Re: New icons for nm-applet
On Tue, 2008-10-28 at 16:07 +, Karl Lattimer wrote: So match the size of the nm-vpn-connecting-* set to the same overall size as the applet icon area, but just offset the vpn lock itself so it's positioned in the lower-right corner. The progress twirlie can probably stay where it is. Existing connection with VPN active: http://bigw.org/~dan/Screenshot.png Now I get what you mean... Let me ponder this, I'll get back to you as soon as I can see a good solution. Great, hope it's soon :) I'd think just moving the padlock down and to the right in the existing images would be just fine. Probably, but I'd rather do some sketches of some other ideas, I mean it's only one image which is used as an overlay, so that one could be fixed easily, but I'm thinking now in terms of the progress meter for vpn. Maybe if we are moving the padlock down, then I could use icons which are similar to the standard connecting animation but instead of a dot a keyhole or something instead. I'm mulling it, there's some space for flexibility. Hopefully i can knock up some updated icons today, and while i'm at it classify them into sizes for 16,22 and 24 Any luck on new bits for the VPN icon? Dan ___ NetworkManager-list mailing list NetworkManager-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/networkmanager-list
Re: New icons for nm-applet
On Mon, 2008-10-27 at 22:24 +, Karl Lattimer wrote: On Mon, 2008-10-27 at 12:59 -0400, Dan Williams wrote: On Mon, 2008-10-27 at 17:14 +, Karl Lattimer wrote: Hi there, I've always loathed the icons shipped with fedora for network manager, they just don't seem to fit with our current gnome look. Over the weekend I sat and drew up some new icons, they're inspired a bit by jimmac's new icons for suse as seen here http://jimmac.musichall.cz/i.php?i=NetworkManager I've only done these icons in 24x24 but could do 22x22 and 16x16 if asked *really* nicely :) Yep, I've seen these, there's a bug open for them on gnome.org, but there's on objection I have: the progress icon re-uses the signal strength bars as the progress meter, which is confusing. If the progress icons were re-done using the spinning balls or some other indicator, then I'd do another eval and they might just get committed... jimmac declined to spend time on that. Dan Did you by any chance take a look at the icons I drew? You can grab the icons from here; http://www.wine-doors.org/releases/nm-applet-icons.tar.gz Sorry about that, lots 'o mail. I suck. Yours look better, thanks :) One question though: the vpn connecting icons are intended to be composited on top of the existing connection icon, and the ones you drew are centered, thus they would obscure whatever connection icon was underneath. Is that intended? Any chance you could see what they look like with the padlock in the lower-right corner instead? The progress circle might need to be darker (or have a color and a bit more saturation) so that it stands out against the blue of the WiFi signal bars, not sure exactly how you might want to do that. Thanks! Dan ___ NetworkManager-list mailing list NetworkManager-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/networkmanager-list
Re: New icons for nm-applet
Sorry about that, lots 'o mail. I suck. Yours look better, thanks :) One question though: the vpn connecting icons are intended to be composited on top of the existing connection icon, and the ones you drew are centered, thus they would obscure whatever connection icon was underneath. Is that intended? Ok, one question, I don't have a VPN to connect to so I just drew up icons to replace the existing ones, I didn't realise that a composite would be made... Could you send me an SVG of the layers in the existing composite so I can have a poke at it? Any chance you could see what they look like with the padlock in the lower-right corner instead? If I can see the composite :) The progress circle might need to be darker (or have a color and a bit more saturation) so that it stands out against the blue of the WiFi signal bars, not sure exactly how you might want to do that. The progress circle is supposed to be contrasting with both light and dark themes so it is visible but not opaque, I could probably change it so it remains contrasting but is a bit more opaque. I've been using these icons for a few days now, and the thing that I really like about them (even if I am blowing my own trumpet a little) is that instead of two separate LED-a-like lights, we have one dot which goes from translucent to yellow to green :) This also solves the problem you mentioned earlier regarding the progress bar. BR, K ___ NetworkManager-list mailing list NetworkManager-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/networkmanager-list
