Re: [newbie] Re: CENSORSHIP: 1984-reduced.......? Now OT
On Tuesday 16 Jul 2002 10:34 pm, you wrote: > July 16, 2002 12:51 pm, Anne Wilson wrote: > > > > My 2p worth - > > > > I was in China last October - well after the dates in the article. We > > found the Chinese people talking much more freely than we expected about > > past and present difficulties. One guide (remember, paid by the state) > > told us that the government still only allowed foreign news channels into > > the 4* hotels, for tourists, and that they could not be received by > > locals. He went on to say that he expected that too to give way in the > > not too distant future. He confidently talked of a large proportion of > > the city dwellers having access to the internet, and said that it was > > expected that even the government would have to admit defeat on that > > score. > > > > The impression we got was that change was still painful to the > > government, who wanted it in theory but were still afraid of it, and that > > many of the people, the more educated at least, had confidence in the > > country to change at a pace that was right for them, even if they > > sometimes felt impatient. > > > > Anne > > ~~ > The biggest problem facing any repressive government is the fact > that the human race doesn't 'tame' worth a damn. The Chinese government > (and a few others) is eventually going to have to awaken to that, and stop > trying to run their countries as though they were a "collective of > emperors." All rights and privileges for party members, and the back of the > hand to the peasants. They get only what they are given by the magnanimous > all knowing rulers. They seem to all be dinosaurs, with no clue yet that > their philosophies are never going to work no matter how they're applied. > > > If they don't believe it perhaps they should ask the Russians. > > On the same subject; I read this morning (at The Reg I believe) that Yahoo! > caved in to the censorship demands of the Beijing government. > > They'll cave in to anyone, won't they? I can believe that. It goes hand-in-hand with capitalism, I guess. However, I have a strong belief that organisations are much easier to control than individuals, and that makes me optimistic. Views we heard from individuals in China make me feel that freedom of speech and thought cannot be entirely stifled. You may have to remain silent to stay out of trouble, but the thoughts have still been there. The people I'm thinking of were not foreign educated, but still had a good grasp of wider issues. China is very different from Russia. There is a vigour and drive in the people that is very interesting indeed. Anne Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Re: CENSORSHIP: 1984-reduced.......? Now OT
On Saturday 13 Jul 2002 2:26 pm, you wrote: > Hello folks, > Another one of his rants. :-) > THIS is important. > THIS might be about the last chance for us all - NOT just the Chinese, but > Americans and Australians and everybody else! > Please - get into it.. > http://www.peek-a-booty.org My 2p worth - I was in China last October - well after the dates in the article. We found the Chinese people talking much more freely than we expected about past and present difficulties. One guide (remember, paid by the state) told us that the government still only allowed foreign news channels into the 4* hotels, for tourists, and that they could not be received by locals. He went on to say that he expected that too to give way in the not too distant future. He confidently talked of a large proportion of the city dwellers having access to the internet, and said that it was expected that even the government would have to admit defeat on that score. The impression we got was that change was still painful to the government, who wanted it in theory but were still afraid of it, and that many of the people, the more educated at least, had confidence in the country to change at a pace that was right for them, even if they sometimes felt impatient. Anne Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Re: CENSORSHIP: 1984-reduced.......? Now OT
July 16, 2002 12:51 pm, Anne Wilson wrote: > My 2p worth - > > I was in China last October - well after the dates in the article. We > found the Chinese people talking much more freely than we expected about > past and present difficulties. One guide (remember, paid by the state) > told us that the government still only allowed foreign news channels into > the 4* hotels, for tourists, and that they could not be received by locals. > He went on to say that he expected that too to give way in the not too > distant future. He confidently talked of a large proportion of the city > dwellers having access to the internet, and said that it was expected that > even the government would have to admit defeat on that score. > > The impression we got was that change was still painful to the government, > who wanted it in theory but were still afraid of it, and that many of the > people, the more educated at least, had confidence in the country to change > at a pace that was right for them, even if they sometimes felt impatient. > > Anne ~~ The biggest problem facing any repressive government is the fact that the human race doesn't 'tame' worth a damn. The Chinese government (and a few others) is eventually going to have to awaken to that, and stop trying to run their countries as though they were a "collective of emperors." All rights and privileges for party members, and the back of the hand to the peasants. They get only what they are given by the magnanimous all knowing rulers. They seem to all be dinosaurs, with no clue yet that their philosophies are never going to work no matter how they're applied. If they don't believe it perhaps they should ask the Russians. On the same subject; I read this morning (at The Reg I believe) that Yahoo! caved in to the censorship demands of the Beijing government. They'll cave in to anyone, won't they? -- Charlie Edmonton,AB,Canada Registered user 244963 at http://counter.li.org Honi soit qui mal y pense. [Evil to him who evil thinks.] -- Motto of the Order of the Garter (est. Edward III) Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Re: CENSORSHIP: 1984-reduced.......?
