Re: Service Provider Database
On Fri, 2009-09-11 at 11:08 +0300, Antti Kaijanmäki wrote: Hello! I can't even describe how happy it made me feel when I discovered that you guys had taken over the m-b-p-i and even rolled out an upstream assistant and new database format with MCC/MCN codes. Thank you! It means so much to me to finally see that the database has taken a life of it's own and truly shown to be something that can make a difference. Yep, though mostly it's just been me updating. It's kinda fun actually; I do try to go through and verify that user submissions are mostly correct, which takes me on trips through wikipedia's MCC/MNC page, gsm trade association website, carrier websites often in other languages, lots of google, etc. It's nice to see user's actually sending in updates. I haven't had any time to work on the database and quite frankly it made me really sad and frustrated. Patches piled up on my inbox and I fell into some kind of apathetic state of mind regarding the database and just started to ignore it[0]. No problem; but starting with your work on the wizard it's been neat to see how it can make configuring a mobile broadband connection that much easier. I decided to finally do something about the patches and get them forward. Here's a list of bug reports I've created based on the emails: And last week I finally got around to handling all those. Rolled a new release too. Thanks! (do you still want your name in configure.ac?) Dan https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=594836 https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=594838 https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=594839 https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=594841 https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=594842 https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=594843 https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=594844 https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=594845 https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=594846 https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=594848 https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=594849 https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=594850 https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=594851 https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=594852 https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=594853 https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=594854 Note that I've intentionally left out information about the original senders as I'm not certain all of them want to be publicly named. I've sent links to them to bug reports that are based on their emails so that they can provide more information if they wish. I also took the liberty to advise them to contact Dan directly if they do not want to have a discussion out in in the public. Cheers! -- Antti PS. there are also bug reports at Launchpad in two separate locations: https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/mobile-broadband-provider-info https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/mobile-broadband-provider-info [0] exactly like David Allen describes in his book Getting Things Done. It's odd how simple things like writing an email or applying a patch can become a big mental obstacle when there's a ton of other Stuff that needs your attention too. ___ NetworkManager-list mailing list NetworkManager-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/networkmanager-list ___ NetworkManager-list mailing list NetworkManager-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/networkmanager-list
Re: Service Provider Database
ti, 2009-09-22 kello 23:03 -0700, Dan Williams kirjoitti: (do you still want your name in configure.ac?) I think it's better to have an active maintainer there, so please go ahead and change it. And while you are at it last time I checked there was many obsolete files in the mbpi tree like README.svn and other stuff that contain outdated information. I think those should be either removed or updated. Thanks! -- Antti signature.asc Description: Digitaalisesti allekirjoitettu viestin osa ___ NetworkManager-list mailing list NetworkManager-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/networkmanager-list
Service Provider Database
Hello! I can't even describe how happy it made me feel when I discovered that you guys had taken over the m-b-p-i and even rolled out an upstream assistant and new database format with MCC/MCN codes. Thank you! It means so much to me to finally see that the database has taken a life of it's own and truly shown to be something that can make a difference. I haven't had any time to work on the database and quite frankly it made me really sad and frustrated. Patches piled up on my inbox and I fell into some kind of apathetic state of mind regarding the database and just started to ignore it[0]. I decided to finally do something about the patches and get them forward. Here's a list of bug reports I've created based on the emails: https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=594836 https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=594838 https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=594839 https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=594841 https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=594842 https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=594843 https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=594844 https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=594845 