Re: [newbie] Why use linux at all? - not heresy, just want astraight answer please+a laff

2000-12-31 Thread Michael R. Batchelor


Well, I've seen a lot of "because the other guy is bad" stuff. And I've
seen a lot of "I want my computer more stable" stuff. But neither of
those really address the reasons I've been fooling with Linux for years.
And none of my reasons may be meaningful to you. The context in which I
run Linux is really a bit different than an average home user.

The reason I run Linux, in addition to, not as an alternative to,
Windows (pick your flavor) is I want the toolkit that grew up in the
Unix world. I had been a Unix system administrator for years before I
got stuck with my first Windows 3.0 box to take care of. That first
Windows experience I found frustrating because of the very limited
tools, so I would dump the ini files to an SCO box to actually work on
them.

Linux, Windows, Novell, the various BSD packages and the commercial
Unix's have come a long way since then. But I still find the toolkit
that's standard in the Unix world to be superior to the toolkits that
cost money in the other worlds. It's basically a simple math problem.
The tools are better (for what I need, maybe not for what you need) and
the price is almost free. (OK, It's free, but for Heaven's sake buy at
least one CD from some poor sucker trying to make a living at this.)

Can I dump Windows. No, I'd go out of business. I'm sitting here at an
NT 4.0 box writing this in Outlook Express because I've been working on
something for a customer this morning. When I hit the send button this
NT box will find the outbound SMTP server using a DNS server on a RedHat
box, and drop the mail into the queue on a FreeBSD box at the ISP office
by routing through another RedHat box running pmfirewall to set up the
ipchains. Our NIS domain in handled by a Sparc running OpenBSD, and the
home directory and printers are handled by a Mandrake 7.0 and a Mandrake
7.1 box. The inbound mail is handled by another Mandrake box, and when
my mailbox gets out of hand I drop back into a shell and use procmail to
move everything around. If I'm on the road I still read my mail with elm
(oh goodness, this guy must be *OLD*). My own personal workstation is a
dual boot between NT 4.0 and RedHat 7, and the workbench machine behind
me is a dual boot between W98 and Mandrake 7.2. All of the other
desktops in the office are some flavor of Windows.

So, why do we use Linux? Because it fills a niche, and does it well.

Michael





RE: [newbie] Why use linux at all? - not heresy, just want astraight answer please+a laff

2000-12-29 Thread David and Alicia

Thanks for your reply: heres the laff i promised:

I'm still dowloading the install files, (and started it last night..i
now have 33%!!!), ho-hum, just as well we have free internet.

David and Alicia

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Subject: Re: [newbie] Why use linux at all? - not heresy, just want
astraight answer please


well, i run linux because winblows is for sheep.  if you don't understand
your computer and just want to do things (and most home users are of that
nature) then use windows.  it is perfect for that (i mean that seriously,
not being sarcastic like the first sentance).  but i understand computers
somewhat, and i enjoy playing with them, and i love spending 4 hours trying
to fix something  getting it to work and learning something in the process.
i have spent easily 10 hours or more at my computer without eating or taking
a break to fix things  experiment.  i get a rush out of that stuff.  thus i
use linux.  but i am not normal.  normal people don't enjoy 10 hours of
frustrating agoney.   =)

which is not to say that linux is  in my opinion  frustrating.  i
installed 7.0 knowing nothing about linux, and it worked great.  i was able
to start doing things right off the bat.  someone on this list once said
that linux is like an adventure game.  i have found that to be true.  if you
just want to do things, install it, use KDE and you are home.  =)  i bet you
will go months without any problem.  but if you want to explore and try new
things, linux is deep and configurable and amazing that you will never run
out of challenges.

as to running on lesser machines  you simply have to get a distro made for
the machine you want to put it on, or build your own kernal.  i have a 486 i
would like to put linux on one day.

is linux "lighter" using Xwindows?  well  i think it depends on the
window manager you use.  i find KDE is slow, but effective  intuitive.  i
use KDE as root.  as user i run Enlightenment as i like the eye candy, so i
don't think it's the fastest around.  other WMs are probably much faster.
and besides, you can do so much from the command line (burn a CD, play a
sound file, file management) depending on what you are doing you may not
need Xwindows.

all this rambling is just my opinion,
but you asked=)
have a good one.



Adrian Smith
'de telepone dude
Telecom Dept.
x 7042
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 "David and Alicia" [EMAIL PROTECTED] 3:41:16 AM
12/29/00 
ok, here is the real question: why do people try running linux?, the
impression i had gathered was that it was a lighter os and could be used on
older machines, (i386 etc). I was a little dismayed when i saw the download
size. How much disk space will a bare install need?

David and Alicia

Would mandrake run on a p60, 540 mb hd, ?

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Define "faster than windows".  Using KDE I've noticed there is quite
often a noticable delay waiting for windows to appear - far longer than
in windows.


Herman Christiani wrote:
 Hi,
 Yes, you can and it will run faster then windows,
 but you forgot to mention the amount of ram?
 Linux likes it's ram, the more the better.
 On Fri, 29 Dec 2000, you wrote:
  Dear all,
  Can i install mandrake on my (shame) p200mmx 3.3gig machine?
  will it run apps faster than windoze bloatware?
  David and Alicia



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