Re: Using a mobile phone via Bluetooth
On Mon, 2009-07-06 at 23:52 -0400, Ryan Novosielski wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Dan Williams wrote: On Mon, 2009-07-06 at 12:54 -0400, Ryan Novosielski wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Brian Morrison wrote: Saw this on the Planet Fedora RSS feed today: http://fetzig.org/2009/07/04/tethering-in-fedora-using-your-mobile-phone-with-networkmanager-to-surf-the-web/ Does this look the sort of thing where a more sane approach could be added to NM or udev to cope with a wider range of phones without needing to create user rules? I notice this solution mentions GSM. Is there any reason this should not work for a CDMA phone? As long as the phone responds to AT+GCAP with IS-707 the probe will tag the phone as a CDMA device and you should be able to use it with a CDMA connection like any normal data card or USB-attached CDMA phone. NM shouldn't be confused by the mis-tagged HAL entry in the linked dialup-bluetooth.py because it prefers the probed capabilities over static ones in HAL. So I actually got this working where an rfcomm1 shows up in the NM Plasma Applet (I assume that I'm probably supposed to stop setting up rfcomm0 manually with /etc/bluetooth/rfcomm.conf). However, nothing I do seems to make it want to actually connect. At first the rfcomm1 shows up and claims to be looking for an IP address. Then it fails. It's not clear that it ever attempts to dialup via PPP, even though I have a connection configured. Is there some way to troubleshoot this? Sounds like more on the Bluetooth side, of course. Does your phone do anything when NM tries to bring the connection up? Mine usually asks me whether I want to allow the computer to connect, or it'll show an icon saying a computer is connected. In any case, this is exactly why this method is a hack, and why we want the real solution... Dan ___ NetworkManager-list mailing list NetworkManager-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/networkmanager-list
Re: Using a mobile phone via Bluetooth
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Dan Williams wrote: On Mon, 2009-07-06 at 23:52 -0400, Ryan Novosielski wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Dan Williams wrote: On Mon, 2009-07-06 at 12:54 -0400, Ryan Novosielski wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Brian Morrison wrote: Saw this on the Planet Fedora RSS feed today: http://fetzig.org/2009/07/04/tethering-in-fedora-using-your-mobile-phone-with-networkmanager-to-surf-the-web/ Does this look the sort of thing where a more sane approach could be added to NM or udev to cope with a wider range of phones without needing to create user rules? I notice this solution mentions GSM. Is there any reason this should not work for a CDMA phone? As long as the phone responds to AT+GCAP with IS-707 the probe will tag the phone as a CDMA device and you should be able to use it with a CDMA connection like any normal data card or USB-attached CDMA phone. NM shouldn't be confused by the mis-tagged HAL entry in the linked dialup-bluetooth.py because it prefers the probed capabilities over static ones in HAL. So I actually got this working where an rfcomm1 shows up in the NM Plasma Applet (I assume that I'm probably supposed to stop setting up rfcomm0 manually with /etc/bluetooth/rfcomm.conf). However, nothing I do seems to make it want to actually connect. At first the rfcomm1 shows up and claims to be looking for an IP address. Then it fails. It's not clear that it ever attempts to dialup via PPP, even though I have a connection configured. Is there some way to troubleshoot this? Sounds like more on the Bluetooth side, of course. Does your phone do anything when NM tries to bring the connection up? Mine usually asks me whether I want to allow the computer to connect, or it'll show an icon saying a computer is connected. In any case, this is exactly why this method is a hack, and why we want the real solution... My phone is already paired because I use it all the time from kppp, but would love to do it this way instead. I believe there is some activity on the phone but will have to take a look at it again. I'm assuming there's some way to run NM in a mode where I can see exactly what it thinks it's doing? If something fails, it would be good to see what so I can tweak if possible. - -- _ _ _ _ ___ _ _ _ |Y#| | | |\/| | \ |\ | | |Ryan Novosielski - Systems Programmer II |$| |__| | | |__/ | \| _| |novos...@umdnj.edu - 973/972.0922 (2-0922) \__/ Univ. of Med. and Dent.|IST/CST - NJMS Medical Science Bldg - C630 -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iEYEARECAAYFAkpTcaEACgkQmb+gadEcsb6XjACbBHvQm8tCzE9Tn5lewIGpjiY3 v78Anj05wTaRnJalDWhMzhCi1OisOwll =DNX0 -END PGP SIGNATURE- begin:vcard fn:Ryan Novosielski n:Novosielski;Ryan org:UMDNJ;IST/AST adr;dom:MSB C630;;185 South Orange Avenue;Newark;NJ;07103 email;internet:novos...@umdnj.edu title:Systems Programmer II tel;work:(973) 972-0922 tel;fax:(973) 972-7412 tel;pager:(866) 20-UMDNJ x-mozilla-html:FALSE version:2.1 end:vcard ___ NetworkManager-list mailing list NetworkManager-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/networkmanager-list
