on ath0 to
 192.168.2.55 port 67
 
 Nov 27 11:26:51 localhost last message repeated 2 times
 
 Nov 27 11:26:55 localhost NetworkManager: info  ath0: link timed
 out. 
 
 Nov 27 11:26:55 localhost NetworkManager: info  nm-device.c -
 nm_device_set_active_link (596) device ath0 link state set to 0 
 
 Nov 27 11:26:55 localhost NetworkManager: info  SWITCH: found better
 connection 'ath0/GEM_RD_TEST' than current connection
 'ath0/GEM_RD_TEST'.  same_ssid=1, have_link=0 
 
 Nov 27 11:26:55 localhost NetworkManager: info  Will activate
 connection 'ath0/GEM_RD_TEST'. 
 
 Nov 27 11:26:55 localhost NetworkManager: info  Device ath0
 activation scheduled... 
 
 Nov 27 11:26:55 localhost NetworkManager: info  Deactivating device
 ath0. 
 
 Nov 27 11:26:55 localhost dhclient: wifi0: unknown hardware address
 type 801
 
 Nov 27 11:26:55 localhost dhclient: wifi0: unknown hardware address
 type 801
 
 Nov 27 11:26:55 localhost dhclient: DHCPRELEASE on ath0 to
 192.168.2.55 port 67
 
 Nov 27 11:26:56 localhost avahi-daemon[1597]: Withdrawing address
 record for 192.168.2.253 on ath0.
 
 Nov 27 11:26:56 localhost avahi-daemon[1597]: Leaving mDNS multicast
 group on interface ath0.IPv4 with address 192.168.2.253.
 
 Nov 27 11:26:56 localhost avahi-daemon[1597]: Interface ath0.IPv4 no
 longer relevant for mDNS.
 
 Nov 27 11:26:56 localhost avahi-daemon[1597]: Withdrawing address
 record for fe80::240:96ff:feb5:68e on ath0.
 
 Nov 27 11:26:56 localhost avahi-daemon[1597]: Leaving mDNS multicast
 group on interface ath0

Re: NetworkManager and Madwifi connection loss

2007-11-27 Thread Simon Geard
On Tue, 2007-11-27 at 12:47 -0500, Darren Albers wrote:
 I have been watching Ath5k development and I hope it will resolve
 these
 issues since the author's won't be tied into working with a closed HAL.
 In the meantime I would try and steer clear of Atheros based cards if
 possible.

Speaking of those drivers, do you know what state they're in with regard
to joining the mainline kernel? Was reading up on them recently, and
noticed that while they were in the 2.6.23 -mm kernels, there's no
mention of them in the 2.6.24 -mm patch list.

Simon.


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