https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=594846 https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=594848 https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=594849 https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=594850 https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=594851 https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=594852 https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=594853 https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=594854 Note that I've intentionally left out information about the original senders as I'm not certain all of them want to be publicly named. I've sent links to them to bug reports that are based on their emails so that they can provide more information if they wish. I also took the liberty to advise them to contact Dan directly if they do not want to have a discussion out in in the public. Cheers! -- Antti PS. there are also bug reports at Launchpad in two separate locations: https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/mobile-broadband-provider-info https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/mobile-broadband-provider-info [0] exactly like David Allen describes in his book Getting Things Done. It's odd how simple things like writing an email or applying a patch can become a big mental obstacle when there's a ton of other Stuff that needs your attention too. signature.asc Description: Digitaalisesti allekirjoitettu viestin osa ___ NetworkManager-list mailing list NetworkManager-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/networkmanager-list
Re: Service Provider Database
ma, 2008-06-02 kello 14:39 +0300, Antti Kaijanmäki kirjoitti: Hello, one part of my project is to create and specify a database for service provider specific settings. I've created an example page in live.gnome.org[1]. Please, comment if you find something missing or you disagree. I will begin with the implementation next week. I updated the page. There's now a DTD + some other changes. -- Antti signature.asc Description: Digitaalisesti allekirjoitettu viestin osa ___ NetworkManager-list mailing list NetworkManager-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/networkmanager-list
Re: Service Provider Database
ma, 2008-06-02 kello 13:18 +0100, Bastien Nocera kirjoitti: On Mon, 2008-06-02 at 15:12 +0300, Antti Kaijanmäki wrote: snip provider nameService Provider - CDMA/name cdma / /provider provider nameService Provider - GSM/name gsm apninternet/apn /gsm /provider provider nameService Provider - GSM prepaid/name gsm apnprepaid.provider/apn /gsm /provider I'd rather have: provider type=gsm nameService Provider - GSM prepaid/name apnprepaid.provider/apn /provider I see your point and this was my first idea also. But the problem with this approach is that I can't validate this with a DTD. At least I didn't find any way to state: 'if provider element has property type set as gsm the element must contain child element apn ' But I can state: 'provider must have either gsm, cdma or phs child element' -- Antti signature.asc Description: Digitaalisesti allekirjoitettu viestin osa ___ NetworkManager-list mailing list NetworkManager-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/networkmanager-list
Re: Service Provider Database
On Thu, 2008-06-05 at 11:50 +0300, Antti Kaijanmäki wrote: snip I also mentioned another option which you seem to have discounted, and can easily be used in a DTD. provider gsm / nameService Provider - GSM prepaid/name apnprepaid.provider/apn /provider Your previous mail had type property also with this one and it had the same problem as the first one had. That's why I didn't comment on that. You can: (gsm, name, apn)? | name Would make sure you have an apn when you have a gsm tag. In all cases, you could also use a C program to validate your XML file, which would give you more options. ___ NetworkManager-list mailing list NetworkManager-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/networkmanager-list
Re: Service Provider Database
to, 2008-06-05 kello 10:52 +0100, Bastien Nocera kirjoitti: On Thu, 2008-06-05 at 11:50 +0300, Antti Kaijanmäki wrote: snip I also mentioned another option which you seem to have discounted, and can easily be used in a DTD. provider gsm / nameService Provider - GSM prepaid/name apnprepaid.provider/apn /provider Your previous mail had type property also with this one and it had the same problem as the first one had. That's why I didn't comment on that. You can: (gsm, name, apn)? | name Would make sure you have an apn when you have a gsm tag. and this would mean something like this: provider gsm / namefoo/name apnfoo.internet/apn /provider which is not far away from: provider namefoo/name gsm apnfoo.internet/apn /gsm /provider In all cases, you could also use a C program to validate your XML file, which would give you more options. True, but our discussion has been, the way I see it, only about semantics. Our opinions differ, but as I haven't seen any technical arguments that make my proposal invalid, I am going to stick with it. I truly appreciate your input and I hope this doesn't leave hard feelings to anyone. Thanks, Antti signature.asc Description: Digitaalisesti allekirjoitettu viestin osa ___ NetworkManager-list mailing list NetworkManager-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/networkmanager-list
Re: Service Provider Database
