Re: [newbie] Primary and secondary IDE
- Original Message - From: Charlie [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, October 17, 2002 11:44 PM Subject: Re: [newbie] Primary and secondary IDE If it were mine I'd put the two CD drives on secondary IDE with CD-RW as master, and the hard drives on the primary as master and slave in whatever order you like. Depending whether you want to re-install your operating system of course. If not the 3.2 will have to stay as master on the primary IDE channel since most versions of Windows won't boot from anywhere else. I've heard that Laplink will clone your drive. If I understand this correctly I can clone my 3.2 gig HD to my new 30 gig HD and then make the 30 gig master and it should boot into Windows. Does this also clone Lilo and my MDK 7.0 partitions? If so it would be great but if it at least clones the Win partition that would be OK as I don't mind reinstalling MDK as I was going to upgrade to Ver 8.2 anyway. Any info would be appreciated. George Baker [EMAIL PROTECTED] Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Primary and secondary IDE
On October 24, 2002 01:02 pm, Charlie wrote: On Thursday 24 October 2002 12:27 pm, Tony Castro wrote: Norton Ghost would be able to clone your whole hard drive onto the bigger one. I use occasionally to image my hard drive and i've never had problems with it. snip That's correct Tony; it probably would do the job and cause no grief. But for a few minor sticking points: 1.) I'll never tell a user they need to buy proprietary software to accomplish a task that can be done for free using freely available existing tools. The reason is my own but simply put; I don't know whether the budget of the original poster has the flexibility to buy an utility that may only be used once, and not all demo versions of software will accomplish the task(s) required. 2.) Norton Ghost may be quality software; and work adequately well for most people, and give no grief, except it's _Windows software_ and I've seen Windows screw things up just because my face didn't display the correct expression. Or hadn't bowed to the southwest (from here anyway) and recite the Bill Gates is a God mantra three times. GNU/Linux will oops too at times, but that's usually a problem in the CTKI (chair to keyboard interface. *me* in other words) and doesn't usually commit suicide just because it's asked to work from a different address after it's been told the new address and has confirmed it knows the new address. DISCLAIMER: I don't use file sharing software but know some that do. I think it's bad form but that's just my opinion. 3.) If the answer to 1.) above is Are you kidding? I can download it free from KaZaa or edonkey and use it, I don't have to buy it!; I stop giving that individual any help with anything. Developers and programmers have to eat too. I don't think it's the right thing to do and will never advise it. Even as mildly distasteful as I find MS software and operating systems I try to help people that I know, but I won't help anyone that pirates a copy of anything. If they break it they're on their own and good luck to them. Just an opinion; and no I don't just run the download edition of Mandrake, Red Hat, SuSe (8.1 demo), whatever. I buy box sets when they're available and when I intend to continue using it after testing. That usually means every second release or more frequently. Very nicely put Charlie;))) Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Primary and secondary IDE
On Thursday 24 October 2002 12:27 pm, Tony Castro wrote: Norton Ghost would be able to clone your whole hard drive onto the bigger one. I use occasionally to image my hard drive and i've never had problems with it. snip That's correct Tony; it probably would do the job and cause no grief. But for a few minor sticking points: 1.) I'll never tell a user they need to buy proprietary software to accomplish a task that can be done for free using freely available existing tools. The reason is my own but simply put; I don't know whether the budget of the original poster has the flexibility to buy an utility that may only be used once, and not all demo versions of software will accomplish the task(s) required. 2.) Norton Ghost may be quality software; and work adequately well for most people, and give no grief, except it's _Windows software_ and I've seen Windows screw things up just because my face didn't display the correct expression. Or hadn't bowed to the southwest (from here anyway) and recite the Bill Gates is a God mantra three times. GNU/Linux will oops too at times, but that's usually a problem in the CTKI (chair to keyboard interface. *me* in other words) and doesn't usually commit suicide just because it's asked to work from a different address after it's been told the new address and has confirmed it knows the new address. DISCLAIMER: I don't use file sharing software but know some that do. I think it's bad form but that's just my opinion. 