Re: New icons for nm-applet
On Tue, 2008-10-28 at 15:27 +, Karl Lattimer wrote: Sorry about that, lots 'o mail. I suck. Yours look better, thanks :) One question though: the vpn connecting icons are intended to be composited on top of the existing connection icon, and the ones you drew are centered, thus they would obscure whatever connection icon was underneath. Is that intended? Ok, one question, I don't have a VPN to connect to so I just drew up icons to replace the existing ones, I didn't realise that a composite would be made... Could you send me an SVG of the layers in the existing composite so I can have a poke at it? Hmm, how would I do that? Basically, the VPN lock is always composited into the lower-righthand corner of the large icon. Everything else gets centered. The existing VPN progress icons are built (with the lock positioned in the lower-right corner) so that they can just be smashed on top of the current icon and it'll all be positioned correctly. So match the size of the nm-vpn-connecting-* set to the same overall size as the applet icon area, but just offset the vpn lock itself so it's positioned in the lower-right corner. The progress twirlie can probably stay where it is. Existing connection with VPN active: http://bigw.org/~dan/Screenshot.png Thanks! Dan Any chance you could see what they look like with the padlock in the lower-right corner instead? If I can see the composite :) The progress circle might need to be darker (or have a color and a bit more saturation) so that it stands out against the blue of the WiFi signal bars, not sure exactly how you might want to do that. The progress circle is supposed to be contrasting with both light and dark themes so it is visible but not opaque, I could probably change it so it remains contrasting but is a bit more opaque. I've been using these icons for a few days now, and the thing that I really like about them (even if I am blowing my own trumpet a little) is that instead of two separate LED-a-like lights, we have one dot which goes from translucent to yellow to green :) This also solves the problem you mentioned earlier regarding the progress bar. BR, K ___ NetworkManager-list mailing list NetworkManager-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/networkmanager-list
Re: New icons for nm-applet
On Tue, 2008-10-28 at 11:48 -0400, Dan Williams wrote: On Tue, 2008-10-28 at 15:27 +, Karl Lattimer wrote: Sorry about that, lots 'o mail. I suck. Yours look better, thanks :) One question though: the vpn connecting icons are intended to be composited on top of the existing connection icon, and the ones you drew are centered, thus they would obscure whatever connection icon was underneath. Is that intended? Ok, one question, I don't have a VPN to connect to so I just drew up icons to replace the existing ones, I didn't realise that a composite would be made... Could you send me an SVG of the layers in the existing composite so I can have a poke at it? Hmm, how would I do that? Basically, the VPN lock is always composited into the lower-righthand corner of the large icon. Everything else gets centered. The existing VPN progress icons are built (with the lock positioned in the lower-right corner) so that they can just be smashed on top of the current icon and it'll all be positioned correctly. So match the size of the nm-vpn-connecting-* set to the same overall size as the applet icon area, but just offset the vpn lock itself so it's positioned in the lower-right corner. The progress twirlie can probably stay where it is. Existing connection with VPN active: http://bigw.org/~dan/Screenshot.png Now I get what you mean... Let me ponder this, I'll get back to you as soon as I can see a good solution. BR, K ___ NetworkManager-list mailing list NetworkManager-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/networkmanager-list
Re: New icons for nm-applet
