Re: [newbie] Is it possible to have a system with no monitor?
On Monday 13 Jan 2003 12:00 pm, Derek Jennings wrote: I'm coming into this thread a bit late so apologies if this has already been suggested. VNC server will start the window manager declared in the ~/.vnc/xstartup of the user the vncserver was started from. (You are editing the correct xstartup file are you?) If the last line in the file is /usr/bin/startkde then KDE will be the desktop used. Works for me anyway. derek Derek, can you paste your ~/.vnc/xstartup entry please. I have tried changing that file and have used the same last line as you suggested before without success. I have even tried commenting out other lines in there but didn't make any difference. I have downloaded the latest version from the VNC site and all machines have had the old files removed now and the /.vnc/ directories have been deleted for a fresh start on this with the new files. -- magnet Registered Linux User: 281659 Registered machines: 163839,163840,163841,163842,163843,163844 6xAthlon 1.2GHz all running some flavour of Mandrake. My home is over-run with penguins that like a warm environment! Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Is it possible to have a system with no monitor?
On Tuesday 14 Jan 2003 3:35 pm, magnet wrote: On Monday 13 Jan 2003 12:00 pm, Derek Jennings wrote: I'm coming into this thread a bit late so apologies if this has already been suggested. VNC server will start the window manager declared in the ~/.vnc/xstartup of the user the vncserver was started from. (You are editing the correct xstartup file are you?) If the last line in the file is /usr/bin/startkde then KDE will be the desktop used. Works for me anyway. derek Derek, can you paste your ~/.vnc/xstartup entry please. I have tried changing that file and have used the same last line as you suggested before without success. I have even tried commenting out other lines in there but didn't make any difference. I have downloaded the latest version from the VNC site and all machines have had the old files removed now and the /.vnc/ directories have been deleted for a fresh start on this with the new files. I can guess your problem ~/.vnc/xstartup needs to be executable ~/.vnc/passwd need to have read permissions for user only. Here is some other info that may be useful --- 1/ I use tightvnc-server and tightvnc from Mandrake 9.0 install CDs Tightvnc is compatible with vnc but is more secure/bandwidth efficient. 2/ My ~/.vnc/xstartup looks like this : (Make it executable) #!/bin/bash startkde #fluxbox (I normally use fluxbox over vnc. It is faster) 3/ Run vnspasswd to set the password. It is saved in ~/.vnc/passwd . Make it readable only to the user. 4/ Start vncserver with vncserver -depth 16 -geometry 800x600 :1 Setting geometry avoids having a window larger than the remote screen. Setting colour depth limits bandwidth use. 16 bits uses twice as much bandwidth as 8 bits, and half as much as 32 bits. The geometry and depth may also be set by the viewer. Whichever has the lowest requirement will get what they want. Forcing the screen number makes it easier to know which screen to kill later on. 5/ Always close the vnc session before logging off or else files get left behind preventing it starting next time vncserver -kill :1 6/ Starting vncserver as a service is preferable, because then it is tidied up properly when the server is shut down. service vncserver start You can use Mandrake Control Centre to do this if you wish. The file /etc/sysconfig/vncservers defines which servers are started. Edit the file /etc/init.d/vncserver if you want vncservice to start with parameters such as -geometry HTH derek -- -- www.jennings.homelinux.net Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Is it possible to have a system with no monitor?
On Tuesday 14 Jan 2003 7:03 pm, Derek Jennings wrote: SNIP 5/ Always close the vnc session before logging off or else files get left behind preventing it starting next time vncserver -kill :1 I meant to say always close the vncserver before powering down the server or else files get left behind preventing it starting next time -- -- www.jennings.homelinux.net Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Is it possible to have a system with no monitor?