On Mon, 15 Jul 2002 08:59:53 -0700, shane <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- > Hash: SHA1 > > On Monday 15 July 2002 04:07 am, robin did speak unto the huddled masses, > saying: > > > > http://www.peek-a-booty.org > > > > Off-topic (so you should have marked it "OT", naughty, naughty John!) > > is it just me, or is this a windows only product posted to a linux list? A GNU/Linux port is in the works. Hacktivismo (the developers of Peek-a-Booty) have said that they prefer GNU/Linux and that they love the GPL. The reason for the Windows version being out first is simply that there are far more Windows users out there. Peek-a-Booty uses P2P technology, so it is important that there be many nodes. I hear that the code is cross-platform, but is more optimised for GNU/Linux. -- Sridhar Dhanapalan "HTML needs a rant tag." -- Eric S. Raymond Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Re: CENSORSHIP: 1984-reduced.......?
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Monday 15 July 2002 09:13 am, Sridhar Dhanapalan did speak unto the huddled masses, saying: > A GNU/Linux port is in the works. Hacktivismo (the developers of ah well, i hope i recall them later then. good project? sounds like it, but i ain't installing windows for it. ...nothing is that good. death before dishonor. ;) - -- "After you install Windows XP, you have the option to create user accounts. If you create user accounts, by default, they will have an account type of Administrator with no password." -- Microsoft KnowledgeBase article Q293834 shane Profile at: http://dmoz.org/profiles/shen.html Proud to be a DMOZ editor since 10-98 Mandrake Users Club Member http://www.linux-mandrake.com/en/club/ Registered linux user #101606 @ http://counter.li.org/ -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iD8DBQE9MvwWBwq+ZwvIN/oRAv0zAJ0QUY1gexCaSwiMEuZOuuOiz9XKkACfal2k FoYT4LzvRoGmRkJhnsx4rto= =TCMY -END PGP SIGNATURE- Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Re: CENSORSHIP: 1984-reduced.......?
On Mon, 15 Jul 2002 08:59:53 -0700 shane <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- > Hash: SHA1 > > On Monday 15 July 2002 04:07 am, robin did speak unto the huddled > masses, saying: > > > > http://www.peek-a-booty.org > > > > Off-topic (so you should have marked it "OT", naughty, naughty > > John!) > > is it just me, or is this a windows only product posted to a linux > list? > It is for win and linux. You have to dl the src to build on linux. Unfortunately whomever wrote it created a host of syntax errors in the makefile so it will not build. Charles -- If a thing's worth having, it's worth cheating for. -- W.C. Fields -- Charles A Edwards [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Re: CENSORSHIP: 1984-reduced.......?
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Monday 15 July 2002 04:07 am, robin did speak unto the huddled masses, saying: > > http://www.peek-a-booty.org > > Off-topic (so you should have marked it "OT", naughty, naughty John!) is it just me, or is this a windows only product posted to a linux list? - -- Linux, cause i reboot less often than windows users reinstall. shane Profile at: http://dmoz.org/profiles/shen.html Proud to be a DMOZ editor since 10-98 Mandrake Users Club Member http://www.linux-mandrake.com/en/club/ Registered linux user #101606 @ http://counter.li.org/ -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iD8DBQE9MvGGBwq+ZwvIN/oRAuuTAJ0ebfBAGQ9jMRGkjYZCRlIXouzkuwCeNUWv oDzqtBvB0K+dQ/Hu721tAOU= =LOPP -END PGP SIGNATURE- Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Re: CENSORSHIP: 1984-reduced.......?
John Rigby wrote: > > Hello folks, > Another one of his rants. :-) > THIS is important. > THIS might be about the last chance for us all - NOT just the Chinese, > but Americans and Australians and everybody else! > Please - get into it.. > http://www.peek-a-booty.org > > The Anti-Censorship League Founder, Chairman, and maybe only member > out there who really cares and is getting scared... > Himagain > > > Off-topic (so you should have marked it "OT", naughty, naughty John!) but an interesting project. Kind of thing I'd support if my C++ went beyond "Hello World". -- "We're clouds over the sea, or flecks of matter in the ocean when the ocean seems lit from within. I know I'm drunk when I start this ocean talk." - Rumi Robin Turner IDMYO Bilkent Üniversitesi Ankara 06533 http://www.bilkent.edu.tr/~robin Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
