Re: stupid question - duplicated list ? (ALMOST solved)
On Thu, 2008-10-23 at 12:47 -0400, Andrew wrote: On Wed, 2008-10-22 at 12:14 -0400, Andrew wrote: On Tue, 2008-10-21 at 19:43 -0400, Andrew wrote: this may have been addressed before, but my googling has been fruitless. Why does the dropdown list from nm-applet have all the available networks duplicated? (first the list, then its copy?) What NM RPM version? If you have multiple access points with the same SSID, but with different bands, security options, or modes, you'll get duplicate entries because they are separate APs. So for example, if you have 'foobar' in the b/g band and foobar in the a-band, you'll see both APs. In the future we should actually show what's different about them in the menu. In my case it is unequivocal duplication of EVERYTHING, always. Two identical lists. And I don't think i've ever been in the midst of multiple distinct AP's whose names coincide. But EVERY single time i've used NM, on many distinct hardware systems ((although with the same exact OS, thus far: Fedora 9 -- i've installed lots of F9's lately), I got/get the duplication. I almost started thinking it was the intended norm. Most of the systems have the out-of-the-box F9 NM version ; i have yum-updated a few. One I am looking at at the moment has 0.7.0-14.svn3675, with the *-glib and *gnome packages the same version, exceping the *-openvpn, which is *svn3632 These aren't the latest updates, you probably want the newest bits and the newest kernel at least. But they won't help your problem. On a different system, as you know, I've built NM and nm-applet from source (with your latest alterations). Same exact manifestation with this home-built, hacked version. I see Two identical lists, one below the other. Each has the grayed header Wireless Networks (Belkin AR2413 802.11bg NIC) Whatever the cause -- again, it seems to have been pervasive across the many Fedora 9 installations i've performed over the last few months, on a variety of systems. I have NEVER seen the drop-down list WITHOUT duplication - except, perhaps, briefly, for a few seconds after the very first use (but I can't vouch for that last bit) So this is the problem, NM thinks you have two wireless cards in your machine. That's most definitely a HAL/kernel issue. What kernel version do you have installed? Can you mail me the output of 'lshal' and 'iwconfig' from the command line? the following link has the uname, lshal and iwconfig outputs for two dell laptop. The latitude is the one with the NW hack. snip URL On the inspiron, you've got: wlan3: /org/freedesktop/Hal/devices/net_00_1d_d9_5f_d9_04 wlan3: /org/freedesktop/Hal/devices/net_00_1d_d9_5f_d9_04_2 Which means HAL sees two wireless adapters. Same thing on the latitude. So this is actually a HAL bug. If HAL stops thinking there are two wifi cards, then NM will stop thinking there are two. Prompted by the above I upgraded the (Fedora 9 stock) hal package to versions 0.5.11-2.fc9 (yum update) and 0.5.11rc2 (had to compile the latter for the 64bit fedora, since no 64bit package avail.), and, lo and behold, the pesky duplication is gone! Whew!! As has been said many times, many ways -- you da man! :-) You should probably file a bug against the 'hal' package so that the maintainer can figure out why HAL thinks there are two wifi cards. Does 'ifconfig -a' show two? no, does and has always shown one of each unique device ___ NetworkManager-list mailing list NetworkManager-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/networkmanager-list ___ NetworkManager-list mailing list NetworkManager-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/networkmanager-list
Re: stupid question - duplicated list ? (ALMOST solved! - correction)