On Monday 13 Jan 2003 12:05 am, Stephen Kuhn wrote: From memory iirc I installed VNC/servers and set passwords up. Read through all the blurb and changed the config line to include the KDE option and then a few other versions of that option including a link to the startx, but I couldn't get the KDE environment to be loaded. At best all I could get was a window with a blue background and a white background X console window up. I believe this is the default desktop setting VNC comes with. Right-clicking bought up a menu of some basic apps and a few did work but it was nothing like looking/using KDE within the window. Being very unfamiliar with fully using a console for everything this doesn't help me much. If I sit infront of KDE screen and use a VNC window to look at the Winblowz laptop running ME it appears fine and functions as if you were sitting infront of the laptop. Getting it to view another linux box using KDE is a different beast though and nothing achieved yet. You're most likely getting mwm or twm as the window manager - so you're going to have to double check all your configurations so that KDE is the default wm - for both the regular system AND for VNC. KDE is the default on all 6 machines. I never run any other wm here so I can't see why it won't use KDE when it's added to the VNC config file. If I follow the example config files as shown on the VNC site and in the readme file to the letter, VNC still defaults to twm. Are the settings in this config file copied to another part of the system on the first running of VNC and have subsequently been over-riding the config file after I have changed it, and if so, doesn't that defeat the object of having a config file? I made the changes to the file, saved it and even tried a complete power-down of the system but still end up with twm. -- magnet Registered Linux User: 281659 Registered machines: 163839,163840,163841,163842,163843,163844 6xAthlon 1.2GHz all running some flavour of Mandrake. My home is over-run with penguins that like a warm environment! Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Is it possible to have a system with no monitor?
On Sunday 12 Jan 2003 7:34 pm, Stephen Kuhn wrote: On Mon, 2003-01-13 at 00:28, magnet wrote: KVM switch - but then you have to buy the special cables, and they're not cheap - and the switch ain't cheap - but they're soo nice... I believe that Belkin have just brought out a range of kvm switches for home/small networks, much more affordable. Anne -- Registered Linux User No.293302 Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Is it possible to have a system with no monitor?
On Monday 13 Jan 2003 10:04 am, magnet wrote: On Monday 13 Jan 2003 12:05 am, Stephen Kuhn wrote: From memory iirc I installed VNC/servers and set passwords up. Read through all the blurb and changed the config line to include the KDE option and then a few other versions of that option including a link to the startx, but I couldn't get the KDE environment to be loaded. At best all I could get was a window with a blue background and a white background X console window up. I believe this is the default desktop setting VNC comes with. Right-clicking bought up a menu of some basic apps and a few did work but it was nothing like looking/using KDE within the window. Being very unfamiliar with fully using a console for everything this doesn't help me much. If I sit infront of KDE screen and use a VNC window to look at the Winblowz laptop running ME it appears fine and functions as if you were sitting infront of the laptop. Getting it to view another linux box using KDE is a different beast though and nothing achieved yet. You're most likely getting mwm or twm as the window manager - so you're going to have to double check all your configurations so that KDE is the default wm - for both the regular system AND for VNC. KDE is the default on all 6 machines. I never run any other wm here so I can't see why it won't use KDE when it's added to the VNC config file. If I follow the example config files as shown on the VNC site and in the readme file to the letter, VNC still defaults to twm. Are the settings in this config file copied to another part of the system on the first running of VNC and have subsequently been over-riding the config file after I have changed it, and if so, doesn't that defeat the object of having a config file? I made the changes to the file, saved it and even tried a complete power-down of the system but still end up with twm. I'm coming into this thread a bit late so apologies if this has already been suggested. VNC server will start the window manager declared in the ~/.vnc/xstartup of the user the vncserver was started from. (You are editing the correct xstartup file are you?) If the last line in the file is /usr/bin/startkde then KDE will be the desktop used. Works for me anyway. derek -- -- www.jennings.homelinux.net Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Is it possible to have a system with no monitor?