On Tue, 2008-10-28 at 15:52 +, Karl Lattimer wrote: On Tue, 2008-10-28 at 11:48 -0400, Dan Williams wrote: On Tue, 2008-10-28 at 15:27 +, Karl Lattimer wrote: Sorry about that, lots 'o mail. I suck. Yours look better, thanks :) One question though: the vpn connecting icons are intended to be composited on top of the existing connection icon, and the ones you drew are centered, thus they would obscure whatever connection icon was underneath. Is that intended? Ok, one question, I don't have a VPN to connect to so I just drew up icons to replace the existing ones, I didn't realise that a composite would be made... Could you send me an SVG of the layers in the existing composite so I can have a poke at it? Hmm, how would I do that? Basically, the VPN lock is always composited into the lower-righthand corner of the large icon. Everything else gets centered. The existing VPN progress icons are built (with the lock positioned in the lower-right corner) so that they can just be smashed on top of the current icon and it'll all be positioned correctly. So match the size of the nm-vpn-connecting-* set to the same overall size as the applet icon area, but just offset the vpn lock itself so it's positioned in the lower-right corner. The progress twirlie can probably stay where it is. Existing connection with VPN active: http://bigw.org/~dan/Screenshot.png Now I get what you mean... Let me ponder this, I'll get back to you as soon as I can see a good solution. Great, hope it's soon :) I'd think just moving the padlock down and to the right in the existing images would be just fine. Thanks! Dan ___ NetworkManager-list mailing list NetworkManager-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/networkmanager-list
Re: New icons for nm-applet
On Tue, 2008-10-28 at 16:07 +, Karl Lattimer wrote: So match the size of the nm-vpn-connecting-* set to the same overall size as the applet icon area, but just offset the vpn lock itself so it's positioned in the lower-right corner. The progress twirlie can probably stay where it is. Existing connection with VPN active: http://bigw.org/~dan/Screenshot.png Now I get what you mean... Let me ponder this, I'll get back to you as soon as I can see a good solution. Great, hope it's soon :) I'd think just moving the padlock down and to the right in the existing images would be just fine. Probably, but I'd rather do some sketches of some other ideas, I mean it's only one image which is used as an overlay, so that one could be fixed easily, but I'm thinking now in terms of the progress meter for vpn. Maybe if we are moving the padlock down, then I could use icons which are similar to the standard connecting animation but instead of a dot a keyhole or something instead. I'm mulling it, there's some space for flexibility. Hopefully i can knock up some updated icons today, and while i'm at it classify them into sizes for 16,22 and 24 Actually as the padlock is composited we could probably benefit from compositing the icons for gsm/gprs, edge, umts, hsdpa and anything else that comes along, maybe the recently submitted patch should be updated to work in these terms? BR, K ___ NetworkManager-list mailing list NetworkManager-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/networkmanager-list
Re: New icons for nm-applet
On Tue, 2008-10-28 at 16:11 +, Karl Lattimer wrote: On Tue, 2008-10-28 at 16:07 +, Karl Lattimer wrote: So match the size of the nm-vpn-connecting-* set to the same overall size as the applet icon area, but just offset the vpn lock itself so it's positioned in the lower-right corner. The progress twirlie can probably stay where it is. Existing connection with VPN active: http://bigw.org/~dan/Screenshot.png Now I get what you mean... Let me ponder this, I'll get back to you as soon as I can see a good solution. Great, hope it's soon :) I'd think just moving the padlock down and to the right in the existing images would be just fine. Probably, but I'd rather do some sketches of some other ideas, I mean it's only one image which is used as an overlay, so that one could be fixed easily, but I'm thinking now in terms of the progress meter for vpn. Maybe if we are moving the padlock down, then I could use icons which are similar to the standard connecting animation but instead of a dot a keyhole or something instead. I'm mulling it, there's some space for flexibility. Hopefully i can knock up some updated icons today, and while i'm at it classify them into sizes for 16,22 and 24 Actually as the padlock is composited we could probably benefit from compositing the icons for gsm/gprs, edge, umts, hsdpa and anything else that comes along, maybe the recently submitted patch should be updated to work in these terms? Yes, that's what I replied to it with. The code has layers, and there are currently two layers: device and VPN. We can certainly add a mobile broadband layer in which the mobile broadband badge goes. Just need to figure out where in the icon area that should go so it doesn't conflict with the VPN lock. Because you certainly can have an active VPN over cellular. Dan ___ NetworkManager-list mailing list NetworkManager-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/networkmanager-list
Re: New icons for nm-applet