Sorry, folks, previous message got sent out accidentally (webmail form submits on [Enter] key... bad design!) wlan3: /org/freedesktop/Hal/devices/net_00_1d_d9_5f_d9_04 wlan3: /org/freedesktop/Hal/devices/net_00_1d_d9_5f_d9_04_2 Which means HAL sees two wireless adapters. Same thing on the latitude. So this is actually a HAL bug. If HAL stops thinking there are two wifi cards, then NM will stop thinking there are two. Prompted by the above I upgraded the (Fedora 9 stock) hal package to versions 0.5.11-2.fc9 (yum update) and 0.5.11rc2 (had to compile the latter for the 64bit fedora, since no 64bit package avail.), and, lo and behold, the pesky duplication is gone! Whew!! I have to qualify my jubilation above: I was wrong to assume that upgrading hal fixed the duplication problem. It turns out that RESTARTING haldaemon makes the duplication go away, temporarily, until the next reboot. (In both of the upgrades i mentioned, i, naturally, restarted haldaemon after upgrading hal, but after a reboot the duplication came back) As has been said many times, many ways -- you da man! :-) (Although, Dan, you still identified the source of the problem correctly, of course) Well, I've never seen it on F9 machines It _could_ be related to udev rules for renaming network devices as well. Could you try removing /etc/udev/rules.d/70-persistent-net.rules and then reboot and see if the devices go away? What version of the udev package do you have installed? I think the latest is udev-124-2.fc9. i still have not exhausted my new debugging tasklist or new googling keywords, since your reply, but it's taking a while, so here are some preliminary findings: moving /etc/udev/rules.d/70-persistent... did not help. If anything, it may have made my X session hang (i'm still investigating, can't get back into gnome, possibly other causes) On both systems the udev is udev-120-5.20080421git.fc9* thanks andrew ___ NetworkManager-list mailing list NetworkManager-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/networkmanager-list
Re: stupid question - duplicated list ? (ALMOST solved!)
Sorry, folks, previous message got sent out accidentally (webmail form submits on [Enter] key... bad design!) wlan3: /org/freedesktop/Hal/devices/net_00_1d_d9_5f_d9_04 wlan3: /org/freedesktop/Hal/devices/net_00_1d_d9_5f_d9_04_2 Which means HAL sees two wireless adapters. Same thing on the latitude. So this is actually a HAL bug. If HAL stops thinking there are two wifi cards, then NM will stop thinking there are two. Prompted by the above I upgraded the (Fedora 9 stock) hal package to versions 0.5.11-2.fc9 (yum update) and 0.5.11rc2 (had to compile the latter for the 64bit fedora, since no 64bit package avail.), and, lo and behold, the pesky duplication is gone! Whew!! I have to qualify my jubilation above: I was wrong to assume that upgrading hal fixed the duplication problem. It turns out that RESTARTING haldaemon makes the duplication go away, temporarily, until the next reboot. (In both of the upgrades i mentioned, i, naturally, restarted haldaemon after upgrading hal, but after a reboot the duplication came back) As has been said many times, many ways -- you da man! :-) (Although, Dan, you still identified the source of the problem correctly, of course) Well, I've never seen it on F9 machines It _could_ be related to udev rules for renaming network devices as well. Could you try removing /etc/udev/rules.d/70-persistent-net.rules and then reboot and see if the devices go away? What version of the udev package do you have installed? I think the latest is udev-124-2.fc9. i still have not exhausted my new debugging tasklist or new googling keywords, since your reply, but it's taking a while, so here are some preliminary findings: moving /etc/udev/rules.d/70-persistent... did not help. If anything, it may have made my X session hang (i'm still investigating, can't get back into gnome, possibly other causes) On both systems the udev is udev-120-5.20080421git.fc9* OK, i yum-updated the 32-bit system to udev-124-2.fc9 and rebooted. Problem still there. There doesn't seem to be a 64-bit package yet; do you recommend i compile udev? (Not sure how involved or risky that is. Building Hal involved various ./configure --enable-* options and yum-installing their corresponding *-devel packages; a small hassle, but feasible) - My googling is not yielding much. I am completely stupefied by being alone in this. The 32-bit *and* the 64-bit Fedora 9 DVD iso images i downloaded, plus the install DVD I snail-mail-ordered all seem to contain the bug; I used all of them to install on many systems and never saw the nm-applet list without duplication, ever. And yet, Dan reports never having seen the phenomenon on Fedora 9 systems. Nor can i find something similar online. Completely and utterly stumped. TIA andrew ___ NetworkManager-list mailing list NetworkManager-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/networkmanager-list
Re: stupid question - duplicated list ? (solved!)