On Mon, 2003-01-13 at 21:04, magnet wrote: KDE is the default on all 6 machines. I never run any other wm here so I can't see why it won't use KDE when it's added to the VNC config file. If I follow the example config files as shown on the VNC site and in the readme file to the letter, VNC still defaults to twm. Are the settings in this config file copied to another part of the system on the first running of VNC and have subsequently been over-riding the config file after I have changed it, and if so, doesn't that defeat the object of having a config file? I made the changes to the file, saved it and even tried a complete power-down of the system but still end up with twm. Was digging around with VNC last night til 2a - still trying to figure out why mwm or twm would even WANT to be the VNC default wm - sent an email off to a mate at MCI/Worldcom that is a VNC guru - hoping to get something back from him this morning. What is the value of the file /etc/sysconfig/desktop on your system? NOT that it would matter to VNC, though - but I'm just curious. OH - another question - have you tried using VNC from a different computer as a different user other than yourself or root? -- Tue Jan 14 06:24:59 EST 2003 6:25am up 1 day, 8:11, 5 users, load average: 0.43, 0.49, 0.37 -- |____ | kuhn media australia| | / ,, /| |'-. | http://kma.0catch.com | | .\__/ || | | |=| | _ / `._ \|_|_.-' | stephen kuhn| | | / \__.`=._) (_ | email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] | | |/ ._/ || | email: [EMAIL PROTECTED]| | |'. `\ | | |icq: 5483808 | | ;/ / | | | | | smk ) /_/| |.---.| | mobile: 0410-728-389| | ' `-`' | Berkeley, New South Wales, AU | -- * linux user:267497 * RH 7.3+ * PC/Mac/Linux/Networking/Consulting -- In high school in Brooklyn I was the baseball manager, proud as I could be I chased baseballs, gathered thrown bats handed out the towels Eventually, I bought my own It was very important work but it was dark blue while for a small spastic kid,the official ones were green but I was a team member Nobody ever said anything When the team got to me about my blue jacket; their warm-up jackets the guys were my friends I didn't get oneYet it hurt me all year Only the regular team to wear that blue jacket got these jackets, and among all those green ones surely not a managerEven now, forty years after, I still recall that jacket and the memory goes on hurting. -- Bart Lanier Safford III, An Obscured Radiance Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Is it possible to have a system with no monitor?
On Mon, 2003-01-13 at 23:00, Derek Jennings wrote: I'm coming into this thread a bit late so apologies if this has already been suggested. VNC server will start the window manager declared in the ~/.vnc/xstartup of the user the vncserver was started from. (You are editing the correct xstartup file are you?) If the last line in the file is /usr/bin/startkde then KDE will be the desktop used. Works for me anyway. derek :) You da man here mate. I was bloody looking everywhere else BUT... -- Tue Jan 14 06:30:00 EST 2003 6:30am up 1 day, 8:16, 5 users, load average: 0.18, 0.29, 0.31 -- |____ | kuhn media australia| | / ,, /| |'-. | http://kma.0catch.com | | .\__/ || | | |=| | _ / `._ \|_|_.-' | stephen kuhn| | | / \__.`=._) (_ | email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] | | |/ ._/ || | email: [EMAIL PROTECTED]| | |'. `\ | | |icq: 5483808 | | ;/ / | | | | | smk ) /_/| |.---.| | mobile: 0410-728-389| | ' `-`' | Berkeley, New South Wales, AU | -- * linux user:267497 * RH 7.3+ * PC/Mac/Linux/Networking/Consulting -- People think love is an emotion. Love is good sense. -- Ken Kesey Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Is it possible to have a system with no monitor?
On Friday 10 Jan 2003 9:54 pm, Stephen Kuhn wrote: On Sat, 2003-01-11 at 04:00, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Is it possible to have mandrake running on a computer with no video card or monitor on it at all? And then admin the box via ssh,vnc or something else? Essentiall you're going to need at least SOME kind of video card in the box - to install it in the first place - even if it's a cheapo low end video card. BUT, the good news is that yes, it can be setup, then after you've gotten it where you like it - you can either use VNC or remote Xsession to use/administer the machine - just like what's done in the corporate world! I run linux 6 computers here and 2 of them refuse to reboot after a power outage due to faults on their harddrives generating a S.M.A.R.T error warning of impending doom and catastrophy soon to befall my system as the harddrive is about to die! :) OK, so its been spewing out these messages for the past year and they still run ok and don't contain any vital data anyway, but my point is this; I have to reconnect a monitor, keyboard and mouse at reboot time as the process requires the F1 key to be pressed to resume the booting process. Otherwise they will just sit there waiting for the key to be pressed in silence and obscurity and you cannot access these machines as technically they are not up and running any OS yet. Its a catch-22 situation as far as remote admin goes and the only solution is to either replace the drives or keep taking the back off the computer stacks and connecting the perepherals back on at boot time to each offending machine. I have tried so many times to get VNC running KDE here without any results so far and have had to resort to the above methods or use webmin for any admin work on the other machines from my main connected/gateway linux box. regards magnet Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Is it possible to have a system with no monitor?