Re: Using a mobile phone via Bluetooth
On Tue, Jul 7, 2009 at 3:18 AM, Dan Williamsd...@redhat.com wrote: On Mon, 2009-07-06 at 12:54 -0400, Ryan Novosielski wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Brian Morrison wrote: Saw this on the Planet Fedora RSS feed today: http://fetzig.org/2009/07/04/tethering-in-fedora-using-your-mobile-phone-with-networkmanager-to-surf-the-web/ Does this look the sort of thing where a more sane approach could be added to NM or udev to cope with a wider range of phones without needing to create user rules? I notice this solution mentions GSM. Is there any reason this should not work for a CDMA phone? As long as the phone responds to AT+GCAP with IS-707 the probe will tag the phone as a CDMA device and you should be able to use it with a CDMA connection like any normal data card or USB-attached CDMA phone. NM shouldn't be confused by the mis-tagged HAL entry in the linked dialup-bluetooth.py because it prefers the probed capabilities over static ones in HAL. I have an emobile (Japanese provider) CDMA device that responds with +GCAP: +CGSM,+DS,+ES but not IS-707 and so only gets resolved as GSM by NM, but in reality it's a CDMA-only device and works fine when just dialed with pppd. What should I do in this situation? Also an earlier model from the same provider that was also CDMA failed to respond at all to the AT+GCAP (and subsequent) commands from nm-modem-probe. Is the device not following the spec or is NM too strict? signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature ___ NetworkManager-list mailing list NetworkManager-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/networkmanager-list
Re: Using a mobile phone via Bluetooth
On Wed, 2009-07-08 at 01:13 +0900, david.daniel.sm...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Jul 7, 2009 at 3:18 AM, Dan Williamsd...@redhat.com wrote: On Mon, 2009-07-06 at 12:54 -0400, Ryan Novosielski wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Brian Morrison wrote: Saw this on the Planet Fedora RSS feed today: http://fetzig.org/2009/07/04/tethering-in-fedora-using-your-mobile-phone-with-networkmanager-to-surf-the-web/ Does this look the sort of thing where a more sane approach could be added to NM or udev to cope with a wider range of phones without needing to create user rules? I notice this solution mentions GSM. Is there any reason this should not work for a CDMA phone? As long as the phone responds to AT+GCAP with IS-707 the probe will tag the phone as a CDMA device and you should be able to use it with a CDMA connection like any normal data card or USB-attached CDMA phone. NM shouldn't be confused by the mis-tagged HAL entry in the linked dialup-bluetooth.py because it prefers the probed capabilities over static ones in HAL. I have an emobile (Japanese provider) CDMA device that responds with +GCAP: +CGSM,+DS,+ES but not IS-707 and so only gets resolved as GSM by NM, but in reality it's a CDMA-only device and works fine when just dialed with pppd. What should I do in this situation? Also an earlier model from the same provider that was also CDMA failed to respond at all to the AT+GCAP (and subsequent) commands from nm-modem-probe. Is the device not following the spec or is NM too strict? Emobile appears to be a GSM carrier, they appear to provide HSPA-based 3G services. You may be confusing CDMA with W-CDMA. W-CDMA (Wideband CDMA) is the GSM-based 3G standard but shares a technological basis with the CDMA2000 standards that we actually think of as CDMA. What does your ppp dialup script contain? That would help narrow the issue down. Dan ___ NetworkManager-list mailing list NetworkManager-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/networkmanager-list
Re: Using a mobile phone via Bluetooth
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Re: Using a mobile phone via Bluetooth
On Wed, 2009-07-08 at 01:31 +0900, David Smith wrote: On Wed, Jul 8, 2009 at 1:19 AM, Dan Williamsd...@redhat.com wrote: On Wed, 2009-07-08 at 01:13 +0900, david.daniel.sm...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Jul 7, 2009 at 3:18 AM, Dan Williamsd...