On Tue, 2008-10-28 at 12:50 -0400, Dan Williams wrote: On Tue, 2008-10-28 at 16:11 +, Karl Lattimer wrote: On Tue, 2008-10-28 at 16:07 +, Karl Lattimer wrote: So match the size of the nm-vpn-connecting-* set to the same overall size as the applet icon area, but just offset the vpn lock itself so it's positioned in the lower-right corner. The progress twirlie can probably stay where it is. Existing connection with VPN active: http://bigw.org/~dan/Screenshot.png Now I get what you mean... Let me ponder this, I'll get back to you as soon as I can see a good solution. Great, hope it's soon :) I'd think just moving the padlock down and to the right in the existing images would be just fine. Probably, but I'd rather do some sketches of some other ideas, I mean it's only one image which is used as an overlay, so that one could be fixed easily, but I'm thinking now in terms of the progress meter for vpn. Maybe if we are moving the padlock down, then I could use icons which are similar to the standard connecting animation but instead of a dot a keyhole or something instead. I'm mulling it, there's some space for flexibility. Hopefully i can knock up some updated icons today, and while i'm at it classify them into sizes for 16,22 and 24 Actually as the padlock is composited we could probably benefit from compositing the icons for gsm/gprs, edge, umts, hsdpa and anything else that comes along, maybe the recently submitted patch should be updated to work in these terms? Yes, that's what I replied to it with. The code has layers, and there are currently two layers: device and VPN. We can certainly add a mobile broadband layer in which the mobile broadband badge goes. Just need to figure out where in the icon area that should go so it doesn't conflict with the VPN lock. Because you certainly can have an active VPN over cellular. Urgh, now we're starting to have problems... Colours are obviously going to be better as long as there is detailed explanation somewhere of what they mean. Mockups attached for discussion. vpn-umts.svg - My first impression of this is that it's starting to get crowded, and I can make the padlock smaller but loose detail which I feel is critical. vpn-umts2.svg - Slightly less crowded and more appealing I feel, only 3px tall to denote the technology, so we'll have to use vibrant colours which aren't in the tango palette :/ BR, K attachment: vpn-umts.svgattachment: vpn-umts2.svg___ NetworkManager-list mailing list NetworkManager-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/networkmanager-list
Re: New icons for nm-applet
On Tue, 2008-10-28 at 17:11 +, Karl Lattimer wrote: On Tue, 2008-10-28 at 12:50 -0400, Dan Williams wrote: On Tue, 2008-10-28 at 16:11 +, Karl Lattimer wrote: On Tue, 2008-10-28 at 16:07 +, Karl Lattimer wrote: So match the size of the nm-vpn-connecting-* set to the same overall size as the applet icon area, but just offset the vpn lock itself so it's positioned in the lower-right corner. The progress twirlie can probably stay where it is. Existing connection with VPN active: http://bigw.org/~dan/Screenshot.png Now I get what you mean... Let me ponder this, I'll get back to you as soon as I can see a good solution. Great, hope it's soon :) I'd think just moving the padlock down and to the right in the existing images would be just fine. Probably, but I'd rather do some sketches of some other ideas, I mean it's only one image which is used as an overlay, so that one could be fixed easily, but I'm thinking now in terms of the progress meter for vpn. Maybe if we are moving the padlock down, then I could use icons which are similar to the standard connecting animation but instead of a dot a keyhole or something instead. I'm mulling it, there's some space for flexibility. Hopefully i can knock up some updated icons today, and while i'm at it classify them into sizes for 16,22 and 24 Actually as the padlock is composited we could probably benefit from compositing the icons for gsm/gprs, edge, umts, hsdpa and anything else that comes along, maybe the recently submitted patch should be updated to work in these terms? Yes, that's what I replied to it with. The code has layers, and there are currently two layers: device and VPN. We can certainly add a mobile broadband layer in which the mobile broadband badge goes. Just need to figure out where in the icon area that should go so it doesn't conflict with the VPN lock. Because you certainly can have an active VPN over cellular. Urgh, now we're starting to have problems... Colours are obviously going to be better as long as there is detailed explanation somewhere of what they mean. Mockups attached for discussion. vpn-umts.svg - My first impression of this is that it's starting to get crowded, and I can make the padlock smaller but loose detail which I feel is critical. vpn-umts2.svg - Slightly less crowded and more appealing I feel, only 3px tall to denote the technology, so we'll have to use vibrant colours which aren't in the tango palette :/ Thinking in these terms now, and maybe the signal strength bars can be altered too... K, ___ NetworkManager-list mailing list NetworkManager-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/networkmanager-list