On Mon, 2003-01-13 at 00:28, magnet wrote: I run linux 6 computers here and 2 of them refuse to reboot after a power outage due to faults on their harddrives generating a S.M.A.R.T error warning of impending doom and catastrophy soon to befall my system as the harddrive is about to die! :) OK, so its been spewing out these messages for the past year and they still run ok and don't contain any vital data anyway, but my point is this; I have to reconnect a monitor, keyboard and mouse at reboot time as the process requires the F1 key to be pressed to resume the booting process. Can't you just disable S.M.A.R.T. in the BIOS? And also, in BIOS, set it for DO NOT REPORT KEYBOARD ERRORS ? Otherwise they will just sit there waiting for the key to be pressed in silence and obscurity and you cannot access these machines as technically they are not up and running any OS yet. Its a catch-22 situation as far as remote admin goes and the only solution is to either replace the drives or keep taking the back off the computer stacks and connecting the perepherals back on at boot time to each offending machine. KVM switch - but then you have to buy the special cables, and they're not cheap - and the switch ain't cheap - but they're soo nice...(I used to have one setup at MCI where I could control 64 machines from one keyboard/mouse/monitor - was bloody sweet - AND confusing - had to depend on a map to figger out which was which - and each of the servers had a desktop wallpaper denoting their name - but still got confusing when the network went south) I have tried so many times to get VNC running KDE here without any results so far and have had to resort to the above methods or use webmin for any admin work on the other machines from my main connected/gateway linux box. Granted that Webmin is a beautiful, wonderful, all-in-one, useful, saintly blessing to linux administration - but what gives with the VNC stuff? Wassup that it ain't working? -- Mon Jan 13 06:25:01 EST 2003 6:25am up 8:11, 4 users, load average: 0.77, 0.37, 0.32 -- |____ | kuhn media australia| | / ,, /| |'-. | http://kma.0catch.com | | .\__/ || | | |=| | _ / `._ \|_|_.-' | stephen kuhn| | | / \__.`=._) (_ | email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] | | |/ ._/ || | email: [EMAIL PROTECTED]| | |'. `\ | | |icq: 5483808 | | ;/ / | | | | | smk ) /_/| |.---.| | mobile: 0410-728-389| | ' `-`' | Berkeley, New South Wales, AU | -- * linux user:267497 * RH 7.3+ * PC/Mac/Linux/Networking/Consulting -- Han Solo: I think my eyes are getting better. Instead of a big dark blur I see a big light blur. Luke Skywalker: There's nothing to see. I used to live here you know. Han Solo: You're gonna die here you know. Convenient. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Is it possible to have a system with no monitor?