@redhat.com wrote: On Mon, 2009-07-06 at 12:54 -0400, Ryan Novosielski wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Brian Morrison wrote: Saw this on the Planet Fedora RSS feed today: http://fetzig.org/2009/07/04/tethering-in-fedora-using-your-mobile-phone-with-networkmanager-to-surf-the-web/ Does this look the sort of thing where a more sane approach could be added to NM or udev to cope with a wider range of phones without needing to create user rules? I notice this solution mentions GSM. Is there any reason this should not work for a CDMA phone? As long as the phone responds to AT+GCAP with IS-707 the probe will tag the phone as a CDMA device and you should be able to use it with a CDMA connection like any normal data card or USB-attached CDMA phone. NM shouldn't be confused by the mis-tagged HAL entry in the linked dialup-bluetooth.py because it prefers the probed capabilities over static ones in HAL. I have an emobile (Japanese provider) CDMA device that responds with +GCAP: +CGSM,+DS,+ES but not IS-707 and so only gets resolved as GSM by NM, but in reality it's a CDMA-only device and works fine when just dialed with pppd. What should I do in this situation? Also an earlier model from the same provider that was also CDMA failed to respond at all to the AT+GCAP (and subsequent) commands from nm-modem-probe. Is the device not following the spec or is NM too strict? Emobile appears to be a GSM carrier, they appear to provide HSPA-based 3G services. You may be confusing CDMA with W-CDMA. W-CDMA (Wideband CDMA) is the GSM-based 3G standard but shares a technological basis with the CDMA2000 standards that we actually think of as CDMA. Indeed, sorry for the confusion. What does your ppp dialup script contain? That would help narrow the issue down. I've attached the pppd config file and the chatscript. It all seems like very default settings (just dial the right number and use em/em for l/p). I suppose it's the format of the number it's dialing that's interesting? Yup. That tells the phone what stored APN to use, in this case APN #1. Whatever that is; you can use AT+CGDCONT=? to get them I think. Dan Dan ___ NetworkManager-list mailing list NetworkManager-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/networkmanager-list
Re: Using a mobile phone via Bluetooth
Dan Williams wrote: Sounds like more on the Bluetooth side, of course. Does your phone do anything when NM tries to bring the connection up? Mine usually asks me whether I want to allow the computer to connect, or it'll show an icon saying a computer is connected. Bluetooth will insist on being paired and authorised as well or it will ask for permission to allow the connection and use it. In any case, this is exactly why this method is a hack, and why we want the real solution... I don't see there is any way to bypass these parts of the Bluetooth protocol stack, but perhaps you know differently. -- Brian ___ NetworkManager-list mailing list NetworkManager-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/networkmanager-list
Re: Using a mobile phone via Bluetooth
On Tue, 2009-07-07 at 17:43 +0100, Brian Morrison wrote: Dan Williams wrote: Sounds like more on the Bluetooth side, of course. Does your phone do anything when NM tries to bring the connection up? Mine usually asks me whether I want to allow the computer to connect, or it'll show an icon saying a computer is connected. Bluetooth will insist on being paired and authorised as well or it will ask for permission to allow the connection and use it. Right, you can't always just open the persistent rfcomm port and expect it to work, due to these sorts of issues. In any case, this is exactly why this method is a hack, and why we want the real solution... I don't see there is any way to bypass these parts of the Bluetooth protocol stack, but perhaps you know differently. Well, the problem is that there's no intelligence built into that hack method of doing Bluetooth. In the bits we've added to 0.8 for Bluetooth, we ask Bluez to set up the rfcomm port, and we can get reliable errors when we can't talk to the phone or when something else goes wrong. With the persistent stuff, the errors just get completely lost, because to NetworkManager, the hacked rfcomm thing just looks like a directly connected serial port and thus all errors on the bluetooth side just end up looking like a generic failure to talk to the modem. Dan ___ NetworkManager-list mailing list NetworkManager-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/networkmanager-list
Re: Using a mobile phone via Bluetooth
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Brian Morrison wrote: Saw this on the Planet Fedora RSS feed today: http://fetzig.org/2009/07/04/tethering-in-fedora-using-your-mobile-phone-with-networkmanager-to-surf-the-web/ Does this look the sort of thing where a more sane approach could be added to NM or udev to cope with a wider range of phones without needing to create user rules? I notice this solution mentions GSM. Is there any reason this should not work for a CDMA phone? - -- _ _ _ _ ___ _ _ _ |Y#| | | |\/| | \ |\ | | |Ryan Novosielski - Systems Programmer II |$| |__| | | |__/ | \| _| |novos...@umdnj.edu - 973/972.0922 (2-0922) \__/ Univ. of Med. and Dent.|IST/CST - NJMS Medical Science Bldg - C630 -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iEYEARECAAYFAkpSLDMACgkQmb+gadEcsb72KgCeKW0iv4XjuPSezHHPRpNle0YQ qTwAoIaeE/fo4pbEIhzPAtkYtTi/qGJC =rkxV -END PGP SIGNATURE- begin:vcard fn:Ryan Novosielski n:Novosielski;Ryan org:UMDNJ;IST/AST adr;dom:MSB C630;;185 South Orange Avenue;Newark;NJ;07103 email;internet:novos...@umdnj.edu title:Systems Programmer II tel;work:(973) 972-0922 tel;fax:(973) 972-7412 tel;pager:(866) 20-UMDNJ x-mozilla-html:FALSE version:2.1 end:vcard ___ NetworkManager-list mailing list NetworkManager-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/networkmanager-list