Re: New icons for nm-applet
On Tue, 2008-10-28 at 17:22 +, Karl Lattimer wrote: On Tue, 2008-10-28 at 17:11 +, Karl Lattimer wrote: On Tue, 2008-10-28 at 12:50 -0400, Dan Williams wrote: On Tue, 2008-10-28 at 16:11 +, Karl Lattimer wrote: On Tue, 2008-10-28 at 16:07 +, Karl Lattimer wrote: So match the size of the nm-vpn-connecting-* set to the same overall size as the applet icon area, but just offset the vpn lock itself so it's positioned in the lower-right corner. The progress twirlie can probably stay where it is. Existing connection with VPN active: http://bigw.org/~dan/Screenshot.png Now I get what you mean... Let me ponder this, I'll get back to you as soon as I can see a good solution. Great, hope it's soon :) I'd think just moving the padlock down and to the right in the existing images would be just fine. Probably, but I'd rather do some sketches of some other ideas, I mean it's only one image which is used as an overlay, so that one could be fixed easily, but I'm thinking now in terms of the progress meter for vpn. Maybe if we are moving the padlock down, then I could use icons which are similar to the standard connecting animation but instead of a dot a keyhole or something instead. I'm mulling it, there's some space for flexibility. Hopefully i can knock up some updated icons today, and while i'm at it classify them into sizes for 16,22 and 24 Actually as the padlock is composited we could probably benefit from compositing the icons for gsm/gprs, edge, umts, hsdpa and anything else that comes along, maybe the recently submitted patch should be updated to work in these terms? Yes, that's what I replied to it with. The code has layers, and there are currently two layers: device and VPN. We can certainly add a mobile broadband layer in which the mobile broadband badge goes. Just need to figure out where in the icon area that should go so it doesn't conflict with the VPN lock. Because you certainly can have an active VPN over cellular. Urgh, now we're starting to have problems... Colours are obviously going to be better as long as there is detailed explanation somewhere of what they mean. Mockups attached for discussion. vpn-umts.svg - My first impression of this is that it's starting to get crowded, and I can make the padlock smaller but loose detail which I feel is critical. vpn-umts2.svg - Slightly less crowded and more appealing I feel, only 3px tall to denote the technology, so we'll have to use vibrant colours which aren't in the tango palette :/ Thinking in these terms now, and maybe the signal strength bars can be altered too... this is just my own opinion, but i kinda like the icon style that looks a bit more like radio waves [1] better as they are symmetrical and look more like something is transmitted over the air than the current bars that stand next to each other, aligned at the bottom. i'd like to see such icons in NM and would like to know your opinion on this. greets, Björn [1] http://www.o2.co.uk/assets/O2HybridNav/Static-files/Kana/wifi_50x50.gif K, ___ NetworkManager-list mailing list NetworkManager-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/networkmanager-list signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part ___ NetworkManager-list mailing list NetworkManager-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/networkmanager-list
Re: New icons for nm-applet