On Sunday 12 Jan 2003 7:34 pm, Stephen Kuhn wrote: On Mon, 2003-01-13 at 00:28, magnet wrote: I run linux 6 computers here and 2 of them refuse to reboot after a power outage due to faults on their harddrives generating a S.M.A.R.T error warning of impending doom and catastrophy soon to befall my system as the harddrive is about to die! :) OK, so its been spewing out these messages for the past year and they still run ok and don't contain any vital data anyway, but my point is this; I have to reconnect a monitor, keyboard and mouse at reboot time as the process requires the F1 key to be pressed to resume the booting process. Can't you just disable S.M.A.R.T. in the BIOS? And also, in BIOS, set it for DO NOT REPORT KEYBOARD ERRORS ? This feature isn't available on this BIOS - Megatrend on a gigabyte mobo - so I can't see any way around the errors. Otherwise they will just sit there waiting for the key to be pressed in silence and obscurity and you cannot access these machines as technically they are not up and running any OS yet. Its a catch-22 situation as far as remote admin goes and the only solution is to either replace the drives or keep taking the back off the computer stacks and connecting the perepherals back on at boot time to each offending machine. KVM switch - but then you have to buy the special cables, and they're not cheap - and the switch ain't cheap - but they're soo nice...(I used to have one setup at MCI where I could control 64 machines from one keyboard/mouse/monitor - was bloody sweet - AND confusing - had to depend on a map to figger out which was which - and each of the servers had a desktop wallpaper denoting their name - but still got confusing when the network went south) I looked into the KVM option but as you say it isn't cheap, and 6 seems to be an odd number as most units I saw were for 4 machines and their price was too much, so buying 2 was even less desirable. A bit of a non-starter here as the cost couldn't be justified for the use the machines get here. I have tried so many times to get VNC running KDE here without any results so far and have had to resort to the above methods or use webmin for any admin work on the other machines from my main connected/gateway linux box. Granted that Webmin is a beautiful, wonderful, all-in-one, useful, saintly blessing to linux administration - but what gives with the VNC stuff? Wassup that it ain't working? From memory iirc I installed VNC/servers and set passwords up. Read through all the blurb and changed the config line to include the KDE option and then a few other versions of that option including a link to the startx, but I couldn't get the KDE environment to be loaded. At best all I could get was a window with a blue background and a white background X console window up. I believe this is the default desktop setting VNC comes with. Right-clicking bought up a menu of some basic apps and a few did work but it was nothing like looking/using KDE within the window. Being very unfamiliar with fully using a console for everything this doesn't help me much. If I sit infront of KDE screen and use a VNC window to look at the Winblowz laptop running ME it appears fine and functions as if you were sitting infront of the laptop. Getting it to view another linux box using KDE is a different beast though and nothing achieved yet. -- magnet Registered Linux User: 281659 Registered machines: 163839,163840,163841,163842,163843,163844 6xAthlon 1.2GHz all running some flavour of Mandrake. My home is over-run with penguins that like a warm environment! Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Is it possible to have a system with no monitor?
On Mon, 2003-01-13 at 10:12, magnet wrote: This feature isn't available on this BIOS - Megatrend on a gigabyte mobo - so I can't see any way around the errors. Well that really sucks - unable to disable SMART sucks... I looked into the KVM option but as you say it isn't cheap, and 6 seems to be an odd number as most units I saw were for 4 machines and their price was too much, so buying 2 was even less desirable. A bit of a non-starter here as the cost couldn't be justified for the use the machines get here. Yeah, they ain't cheap... From memory iirc I installed VNC/servers and set passwords up. Read through all the blurb and changed the config line to include the KDE option and then a few other versions of that option including a link to the startx, but I couldn't get the KDE environment to be loaded. At best all I could get was a window with a blue background and a white background X console window up. I believe this is the default desktop setting VNC comes with. Right-clicking bought up a menu of some basic apps and a few did work but it was nothing like looking/using KDE within the window. Being very unfamiliar with fully using a console for everything this doesn't help me much. If I sit infront of KDE screen and use a VNC window to look at the Winblowz laptop running ME it appears fine and functions as if you were sitting infront of the laptop. Getting it to view another linux box using KDE is a different beast though and nothing achieved yet. You're most likely getting mwm or twm as the window manager - so you're going to have to double check all your configurations so that KDE is the default wm - for both the regular system AND for VNC. -- Mon Jan 13 11:00:00 EST 2003 11:00am up 12:46, 5 users, load average: 0.68, 0.35, 0.27 -- |____ | kuhn media australia| | / ,, /| |'-. | http://kma.0catch.com | | .\__/ || | | |=| | _ / `._ \|_|_.-' | stephen kuhn| | | / \__.`=._) (_ | email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] | | |/ ._/ || | email: [EMAIL PROTECTED]| | |'. `\ | | |icq: 5483808 | | ;/ / | | | | | smk ) /_/| |.---.| | mobile: 0410-728-389| | ' `-`' | Berkeley, New South Wales, AU | -- * linux user:267497 * RH 7.3+ * PC/Mac/Linux/Networking/Consulting -- Virus due to computers having unsafe sex. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
[newbie] Is it possible to have a system with no monitor?