3.) If the answer to 1.) above is Are you kidding? I can download it free from KaZaa or edonkey and use it, I don't have to buy it!; I stop giving that individual any help with anything. Developers and programmers have to eat too. I don't think it's the right thing to do and will never advise it. Even as mildly distasteful as I find MS software and operating systems I try to help people that I know, but I won't help anyone that pirates a copy of anything. If they break it they're on their own and good luck to them. Just an opinion; and no I don't just run the download edition of Mandrake, Red Hat, SuSe (8.1 demo), whatever. I buy box sets when they're available and when I intend to continue using it after testing. That usually means every second release or more frequently. -- Charlie Edmonton,AB,Canada Registered user 244963 at http://counter.li.org The Golden Rule of Arts and Sciences: He who has the gold makes the rules. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Primary and secondary IDE
Norton Ghost would be able to clone your whole hard drive onto the bigger one. I use occasionally to image my hard drive and i've never had problems with it. --- Charlie [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Wednesday 23 October 2002 07:24 am, George Baker wrote: - Original Message - From: Charlie [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, October 17, 2002 11:44 PM Subject: Re: [newbie] Primary and secondary IDE If it were mine I'd put the two CD drives on secondary IDE with CD-RW as master, and the hard drives on the primary as master and slave in whatever order you like. Depending whether you want to re-install your operating system of course. If not the 3.2 will have to stay as master on the primary IDE channel since most versions of Windows won't boot from anywhere else. I've heard that Laplink will clone your drive. If I understand this correctly I can clone my 3.2 gig HD to my new 30 gig HD and then make the 30 gig master and it should boot into Windows. Does this also clone Lilo and my MDK 7.0 partitions? If so it would be great but if it at least clones the Win partition that would be OK as I don't mind reinstalling MDK as I was going to upgrade to Ver 8.2 anyway. Any info would be appreciated. George Baker [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hi George; If you're going to reinstall Linux anyway you may be better served by installing the new hard drive and partitioning it with diskdrake (or whatever) being sure you preserve the first partition for Windows, then moving or copying any personal data you want to keep to a partition in that drive. Then wipe and reinstall the operating systems as you like after switching that drive to master on the primary IDE channel. I personally don't trust any software to move data or clone a drive, especially Windows software. I've seen too many people bitten that way. Having said that; the easiest and most reliable way I've seen to clone a Windows system to a new drive is run from DOS, not Windows. Make your partitions on the new drive, leaving room for Mandrake to work of course; then at the prompt in DOS using the tree command: XCOPY C:\ D:\/h/i/c/k/e/r/y/s There's a space between XCOPY and C:\; a space between C:\ and D:\ but NO spaces anywhere else. (the \/ looks as though it's a V but it is actually a backslash and a forward slash next to each other.) This process _must run in DOS_ not a DOS prompt. You know, from the command line. Then from your Windows bootdisk do fdisk and make the new drive active. It should act and appear the way the old one did, just a lot BIGGER. It's been a long time since I touched this kind of process; and my memory isn't what I would deem totally reliable. The syntax may be out of whack. :-) Or I am. But you should be able to preserve all of the files in any directory including the properties thereto (hidden, system, etc) and then be able to do a fresh Windows install on the new drive after appropriate selector switching (master IDE0) and use them to restore your configuration as it is now. I found this link that may help you with your 'cloning' questions and I (vaguely) recalled some of the information from (almost) three years ago; the last time I owned a machine running Windows anything. http://www.valink.com/jeep/harddrives.htm The tree command is on the site! Amazing, I'm not the only one to do it that way in the past apparently. http://www.valink.com/jeep/Harddrives/H-I-C-K-E-R-Y-S.htm Best of luck and I hope some of this stuff helps you. -- Charlie Edmonton,AB,Canada Registered user 244963 at http://counter.li.org I would have you imagine, then, that there exists in the mind of man a block of wax... and that we remember and know what is imprinted as long as the image lasts; but when the image is effaced, or cannot be taken, then we forget or do not know. -- Plato, Dialogs, Theateus 191 [Quoted in VMS Internals and Data Structures, V4.4, when referring to image activation and termination.] Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com __ Do you Yahoo!? Y! Web Hosting - Let the expert host your web site http://webhosting.yahoo.com/ Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
