Re: [newbie] Good Newsgroup Reader?
Try Netscape. -Original Message- From: Chip Rose. [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Friday, November 12, 1999 8:15 PM Subject: Re: [newbie] Good Newsgroup Reader? I've been using Free Agent as my NG reader in window$ for as long as I have been online. Now that I'm moving up to Linux, what do you recommend? Thanks. = Linux has nothing that even remotely matches Agent/Free Agent, or the other Windows newsreaders, *PARTICULARLY* in regard to handling binary files (pics, mp3's). Agent just downloads them and automatically and quickly opens the file in Winamp or in an photo/image viewer like VuePro. In Linux you've got to download the file and then start another helper application to open the file separately - kind of like going out in the winter cold to crank-start your car and then opening the hood to manually start it again at every traffic light/stop sign, and then once you're finished driving it. A killer-app is one that you'd be willing to change OS's for - the Agent/Vuepro combination is a killer app in my opinion. I always use SLRN for news - it is very fast and fairly efficient for TEXT, but it won't handle binaries hardly at all - at least not without the tedious manual downloading, saving to a directory and then re-opening with another application like Winamp or XV photo viewer etc.. I LOVE Linux, but it's a definite "non-player" in the Usenet world.. I'd certainly go ahead and purchase a commercial app for Linux if there were one that was anywhere near the efficiency/ability of Agent.
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I looked at gnus, not really sure how it installs or works? Jeanette - Original Message - From: "Jaguar" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, November 13, 1999 9:55 AM Subject: Re: [Re: [newbie] Good Newsgroup Reader?] For Binaries I use "NewsBin" on my M$ system...excellant proggy, it supports 6 threads and is a shareware. With a combined (all 6 threads)d/l over my cable modem, I get sustained 300K with peaks over 400K. For general NEWS reading I think that Netscape is prolly the best tho (IMHO). Not sure if Newsbin will run on Wine or VMWare. HTH Jaguar Jeanette Russo [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: the problem with most of the newsreaders is that one they don't thread well and two if someone puts a hypelink in their post you can't follow it Jeanette Mike Fieschko wrote: "Jeanette" == Jeanette Russo [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Jeanette Joe Marcom wrote: Hello, again. I've been using Free Agent as my NG reader in window$ for as long as I have been online. Now that I'm moving up to Linux, what do you recommend? Thanks. Joe Jeanette This newreader problem is almost as bad as the browser Jeanette problem. The best newsreader I have been able to use in Jeanette Linux is Netscape also. I have tried PINE, TRN, SLRN, Jeanette kexpress, Free Agent on Wine (runs but won't get news), Jeanette knews, krn, and Pan, and Star Office newsreader and Jeanette Netscape is still the best. If Linux can only get a [snip] Have you tried gnus? It is a mail and news reader which runs in emacs or xemacs. http://www.gnus.org Very configurable, so it might be a bit complicated to set up. -- Mike Fieschko, West Orange, NJ, USA X-Mailer: XEmacs 21.1, VM 6.75 and random-sig.el Kernel 2.2.13-28mdk http://www.viconet.com/fieschko/home.htm Nov 12 St Martin I Get your own FREE, personal Netscape WebMail account today at http://webmail.netscape.com.
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"Jeanette" == Jeanette Russo [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Jeanette I looked at gnus, not really sure how it installs or Jeanette works? Jeanette [snip] I'm unsure how to answer this. Have you a more specific question? On installing: there are rpms for emacs and emacs-X11 from Mandrake, which will install gnus. You may then either start emacs, or xemacs, and then launch gnus from within a running emacs or xemacs, or you may launch gnus directly by doing 'emacs -f gnus' or 'xemacs -f gnus'. Before launching gnus for the first time, you ought to specify from where you get your news, and look at the many options available to customize how gnus behaves. There are many web pages explaining customization options, and a newsgroup gnu.emacs.gnus. -- Mike Fieschko, West Orange, NJ, USA X-Mailer: XEmacs 21.1, VM 6.75 and random-sig.el Kernel 2.2.13-28mdk http://www.viconet.com/fieschko/home.htm Nov 15 St Albert the Great
Re: [newbie] Good Newsgroup Reader?