On Tue, 2008-10-28 at 18:47 +0100, Björn Martensen wrote: On Tue, 2008-10-28 at 17:22 +, Karl Lattimer wrote: On Tue, 2008-10-28 at 17:11 +, Karl Lattimer wrote: On Tue, 2008-10-28 at 12:50 -0400, Dan Williams wrote: On Tue, 2008-10-28 at 16:11 +, Karl Lattimer wrote: On Tue, 2008-10-28 at 16:07 +, Karl Lattimer wrote: So match the size of the nm-vpn-connecting-* set to the same overall size as the applet icon area, but just offset the vpn lock itself so it's positioned in the lower-right corner. The progress twirlie can probably stay where it is. Existing connection with VPN active: http://bigw.org/~dan/Screenshot.png Now I get what you mean... Let me ponder this, I'll get back to you as soon as I can see a good solution. Great, hope it's soon :) I'd think just moving the padlock down and to the right in the existing images would be just fine. Probably, but I'd rather do some sketches of some other ideas, I mean it's only one image which is used as an overlay, so that one could be fixed easily, but I'm thinking now in terms of the progress meter for vpn. Maybe if we are moving the padlock down, then I could use icons which are similar to the standard connecting animation but instead of a dot a keyhole or something instead. I'm mulling it, there's some space for flexibility. Hopefully i can knock up some updated icons today, and while i'm at it classify them into sizes for 16,22 and 24 Actually as the padlock is composited we could probably benefit from compositing the icons for gsm/gprs, edge, umts, hsdpa and anything else that comes along, maybe the recently submitted patch should be updated to work in these terms? Yes, that's what I replied to it with. The code has layers, and there are currently two layers: device and VPN. We can certainly add a mobile broadband layer in which the mobile broadband badge goes. Just need to figure out where in the icon area that should go so it doesn't conflict with the VPN lock. Because you certainly can have an active VPN over cellular. Urgh, now we're starting to have problems... Colours are obviously going to be better as long as there is detailed explanation somewhere of what they mean. Mockups attached for discussion. vpn-umts.svg - My first impression of this is that it's starting to get crowded, and I can make the padlock smaller but loose detail which I feel is critical. vpn-umts2.svg - Slightly less crowded and more appealing I feel, only 3px tall to denote the technology, so we'll have to use vibrant colours which aren't in the tango palette :/ Thinking in these terms now, and maybe the signal strength bars can be altered too... this is just my own opinion, but i kinda like the icon style that looks a bit more like radio waves [1] better as they are symmetrical and look more like something is transmitted over the air than the current bars that stand next to each other, aligned at the bottom. i'd like to see such icons in NM and would like to know your opinion on this. This is a good design, but I wonder about the apple-esque appearance... It wouldn't be difficult for me to make up some new icons with that design, and the padlock placement could end up being a little better, we could also look at having the bars different colours to specify different network types wifi, gprs etc... Of course this wouldn't be ideal in code, but we could work around that i believe. BR, K ___ NetworkManager-list mailing list NetworkManager-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/networkmanager-list
Re: New icons for nm-applet
On Mon, 2008-10-27 at 17:14 +, Karl Lattimer wrote: Hi there, I've always loathed the icons shipped with fedora for network manager, they just don't seem to fit with our current gnome look. Over the weekend I sat and drew up some new icons, they're inspired a bit by jimmac's new icons for suse as seen here http://jimmac.musichall.cz/i.php?i=NetworkManager I've only done these icons in 24x24 but could do 22x22 and 16x16 if asked *really* nicely :) Yep, I've seen these, there's a bug open for them on gnome.org, but there's on objection I have: the progress icon re-uses the signal strength bars as the progress meter, which is confusing. If the progress icons were re-done using the spinning balls or some other indicator, then I'd do another eval and they might just get committed... jimmac declined to spend time on that. Dan In order to use these icons however I had to hack network manager a little, changing the number of frames to 8 and the frame delay to around 200/150 for best results. I hope you consider updating the icon theme for network manager, and possibly including these ones. I've also noticed that network manager has a tendency to pick to wrong icon sizes, if you have 96x96 as the only icons in an icon theme for instance network manager will choose those rather than the 22x22 or 24x24 icons. This leads to blurry icons. Hope this helps, and hope you like the icons :) You can grab the icons from here; http://www.wine-doors.org/releases/nm-applet-icons.tar.gz BR, K P.S. Moderator, what's 40Kb between friends? :) ___ NetworkManager-list mailing list NetworkManager-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/networkmanager-list ___ NetworkManager-list mailing list NetworkManager-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/networkmanager-list
