Re: [newbie] MS: It's the *users* fault
On Tuesday 11 May 2004 10:54 pm, Anders Lind wrote: On Wed, 12 May 2004 00:32:09 -0500 Carl J. Bauman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I guess I'm not clear on why anyone would have any political sigs, right, left, or middle wing, on an OS mailing list. Is Mandrake, or Linux in general, inherently political? I didn't realize I was making a political statement when I installed it on my hard drive. Is that stated some where on their website? Please, say it ain't so! ;-) Come join us at the OT-list LOL, seriously though I believe that some people see it as a political statement against big corporations in general and probably Microsoft in particular. just remember to bring asbestos underware :-D /Anders Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] MS: It's the *users* fault
Carl J. Bauman wrote: [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Mon, 10 May 2004 23:45:09 -0400 Todd Slater disseminated the following: If you had any guts, you'd post this to the expert list to see what Chris Fox has to say. Please avoid any political sigs; the right wingers seem to have taken control over there. -- cmg Wasn't it just a couple of people that had problems with the political sigs? ...the usual suspects ;-) I guess I'm not clear on why anyone would have any political sigs, right, left, or middle wing, on an OS mailing list. Is Mandrake, or Linux in general, inherently political? I didn't realize I was making a political statement when I installed it on my hard drive. Is that stated some where on their website? Please, say it ain't so! ;-) I don't think people choose their sigs according to their mailing lists. Some use the same sig for everything; others have a random sig. I'm sure there's some way of automating the sig according to the To: field, but I've never heard of anyone doing it. As a point of netiquette, I think it's usually a bad idea to comment on people's sigs in a list (especially if it's a hostile comment, which will then result in a twenty-message thread). Unless it's on the OT list, of course ;-) Sir Robin -- Doubt is not a pleasant condition, but certainty is absurd. - Voltaire Robin Turner IDMYO Bilkent Universitesi Ankara 06533 Turkey www.bilkent.edu.tr/~robin Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] MS: It's the *users* fault
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Mon, 10 May 2004 23:45:09 -0400 Todd Slater disseminated the following: If you had any guts, you'd post this to the expert list to see what Chris Fox has to say. Please avoid any political sigs; the right wingers seem to have taken control over there. -- cmg Wasn't it just a couple of people that had problems with the political sigs? ...the usual suspects ;-) I guess I'm not clear on why anyone would have any political sigs, right, left, or middle wing, on an OS mailing list. Is Mandrake, or Linux in general, inherently political? I didn't realize I was making a political statement when I installed it on my hard drive. Is that stated some where on their website? Please, say it ain't so! ;-) Carl Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] MS: It's the *users* fault
On Wed, 12 May 2004 00:32:09 -0500 Carl J. Bauman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I guess I'm not clear on why anyone would have any political sigs, right, left, or middle wing, on an OS mailing list. Is Mandrake, or Linux in general, inherently political? I didn't realize I was making a political statement when I installed it on my hard drive. Is that stated some where on their website? Please, say it ain't so! ;-) Come join us at the OT-list LOL, seriously though I believe that some people see it as a political statement against big corporations in general and probably Microsoft in particular. /Anders Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] MS: It's the *users* fault
On Monday 10 May 2004 07:31 pm, JoeHill wrote: 'It's your fault. Yeah you, Mr. or Ms. Corporate IT Person. Microsoft says it's your fault, and the fault of your users, that there are so many security problems with Microsoft software. Oh, sure, there are security holes in Microsoft products. But Microsoft does patch them -- eventually. And unless corporate IT does a better job of promptly applying those patches, as well as training users in safe computing practices -- well, there's only so much Microsoft can do. Yes, at Microsoft irony is dead. And so, apparently, is shame.' Link: http://www.computerworld.com/securitytopics/security/holes/story/0,10801,92 802,00.html Joe: Actually, he understates the true cost of MS negligence by not mentioning that the RestOfUs (Linuxers, Mac types, etc) have to suffer through all of the havoc caused by all of the the MS messes. If you had any guts, you'd post this to the expert list to see what Chris Fox has to say. Please avoid any political sigs; the right wingers seem to have taken control over there. -- cmg Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] MS: It's the *users* fault