"Jeanette" == Jeanette Russo [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Jeanette the problem with most of the newsreaders is that one Jeanette they don't thread well and two if someone puts a Jeanette hypelink in their post you can't follow it [snip] I again suggest that you visit http://www.gnus.org as the Gnus news reader does thread and will open a browser by clicking on a URL inside an article. It is the news reader I use. I do not follow binary groups, so others' needs may be different. -- Mike Fieschko, West Orange, NJ, USA X-Mailer: XEmacs 21.1, VM 6.75 and random-sig.el Kernel 2.2.13-28mdk http://www.viconet.com/fieschko/home.htm Nov 13 St Didacus or St Francis Xavier Cabrini "The riddles of God are more satisfying than the solutions of man." - [G.K. Chesterton, in Introduction to the Book of Job, 1907]
Re: [newbie] Good Newsgroup Reader?
tin does threads really well, if only I could get it working... no hyperlinks though but there's always cut and paste into netscape which is what I usually do anyway. DvB On Fri, 12 Nov 1999, Jeanette Russo wrote: the problem with most of the newsreaders is that one they don't thread well and two if someone puts a hypelink in their post you can't follow it Jeanette Mike Fieschko wrote: "Jeanette" == Jeanette Russo [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Jeanette Joe Marcom wrote: Hello, again. I've been using Free Agent as my NG reader in window$ for as long as I have been online. Now that I'm moving up to Linux, what do you recommend? Thanks. Joe Jeanette This newreader problem is almost as bad as the browser Jeanette problem. The best newsreader I have been able to use in Jeanette Linux is Netscape also. I have tried PINE, TRN, SLRN, Jeanette kexpress, Free Agent on Wine (runs but won't get news), Jeanette knews, krn, and Pan, and Star Office newsreader and Jeanette Netscape is still the best. If Linux can only get a [snip] Have you tried gnus? It is a mail and news reader which runs in emacs or xemacs. http://www.gnus.org Very configurable, so it might be a bit complicated to set up. -- Mike Fieschko, West Orange, NJ, USA X-Mailer: XEmacs 21.1, VM 6.75 and random-sig.el Kernel 2.2.13-28mdk http://www.viconet.com/fieschko/home.htm Nov 12 St Martin I
Re: [newbie] Good Newsgroup Reader?
I beg to differ on the point regarding following a hyperlink in a newsreader. I us KRN 0.6.0, standard with Mandrake 6.0, and I can follow a hyperlink in a message, it opens in KFM. Sure, KRN aint Agent, but it works well enough to keep me from booting into winblows. Chip On Fri, 12 Nov 1999, you wrote: the problem with most of the newsreaders is that one they don't thread well and two if someone puts a hypelink in their post you can't follow it Jeanette Mike Fieschko wrote: "Jeanette" == Jeanette Russo [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Jeanette Joe Marcom wrote: Hello, again. I've been using Free Agent as my NG reader in window$ for as long as I have been online. Now that I'm moving up to Linux, what do you recommend? Thanks. Joe Jeanette This newreader problem is almost as bad as the browser Jeanette problem. The best newsreader I have been able to use in Jeanette Linux is Netscape also. I have tried PINE, TRN, SLRN, Jeanette kexpress, Free Agent on Wine (runs but won't get news), Jeanette knews, krn, and Pan, and Star Office newsreader and Jeanette Netscape is still the best. If Linux can only get a [snip] Have you tried gnus? It is a mail and news reader which runs in emacs or xemacs. http://www.gnus.org Very configurable, so it might be a bit complicated to set up. -- Mike Fieschko, West Orange, NJ, USA X-Mailer: XEmacs 21.1, VM 6.75 and random-sig.el Kernel 2.2.13-28mdk http://www.viconet.com/fieschko/home.htm Nov 12 St Martin I
Re: [newbie] Good Newsgroup Reader?