Hi, I changed alpha-3 codes to alpha-2 because /usr/share/zoneinfo/zone.tab and /usr/share/zoneinfo/iso3166.tab use them. -- Antti ma, 2008-06-02 kello 14:39 +0300, Antti Kaijanmäki kirjoitti: Hello, one part of my project is to create and specify a database for service provider specific settings. I've created an example page in live.gnome.org[1]. Please, comment if you find something missing or you disagree. I will begin with the implementation next week. Br, Antti PS. Is there someone on this list who can shed some light on PHS[2]? Is it something that could be used with GNU/Linux and does it require service provider specific configuration? [1]http://live.gnome.org/NetworkManager/MobileBroadband/ServiceProviders [2]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Personal_Handy-phone_System ___ NetworkManager-list mailing list NetworkManager-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/networkmanager-list signature.asc Description: Digitaalisesti allekirjoitettu viestin osa ___ NetworkManager-list mailing list NetworkManager-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/networkmanager-list
Re: Service Provider Database
On Wed, 2008-06-04 at 21:57 +0300, Antti Kaijanmäki wrote: Hi, I changed alpha-3 codes to alpha-2 because /usr/share/zoneinfo/zone.tab and /usr/share/zoneinfo/iso3166.tab use them. That's also what libgweather uses for its data, as mentioned in my mail to desktop-devel. Cheers ___ NetworkManager-list mailing list NetworkManager-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/networkmanager-list
Re: Service Provider Database
On Mon, 2008-06-02 at 14:39 +0300, Antti Kaijanmäki wrote: Hello, one part of my project is to create and specify a database for service provider specific settings. I've created an example page in live.gnome.org[1]. Please, comment if you find something missing or you disagree. I will begin with the implementation next week. Will you be using the XML file I sent as an example? Also, I don't think that the gsm and cdma tags are really that useful, they could be properties of the provider instead (or do we have any providers that do both?). Cheers ___ NetworkManager-list mailing list NetworkManager-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/networkmanager-list
Re: Service Provider Database
ma, 2008-06-02 kello 12:48 +0100, Bastien Nocera kirjoitti: On Mon, 2008-06-02 at 14:39 +0300, Antti Kaijanmäki wrote: Hello, one part of my project is to create and specify a database for service provider specific settings. I've created an example page in live.gnome.org[1]. Please, comment if you find something missing or you disagree. I will begin with the implementation next week. Will you be using the XML file I sent as an example? I could use it, but I would have to write a conversion script from your XML format to the format we decide to use. I rather modify my existing python script instead and make direct conversion from the last GPRS EC database. Also, I don't think that the gsm and cdma tags are really that useful, they could be properties of the provider instead (or do we have any providers that do both?). with properties you mean attributes? If so then w3school says[1]: There are no rules about when to use attributes and when to use elements. Attributes are handy in HTML. In XML my advice is to avoid them. Use elements instead. And I prefer elements :) If a service provider offers different types of subscriptions then there would be provider element for every different type and the name element would distinguish the types from each other. provider nameService Provider - CDMA/name cdma / /provider provider nameService Provider - GSM/name gsm apninternet/apn /gsm /provider provider nameService Provider - GSM prepaid/name gsm apnprepaid.provider/apn /gsm /provider The user would see a drop-down menu with items: Service Provider - CDMA Service Provider - GSM Service Provider - GSM prepaid -- Antti signature.asc Description: Digitaalisesti allekirjoitettu viestin osa ___ NetworkManager-list mailing list NetworkManager-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/networkmanager-list
Re: Service Provider Database
I forgot the link.. [1] http://www.w3schools.com/xml/xml_attributes.asp ma, 2008-06-02 kello 15:12 +0300, Antti Kaijanmäki kirjoitti: ma, 2008-06-02 kello 12:48 +0100, Bastien Nocera kirjoitti: On Mon, 2008-06-02 at 14:39 +0300, Antti Kaijanmäki wrote: Hello, one part of my project is to create and specify a database for service provider specific settings. I've created an example page in live.gnome.org[1]. Please, comment if you find something missing or you disagree. I will begin with the implementation next week. Will you be using the XML file I sent as an example? I could use it, but I would have to write a conversion script from your XML format to the format we decide to use. I rather modify my existing python script instead and make direct conversion from the last GPRS EC database. Also, I don't think that the gsm and cdma tags are really that useful, they could be properties of the provider instead (or do we have any providers that do both?). with properties you mean attributes? If so then w3school says[1]: There are no rules about when to use attributes and when to use elements. Attributes are handy in HTML. In XML my advice is to avoid them. Use elements instead. And I prefer elements :) If a service provider offers different types of subscriptions then there would be provider element for every different type and the name element would distinguish the types from each other. provider nameService Provider - CDMA/name cdma / /provider provider nameService Provider - GSM/name gsm apninternet/apn /gsm /provider provider nameService Provider - GSM prepaid/name gsm apnprepaid.provider/apn /gsm /provider The user would see a drop-down menu with items: Service Provider - CDMA Service Provider - GSM Service Provider - GSM prepaid -- Antti ___ NetworkManager-list mailing list NetworkManager-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/networkmanager-list signature.asc Description: Digitaalisesti allekirjoitettu viestin osa ___ NetworkManager-list mailing list NetworkManager-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/networkmanager-list