Re: Using a mobile phone via Bluetooth
On Sat, 2009-07-04 at 23:55 +0100, Brian Morrison wrote: Saw this on the Planet Fedora RSS feed today: http://fetzig.org/2009/07/04/tethering-in-fedora-using-your-mobile-phone-with-networkmanager-to-surf-the-web/ Does this look the sort of thing where a more sane approach could be added to NM or udev to cope with a wider range of phones without needing to create user rules? The sane approach is to actually handle bluetooth devices natively in NM; while the rfcomm thing works, it's certainly not preferred for a variety of reasons I can explain if you like. First off is that rfcomm ports aren't usually dynamic, thus when probed and your phone isn't in range the probe will fail. Second is that they don't show up in the NM API or the menu properly because NM of course doesn't know much about them because they don't have a proper backing physical device that NM knows about. Second, NM can't respond to Bluez events or do anything intelligent about errors, because NM sees it as just an rfcomm port. However, there's already bluetooth PAN support in 0.8/master, and DUN should be coming soon now that all the ModemManager stuff is fixed up for udev. http://blogs.gnome.org/dcbw/2009/05/22/a%e2%80%a2b%e2%80%a2c-delicious/ Dan ___ NetworkManager-list mailing list NetworkManager-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/networkmanager-list
Re: Using a mobile phone via Bluetooth
On Mon, 2009-07-06 at 12:54 -0400, Ryan Novosielski wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Brian Morrison wrote: Saw this on the Planet Fedora RSS feed today: http://fetzig.org/2009/07/04/tethering-in-fedora-using-your-mobile-phone-with-networkmanager-to-surf-the-web/ Does this look the sort of thing where a more sane approach could be added to NM or udev to cope with a wider range of phones without needing to create user rules? I notice this solution mentions GSM. Is there any reason this should not work for a CDMA phone? As long as the phone responds to AT+GCAP with IS-707 the probe will tag the phone as a CDMA device and you should be able to use it with a CDMA connection like any normal data card or USB-attached CDMA phone. NM shouldn't be confused by the mis-tagged HAL entry in the linked dialup-bluetooth.py because it prefers the probed capabilities over static ones in HAL. Dan ___ NetworkManager-list mailing list NetworkManager-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/networkmanager-list
Re: Using a mobile phone via Bluetooth
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Dan Williams wrote: On Mon, 2009-07-06 at 12:54 -0400, Ryan Novosielski wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Brian Morrison wrote: Saw this on the Planet Fedora RSS feed today: http://fetzig.org/2009/07/04/tethering-in-fedora-using-your-mobile-phone-with-networkmanager-to-surf-the-web/ Does this look the sort of thing where a more sane approach could be added to NM or udev to cope with a wider range of phones without needing to create user rules? I notice this solution mentions GSM. Is there any reason this should not work for a CDMA phone? As long as the phone responds to AT+GCAP with IS-707 the probe will tag the phone as a CDMA device and you should be able to use it with a CDMA connection like any normal data card or USB-attached CDMA phone. NM shouldn't be confused by the mis-tagged HAL entry in the linked dialup-bluetooth.py because it prefers the probed capabilities over static ones in HAL. So I actually got this working where an rfcomm1 shows up in the NM Plasma Applet (I assume that I'm probably supposed to stop setting up rfcomm0 manually with /etc/bluetooth/rfcomm.conf). However, nothing I do seems to make it want to actually connect. At first the rfcomm1 shows up and claims to be looking for an IP address. Then it fails. It's not clear that it ever attempts to dialup via PPP, even though I have a connection configured. Is there some way to troubleshoot this? - -- _ _ _ _ ___ _ _ _ |Y#| | | |\/| | \ |\ | | |Ryan Novosielski - Systems Programmer II |$| |__| | | |__/ | \| _| |novos...@umdnj.edu - 973/972.0922 (2-0922) \__/ Univ. of Med. and Dent.|IST/CST - NJMS Medical Science Bldg - C630 -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iEYEARECAAYFAkpSxpMACgkQmb+gadEcsb4rhwCdH/FnSG5Nwl+ddhD2taECkSWm 4QMAn0ZDmzNjzPNHiSr0JIcVyJKjT0i7 =iIxk -END PGP SIGNATURE- begin:vcard fn:Ryan Novosielski n:Novosielski;Ryan org:UMDNJ;IST/AST adr;dom:MSB C630;;185 South Orange Avenue;Newark;NJ;07103 email;internet:novos...@umdnj.edu title:Systems Programmer II tel;work:(973) 972-0922 tel;fax:(973) 972-7412 tel;pager:(866) 20-UMDNJ x-mozilla-html:FALSE version:2.1 end:vcard ___ NetworkManager-list mailing list NetworkManager-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/networkmanager-list