"Jeanette" == Jeanette Russo [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Jeanette Joe Marcom wrote: Hello, again. I've been using Free Agent as my NG reader in window$ for as long as I have been online. Now that I'm moving up to Linux, what do you recommend? Thanks. Joe Jeanette This newreader problem is almost as bad as the browser Jeanette problem. The best newsreader I have been able to use in Jeanette Linux is Netscape also. I have tried PINE, TRN, SLRN, Jeanette kexpress, Free Agent on Wine (runs but won't get news), Jeanette knews, krn, and Pan, and Star Office newsreader and Jeanette Netscape is still the best. If Linux can only get a [snip] Have you tried gnus? It is a mail and news reader which runs in emacs or xemacs. http://www.gnus.org Very configurable, so it might be a bit complicated to set up. -- Mike Fieschko, West Orange, NJ, USA X-Mailer: XEmacs 21.1, VM 6.75 and random-sig.el Kernel 2.2.13-28mdk http://www.viconet.com/fieschko/home.htm Nov 12 St Martin I
Re: [newbie] Good Newsgroup Reader?
Joe Marcom wrote: Hello, again. I've been using Free Agent as my NG reader in window$ for as long as I have been online. Now that I'm moving up to Linux, what do you recommend? Thanks. Joe I have tried several and found that Staroffice suits me best. SO combined with leafnode is an exellent chice if you have a modemconection. Olle Viksten I use Agent (soemtimes I have to go online and spend time using Windows - using Agent for both means I don't download the same message twice) Agent and Free Agent (thankfully) both work pretty well under WINE in Linux Andrew
Re: [newbie] Good Newsgroup Reader?
Since someone brought the subject up, my favorite newsreader has always been tin. However, I can't seem to get it workin under Linux... when I run it it clears the screen, prints a message too fast for me to read it, and dies. Any ideas? DvB On Fri, 12 Nov 1999, Jeanette Russo wrote: Joe Marcom wrote: Hello, again. I've been using Free Agent as my NG reader in window$ for as long as I have been online. Now that I'm moving up to Linux, what do you recommend? Thanks. Joe This newreader problem is almost as bad as the browser problem. The best newsreader I have been able to use in Linux is Netscape also. I have tried PINE, TRN, SLRN, kexpress, Free Agent on Wine (runs but won't get news), knews, krn, and Pan, and Star Office newsreader and Netscape is still the best. If Linux can only get a good browser, newsreader, install tt fonts by default, and fix the printer support problems we will have a great desktop. Right now its pretty good, but there are still some shortcomings to using Linux on the Net. Jeanette
Re: [newbie] Good Newsgroup Reader?
I've been using Free Agent as my NG reader in window$ for as long as I have been online. Now that I'm moving up to Linux, what do you recommend? Thanks. = Linux has nothing that even remotely matches Agent/Free Agent, or the other Windows newsreaders, *PARTICULARLY* in regard to handling binary files (pics, mp3's). Agent just downloads them and automatically and quickly opens the file in Winamp or in an photo/image viewer like VuePro. In Linux you've got to download the file and then start another helper application to open the file separately - kind of like going out in the winter cold to crank-start your car and then opening the hood to manually start it again at every traffic light/stop sign, and then once you're finished driving it. A killer-app is one that you'd be willing to change OS's for - the Agent/Vuepro combination is a killer app in my opinion. I always use SLRN for news - it is very fast and fairly efficient for TEXT, but it won't handle binaries hardly at all - at least not without the tedious manual downloading, saving to a directory and then re-opening with another application like Winamp or XV photo viewer etc.. I LOVE Linux, but it's a definite "non-player" in the Usenet world.. I'd certainly go ahead and purchase a commercial app for Linux if there were one that was anywhere near the efficiency/ability of Agent.
Re: [newbie] Good Newsgroup Reader?
On Fri, 12 Nov 1999, you wrote: Hello, again. I've been using Free Agent as my NG reader in window$ for as long as I have been online. Now that I'm moving up to Linux, what do you recommend? Thanks. Joe Honestly? Probably Netscape. :-) I know...it's not NEARLY as good as Free Agentbut, if you run WINE you can probably still use Free Agent. :-) John
Re: [newbie] Good Newsgroup Reader?
On Fri, 12 Nov 1999, you wrote: I would like to know this too, as I'm in the same predicament. Been using Agent for years. Free Agent (or perhaps Agent32) and WINE??? I know I've been told that Free Agent runs BEAUTIFULLY under WINE, and that Agent32 MAY work well... John
Re: [newbie] Good Newsgroup Reader?