On Mon, 10 May 2004 21:32:51 -0400 Carroll Grigsby disseminated the following: http://www.computerworld.com/securitytopics/security/holes/story/0,10801,92 802,00.html Joe: Actually, he understates the true cost of MS negligence by not mentioning that the RestOfUs (Linuxers, Mac types, etc) have to suffer through all of the havoc caused by all of the the MS messes. ya, it's real fun when it takes a minute and a half to send an e-mail because Windows XP Zombies are spewing crap all over the 'Net. If you had any guts, you'd post this to the expert list to see what Chris Fox has to say. Please avoid any political sigs; the right wingers seem to have taken control over there. Well, I'm kinda tryin' to avoid this stuff on Expert, we already lost Jack Coates to this shite, I seem to get into/cause less trouble here on Newbie. And as for Chris Fox, he can...well, use your imagination. Circular Logic and Avoiding Discussing the Real Issue, Honours Thesis, Professor Chris Fox. LOL! I think the RW'ers would have enjoyed -this- sig tho! -- JoeHill RLU #282046 / www.orderinchaos.org Kernel 2.4.22-21.tmb.1mdk Mandrake Linux release 9.2 (FiveStar) for i586 +++ 22:15:49 up 4 days, 8:42, 8 users, load average: 0.01, 0.01, 0.00 +++ The struggle between people and capital is now an epic struggle between life and death. -- Vandana Shiva, World Social Forum, January 16, 2004 Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] MS: It's the *users* fault
JoeHill wrote: 'It's your fault. Yeah you, Mr. or Ms. Corporate IT Person. Microsoft says it's your fault, and the fault of your users, that there are so many security problems with Microsoft software. Oh, sure, there are security holes in Microsoft products. But Microsoft does patch them -- eventually. And unless corporate IT does a better job of promptly applying those patches, as well as training users in safe computing practices -- well, there's only so much Microsoft can do. Yes, at Microsoft irony is dead. And so, apparently, is shame.' Link: http://www.computerworld.com/securitytopics/security/holes/story/0,10801,92802,00.html What made this even funnier was that there was only a 2 week period between the patch being released and when the exploit comming out.. That means that sysadmins had two weeks to ensure that the patch didn't break any functionality or compromise stability and roll it out onto all their machines, which often number in the thousands.. Considering MS's practise to release patches that break something.. they can hardly expect people to patch that quickly. I wrote about this on my blog a few days ago. http://htmlfixit.com/don_and_franki_news_blog_on_htmlfixit_dot_com/index.php?p=62 -- rgds Franki Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] MS: It's the *users* fault
On Mon, May 10, 2004 at 09:32:51PM -0400, Carroll Grigsby wrote: If you had any guts, you'd post this to the expert list to see what Chris Fox has to say. Please avoid any political sigs; the right wingers seem to have taken control over there. -- cmg Wasn't it just a couple of people that had problems with the political sigs? The rest of the group seemed to say hey, it's a sig for goodness sake! t Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
[newbie] MS: It's the *users* fault
'It's your fault. Yeah you, Mr. or Ms. Corporate IT Person. Microsoft says it's your fault, and the fault of your users, that there are so many security problems with Microsoft software. Oh, sure, there are security holes in Microsoft products. But Microsoft does patch them -- eventually. And unless corporate IT does a better job of promptly applying those patches, as well as training users in safe computing practices -- well, there's only so much Microsoft can do. Yes, at Microsoft irony is dead. And so, apparently, is shame.' Link: http://www.computerworld.com/securitytopics/security/holes/story/0,10801,92802,00.html -- JoeHill RLU #282046 / www.orderinchaos.org Kernel 2.4.22-21.tmb.1mdk Mandrake Linux release 9.2 (FiveStar) for i586 +++ 19:29:07 up 4 days, 5:56, 8 users, load average: 0.39, 0.18, 0.07 +++ Rule $19.99 (Brad `Squid' Shapcott): The Internet *isn't* *free*. It just has an economy that makes no sense to capitalism. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