On Thu, 2008-10-23 at 12:47 -0400, Andrew wrote: On Wed, 2008-10-22 at 12:14 -0400, Andrew wrote: On Tue, 2008-10-21 at 19:43 -0400, Andrew wrote: this may have been addressed before, but my googling has been fruitless. Why does the dropdown list from nm-applet have all the available networks duplicated? (first the list, then its copy?) What NM RPM version? If you have multiple access points with the same SSID, but with different bands, security options, or modes, you'll get duplicate entries because they are separate APs. So for example, if you have 'foobar' in the b/g band and foobar in the a-band, you'll see both APs. In the future we should actually show what's different about them in the menu. In my case it is unequivocal duplication of EVERYTHING, always. Two identical lists. And I don't think i've ever been in the midst of multiple distinct AP's whose names coincide. But EVERY single time i've used NM, on many distinct hardware systems ((although with the same exact OS, thus far: Fedora 9 -- i've installed lots of F9's lately), I got/get the duplication. I almost started thinking it was the intended norm. Most of the systems have the out-of-the-box F9 NM version ; i have yum-updated a few. One I am looking at at the moment has 0.7.0-14.svn3675, with the *-glib and *gnome packages the same version, exceping the *-openvpn, which is *svn3632 These aren't the latest updates, you probably want the newest bits and the newest kernel at least. But they won't help your problem. On a different system, as you know, I've built NM and nm-applet from source (with your latest alterations). Same exact manifestation with this home-built, hacked version. I see Two identical lists, one below the other. Each has the grayed header Wireless Networks (Belkin AR2413 802.11bg NIC) Whatever the cause -- again, it seems to have been pervasive across the many Fedora 9 installations i've performed over the last few months, on a variety of systems. I have NEVER seen the drop-down list WITHOUT duplication - except, perhaps, briefly, for a few seconds after the very first use (but I can't vouch for that last bit) So this is the problem, NM thinks you have two wireless cards in your machine. That's most definitely a HAL/kernel issue. What kernel version do you have installed? Can you mail me the output of 'lshal' and 'iwconfig' from the command line? the following link has the uname, lshal and iwconfig outputs for two dell laptop. The latitude is the one with the NW hack. snip URL On the inspiron, you've got: wlan3: /org/freedesktop/Hal/devices/net_00_1d_d9_5f_d9_04 wlan3: /org/freedesktop/Hal/devices/net_00_1d_d9_5f_d9_04_2 Which means HAL sees two wireless adapters. Same thing on the latitude. So this is actually a HAL bug. If HAL stops thinking there are two wifi cards, then NM will stop thinking there are two. Prompted by the above I upgraded the (Fedora 9 stock) hal package to versions 0.5.11-2.fc9 (yum update) and 0.5.11rc2 (had to compile the latter for the 64bit fedora, since no 64bit package avail.), and, lo and behold, the pesky duplication is gone! Whew!! As has been said many times, many ways -- you da man! :-) You should probably file a bug against the 'hal' package so that the maintainer can figure out why HAL thinks there are two wifi cards. Does 'ifconfig -a' show two? no, does and has always shown one of each unique device ___ NetworkManager-list mailing list NetworkManager-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/networkmanager-list
Re: stupid question - duplicated list ?
On Tue, 2008-10-21 at 19:43 -0400, Andrew wrote: this may have been addressed before, but my googling has been fruitless. Why does the dropdown list from nm-applet have all the available networks duplicated? (first the list, then its copy?) What NM RPM version? If you have multiple access points with the same SSID, but with different bands, security options, or modes, you'll get duplicate entries because they are separate APs. So for example, if you have 'foobar' in the b/g band and foobar in the a-band, you'll see both APs. In the future we should actually show what's different about them in the menu. What's your network situation like? Dan I have installed/upgraded to about 10 diffent Fedora 9 systems, and in every one I had the duplication phenomenon. How does one get rid of the duplicate? thanks andrew ___ NetworkManager-list mailing list NetworkManager-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/networkmanager-list ___ NetworkManager-list mailing list NetworkManager-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/networkmanager-list
Re: stupid question - duplicated list ?