I tried to make Free Agent work with Wine and it ran ok, but couldn't seem to find the news server to download any news, like it didn't have a winsock or something, never could find a way to make it work so if someone knows let me know. Tried posting in the Wine newsgroup but if your not a developer they won't even respond to you. Jeanette - Original Message - From: "John Aldrich" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, November 12, 1999 7:28 PM Subject: Re: [newbie] Good Newsgroup Reader? On Fri, 12 Nov 1999, you wrote: I would like to know this too, as I'm in the same predicament. Been using Agent for years. Free Agent (or perhaps Agent32) and WINE??? I know I've been told that Free Agent runs BEAUTIFULLY under WINE, and that Agent32 MAY work well... John
RE: [newbie] Good Newsgroup Reader?
I beg to differ. The newsreader in Netscape handles all the attachments and embedded docs I ever run into on usenet. Ken Wilson First Law of Optimisation: The speed of a non-working program is irrelevant (Steve Heller, 'Efficient C/C++ Programming') -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Chip Rose. Sent: November 12, 1999 4:36 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [newbie] Good Newsgroup Reader? Linux has nothing that even remotely matches Agent/Free Agent, or the other Windows newsreaders, *PARTICULARLY* in regard to handling binary files (pics, mp3's). Agent just downloads them and automatically and quickly opens the file in Winamp or in an photo/image viewer like VuePro. In Linux you've got to download the file and then start another helper application to open the file separately - kind of like going out in the winter cold to crank-start your car and then opening the hood to manually start it again at every traffic light/stop sign, and then once you're finished driving it. A killer-app is one that you'd be willing to change OS's for - the Agent/Vuepro combination is a killer app in my opinion. I always use SLRN for news - it is very fast and fairly efficient for TEXT, but it won't handle binaries hardly at all - at least not without the tedious manual downloading, saving to a directory and then re-opening with another application like Winamp or XV photo viewer etc.. I LOVE Linux, but it's a definite "non-player" in the Usenet world.. I'd certainly go ahead and purchase a commercial app for Linux if there were one that was anywhere near the efficiency/ability of Agent.
Re: [newbie] Good Newsgroup Reader?
"Chip" == Chip Rose [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: [snip] Chip Linux has nothing that even remotely matches Agent/Free Chip Agent, or the other Windows newsreaders, *PARTICULARLY* in Chip regard to handling binary files (pics, mp3's). Agent just Chip downloads them and automatically and quickly opens the file Chip in Winamp or in an photo/image viewer like VuePro. In Linux Chip you've got to download the file and then start another Chip helper application to open the file separately - kind of [snip] I'm not sure you have to download and manually start a "helper application". Take a look at http://socha.net/Gnus/screenshots/mime.html Is this what you mean: in line MIME decoding: displaying the image in the body of the article? See also http://www.gnus.org/manual/gnus_4.html#SEC118 -- Mike Fieschko, West Orange, NJ, USA X-Mailer: XEmacs 21.1, VM 6.75 and random-sig.el Kernel 2.2.13-28mdk http://www.viconet.com/fieschko/home.htm Nov 12 St Martin I
Re: [newbie] Good Newsgroup Reader?
the problem with most of the newsreaders is that one they don't thread well and two if someone puts a hypelink in their post you can't follow it Jeanette Mike Fieschko wrote: "Jeanette" == Jeanette Russo [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Jeanette Joe Marcom wrote: Hello, again. I've been using Free Agent as my NG reader in window$ for as long as I have been online. Now that I'm moving up to Linux, what do you recommend? Thanks. Joe Jeanette This newreader problem is almost as bad as the browser Jeanette problem. The best newsreader I have been able to use in Jeanette Linux is Netscape also. I have tried PINE, TRN, SLRN, Jeanette kexpress, Free Agent on Wine (runs but won't get news), Jeanette knews, krn, and Pan, and Star Office newsreader and Jeanette Netscape is still the best. If Linux can only get a [snip] Have you tried gnus? It is a mail and news reader which runs in emacs or xemacs. http://www.gnus.org Very configurable, so it might be a bit complicated to set up. -- Mike Fieschko, West Orange, NJ, USA X-Mailer: XEmacs 21.1, VM 6.75 and random-sig.el Kernel 2.2.13-28mdk http://www.viconet.com/fieschko/home.htm Nov 12 St Martin I