Is it possible to have mandrake running on a computer with no video card or monitor on it at all? And then admin the box via ssh,vnc or something else? Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Is it possible to have a system with no monitor?
On Fri, 10 Jan 2003 11:00:51 -0600 [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Is it possible to have mandrake running on a computer with no video card or monitor on it at all? And then admin the box via ssh,vnc or something else? Yes! Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Is it possible to have a system with no monitor?
Yes You will probably need monitor and keyboard for install and initial setup. You will have to set your bios to not stop on errors, in order to remove keyboard and monitor. ssh works great for admin. MtnMan On Friday 10 January 2003 12:00 pm, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Is it possible to have mandrake running on a computer with no video card or monitor on it at all? And then admin the box via ssh,vnc or something else? -- 1:41pm up 7 days, 19:15, 5 users, load average: 0.31, 0.12, 0.10 Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Is it possible to have a system with no monitor?
So I'll be able to remove the video card so long as I set up the bios to not stop on errors? On Friday 10 January 2003 12:45 pm, Daniel Anderson wrote: Yes You will probably need monitor and keyboard for install and initial setup. You will have to set your bios to not stop on errors, in order to remove keyboard and monitor. ssh works great for admin. MtnMan On Friday 10 January 2003 12:00 pm, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Is it possible to have mandrake running on a computer with no video card or monitor on it at all? And then admin the box via ssh,vnc or something else? Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Is it possible to have a system with no monitor?
Should be able to. Most bios support that. MtnMan On Friday 10 January 2003 01:49 pm, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So I'll be able to remove the video card so long as I set up the bios to not stop on errors? On Friday 10 January 2003 12:45 pm, Daniel Anderson wrote: Yes You will probably need monitor and keyboard for install and initial setup. You will have to set your bios to not stop on errors, in order to remove keyboard and monitor. ssh works great for admin. MtnMan On Friday 10 January 2003 12:00 pm, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Is it possible to have mandrake running on a computer with no video card or monitor on it at all? And then admin the box via ssh,vnc or something else? -- 1:56pm up 7 days, 19:30, 5 users, load average: 0.05, 0.09, 0.08 Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Is it possible to have a system with no monitor?
On Fri, 2003-01-10 at 12:04, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: But can I take out the video card? That depends on your motherboard, as most, if not all motherboards do a check to see if the video card is there, and if not, it wont even boot. -- Chuck Burns - Grand Bay, AL Man = Mars = 4th planet from Sun = 4 Woman = Venus = 2nd planet from Sun = 2 Man - Woman = -2 = Man divorce wife = less than he started with Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Is it possible to have a system with no monitor?
On Sat, 2003-01-11 at 04:00, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Is it possible to have mandrake running on a computer with no video card or monitor on it at all? And then admin the box via ssh,vnc or something else? Essentiall you're going to need at least SOME kind of video card in the box - to install it in the first place - even if it's a cheapo low end video card. BUT, the good news is that yes, it can be setup, then after you've gotten it where you like it - you can either use VNC or remote Xsession to use/administer the machine - just like what's done in the corporate world! -- Sat Jan 11 08:50:01 EST 2003 8:50am up 11:01, 3 users, load average: 0.18, 0.22, 0.21 -- |____ | kuhn media australia| | / ,, /| |'-. | http://kma.0catch.com | | .\__/ || | | |=| | _ / `._ \|_|_.-' | stephen kuhn| | | / \__.`=._) (_ | email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] | | |/ ._/ || | email: [EMAIL PROTECTED]| | |'. `\ | | |icq: 5483808 | | ;/ / | | | | | smk ) /_/| |.---.| | mobile: 0410-728-389| | ' `-`' | Berkeley, New South Wales, AU | -- * linux user:267497 * RH 7.3+ * PC/Mac/Linux/Networking/Consulting -- C'mon guys. Tonight we're gonna party like it's 1999...again. -Fry I'm gonna drink 'till I reboot. -Bender Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