Re: Service Provider Database
On Mon, 2008-06-02 at 15:12 +0300, Antti Kaijanmäki wrote: ma, 2008-06-02 kello 12:48 +0100, Bastien Nocera kirjoitti: On Mon, 2008-06-02 at 14:39 +0300, Antti Kaijanmäki wrote: Hello, one part of my project is to create and specify a database for service provider specific settings. I've created an example page in live.gnome.org[1]. Please, comment if you find something missing or you disagree. I will begin with the implementation next week. Will you be using the XML file I sent as an example? I could use it, but I would have to write a conversion script from your XML format to the format we decide to use. I rather modify my existing python script instead and make direct conversion from the last GPRS EC database. I believe I've also posted the Perl script that generated the output, which does the country code conversion, and tags the providers properly. Also, I don't think that the gsm and cdma tags are really that useful, they could be properties of the provider instead (or do we have any providers that do both?). with properties you mean attributes? If so then w3school says[1]: There are no rules about when to use attributes and when to use elements. Attributes are handy in HTML. In XML my advice is to avoid them. Use elements instead. And I prefer elements :) If a service provider offers different types of subscriptions then there would be provider element for every different type and the name element would distinguish the types from each other. provider nameService Provider - CDMA/name cdma / /provider provider nameService Provider - GSM/name gsm apninternet/apn /gsm /provider provider nameService Provider - GSM prepaid/name gsm apnprepaid.provider/apn /gsm /provider I'd rather have: provider type=gsm nameService Provider - GSM prepaid/name apnprepaid.provider/apn /provider Or at least: provider type=gsm gsm / nameService Provider - GSM prepaid/name apnprepaid.provider/apn /provider Whether they're GSM or CDMA is a property of the provider. The user would see a drop-down menu with items: Service Provider - CDMA Service Provider - GSM Service Provider - GSM prepaid Cheers ___ NetworkManager-list mailing list NetworkManager-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/networkmanager-list
Re: Service Provider Database
On Mon, 02 Jun 2008 14:39:51 +0300 Antti Kaijanmäki [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Is there someone on this list who can shed some light on PHS[2]? It is a Japanese market DECT-like system allowing some usage outside the home via a subscription service. It's pretty old now, developed in the 1993-1995 timescale, and I don't know how much of it is still extant. I doubt it used any kind of SIM card, it was more likely to be based on a MAC address type pairing with a base station in the home and use the same mechanism to associate with a public base station and account when outside. -- Brian Morrison bdm at fenrir dot org dot uk Arguing with an engineer is like wrestling with a pig in the mud; after a while you realize you are muddy and the pig is enjoying it. GnuPG key ID DE32E5C5 - http://wwwkeys.uk.pgp.net/pgpnet/wwwkeys.html ___ NetworkManager-list mailing list NetworkManager-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/networkmanager-list
Re: Service Provider Database
On Mon, 2008-06-02 at 14:39 +0300, Antti Kaijanmäki wrote: Hello, one part of my project is to create and specify a database for service provider specific settings. I've created an example page in live.gnome.org[1]. Please, comment if you find something missing or you disagree. I will begin with the implementation next week. Br, Antti PS. Is there someone on this list who can shed some light on PHS[2]? Is it something that could be used with GNU/Linux and does it require service provider specific configuration? I guess we'd better at least allow for PHS to be added when the users show up, even if we don't put them in now. Should probably just be another attribute on the provider like GSM or CDMA. Dan ___ NetworkManager-list mailing list NetworkManager-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/networkmanager-list
Re: Service Provider Database
On Mon, 2008-06-02 at 12:48 +0100, Bastien Nocera wrote: On Mon, 2008-06-02 at 14:39 +0300, Antti Kaijanmäki wrote: Hello, one part of my project is to create and specify a database for service provider specific settings. I've created an example page in live.gnome.org[1]. Please, comment if you find something missing or you disagree. I will begin with the implementation next week. Will you be using the XML file I sent as an example? Also, I don't think that the gsm and cdma tags are really that useful, they could be properties of the provider instead (or do we have any providers that do both?). Verizon's stated forward path is CDMA + LTE, so yeah, we'll have them in a year or two if we don't already. And some operators have converted from IS-95 to GSM (Vivo in Brazil for example). Dan ___ NetworkManager-list mailing list NetworkManager-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/networkmanager-list