On Tue, 2008-10-21 at 19:43 -0400, Andrew wrote: this may have been addressed before, but my googling has been fruitless. Why does the dropdown list from nm-applet have all the available networks duplicated? (first the list, then its copy?) What NM RPM version? If you have multiple access points with the same SSID, but with different bands, security options, or modes, you'll get duplicate entries because they are separate APs. So for example, if you have 'foobar' in the b/g band and foobar in the a-band, you'll see both APs. In the future we should actually show what's different about them in the menu. In my case it is unequivocal duplication of EVERYTHING, always. Two identical lists. And I don't think i've ever been in the midst of multiple distinct AP's whose names coincide. But EVERY single time i've used NM, on many distinct hardware systems ((although with the same exact OS, thus far: Fedora 9 -- i've installed lots of F9's lately), I got/get the duplication. I almost started thinking it was the intended norm. Most of the systems have the out-of-the-box F9 NM version ; i have yum-updated a few. One I am looking at at the moment has 0.7.0-14.svn3675, with the *-glib and *gnome packages the same version, exceping the *-openvpn, which is *svn3632 On a different system, as you know, I've built NM and nm-applet from source (with your latest alterations). Same exact manifestation with this home-built, hacked version. I see Two identical lists, one below the other. Each has the grayed header Wireless Networks (Belkin AR2413 802.11bg NIC) BTW, is there a command-line option for NM to print its version? The svn snapshot i compiled was from around September 28. Could the duplication be a Fedora thing, i wonder? I *did* search the Fedoraforum.org site but didn't find any solutions (and googled all around, for that matter) thanks again. What's your network situation like? Dan I have installed/upgraded to about 10 diffent Fedora 9 systems, and in every one I had the duplication phenomenon. How does one get rid of the duplicate? ___ NetworkManager-list mailing list NetworkManager-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/networkmanager-list
Re: stupid question - duplicated list ?
On Wed, 2008-10-22 at 12:14 -0400, Andrew wrote: On Tue, 2008-10-21 at 19:43 -0400, Andrew wrote: this may have been addressed before, but my googling has been fruitless. Why does the dropdown list from nm-applet have all the available networks duplicated? (first the list, then its copy?) What NM RPM version? If you have multiple access points with the same SSID, but with different bands, security options, or modes, you'll get duplicate entries because they are separate APs. So for example, if you have 'foobar' in the b/g band and foobar in the a-band, you'll see both APs. In the future we should actually show what's different about them in the menu. In my case it is unequivocal duplication of EVERYTHING, always. Two identical lists. And I don't think i've ever been in the midst of multiple distinct AP's whose names coincide. But EVERY single time i've used NM, on many distinct hardware systems ((although with the same exact OS, thus far: Fedora 9 -- i've installed lots of F9's lately), I got/get the duplication. I almost started thinking it was the intended norm. Most of the systems have the out-of-the-box F9 NM version ; i have yum-updated a few. One I am looking at at the moment has 0.7.0-14.svn3675, with the *-glib and *gnome packages the same version, exceping the *-openvpn, which is *svn3632 These aren't the latest updates, you probably want the newest bits and the newest kernel at least. But they won't help your problem. On a different system, as you know, I've built NM and nm-applet from source (with your latest alterations). Same exact manifestation with this home-built, hacked version. I see Two identical lists, one below the other. Each has the grayed header Wireless Networks (Belkin AR2413 802.11bg NIC) So this is the problem, NM thinks you have two wireless cards in your machine. That's most definitely a HAL/kernel issue. What kernel version do you have installed? Can you mail me the output of 'lshal' and 'iwconfig' from the command line? Dan ___ NetworkManager-list mailing list NetworkManager-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/networkmanager-list
