Re: Re: [newbie] linux for sony ps2?
I remember the Neo-Geo. The main reason it didn't catch on was because it was hideously expensive. If I remember correctly it cost almost $1000 when it first came out and games were around $150-200 each. One very important thing to consider in speculation over the success or failure of the X-Box is that it will be very easy to port PC (Windows) games to the X-box and vice-versa. This will certianly be very appealing to game companies. Personally, I hope Sony lowers the cost of the PS/2 to compete with the X-box. I need to get a new DVD player soon and if I can get a PS/2 for a reasonable price I might get one instead. -Original Message- From: Sridhar Dhanapalan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Tim Holmes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Date: Tue, 2 Oct 2001 01:26:25 +1000 Subject: Re: [newbie] linux for sony ps2? M$ are trying to enter console the market with brute force -- by selling a machine which they can flog as being more powerful than the PS2. In reality, it isn't as powerful as MS say it is (since it isn't as optimised for gaming as the PS2), but people will _believe_ it is much more powerful because it has a 833MHz CPU in comparison to Sony's 300MHz chip. What really matters is the quality of games that are released. The market has been littered over time with instances of technically 'inferior' products winning-out over 'superior' ones. The console market is a prime example of this. Anybody remember the Neo-Geo or the 3DO? They were 32-bit machines which were released years before Sega, Nintendo and Sony brought out their offerings, yet they never caught on. The Sega MegaDrive ('Genisis' in the USA) and the Sony PlayStation became more popular than their Nintendo counterparts ('SuperNES'/'Super Famicon' and Nintendo 64, respectively), despite being less powerful. Sony, it should be noted, isn't exactly an underdog here. They are also a massive company, and they have made content deals with AOL Time Warner for the PS2. They _specialise_ in the entertainment and home electronics industries, and they already have a very strong development and consumer base (being a Japanese company really helps here). They have had a huge head-start over M$, and they are actively developing the PS3 for release in 2002 (so they have a backup in the unlikely event that the XBox cleans up). M$ will find _some_ success, but I seriously doubt whether they'll beat the PS2. With their high manufacturing costs (I believe they're selling XBoxes at half cost-price) and marketing costs (around $US500 million this year), I also doubt whether they'll actually manage to make a profit out of this. However, I'm sure that they've considered this factor (Bill's not stupid), and they have some $US30 billion in the bank to fall back on should they need it (and they will). IMHO, the _real_ competition will occur with the next generation of consoles. Both the PS3 (http://www.theregister.co.uk/content/archive/16254.html) and the XBox2 (http://www.theregister.co.uk/content/54/21536.html) aim to be true home entertainment devices, and not simply games machines with a few extras bolted on. On Mon, 1 Oct 2001 10:20:10 -0400, Tim Holmes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I agree, I'm very anti-Micro$HAFT, and I'm very particular about my gaming. > I've been a pretty hardcore console gamer for some years now. I have an > embarassing amount of video games, and video game equipment. > > I used to a very loyal Nintendo fan, then they just pissed me off, and a lot > of other people too. SONY came out, and it took me a while to break down > and purchased a second hand PlayStation. And that right there changed the > facing of my gaming. > > Since then I've learned to branch out into other platforms, and playing > different types of games. But there's nothing about the XBox that I feel > the need to even go after. The anti-Micro$HAFT issue being put aside, I > don't see it having a chance of any sort of longevity, and I'll be damned if > I'm going to spend $300 for a system that's going to last a year before it's > basically pushed out of the market. > > It's not getting the support it needs to thrive, outside of the U.S. > Somebody already mentioned it, but the U.S. is much more inclined towards > computer games. If they change it to a computer in your living room, and > you can install computer games on it, it may do well here, but it's not > going to have a life outside of the U.S. > > Now, going back to the anti-Micro$HAFT issue of mine, I refuse to give them > another dime of my $$$. Let alone $300, or up to $700 for a bundled system. > > Rumor has it, the XBox actually crashed at a trade show somewhere. > tdh -- Sridhar Dhanapalan The dark ages were caused by the Y1K problem. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] linux for sony ps2?
M$ are trying to enter console the market with brute force -- by selling a machine which they can flog as being more powerful than the PS2. In reality, it isn't as powerful as MS say it is (since it isn't as optimised for gaming as the PS2), but people will _believe_ it is much more powerful because it has a 833MHz CPU in comparison to Sony's 300MHz chip. What really matters is the quality of games that are released. The market has been littered over time with instances of technically 'inferior' products winning-out over 'superior' ones. The console market is a prime example of this. Anybody remember the Neo-Geo or the 3DO? They were 32-bit machines which were released years before Sega, Nintendo and Sony brought out their offerings, yet they never caught on. The Sega MegaDrive ('Genisis' in the USA) and the Sony PlayStation became more popular than their Nintendo counterparts ('SuperNES'/'Super Famicon' and Nintendo 64, respectively), despite being less powerful. Sony, it should be noted, isn't exactly an underdog here. They are also a massive company, and they have made content deals with AOL Time Warner for the PS2. They _specialise_ in the entertainment and home electronics industries, and they already have a very strong development and consumer base (being a Japanese company really helps here). They have had a huge head-start over M$, and they are actively developing the PS3 for release in 2002 (so they have a backup in the unlikely event that the XBox cleans up). M$ will find _some_ success, but I seriously doubt whether they'll beat the PS2. With their high manufacturing costs (I believe they're selling XBoxes at half cost-price) and marketing costs (around $US500 million this year), I also doubt whether they'll actually manage to make a profit out of this. However, I'm sure that they've considered this factor (Bill's not stupid), and they have some $US30 billion in the bank to fall back on should they need it (and they will). IMHO, the _real_ competition will occur with the next generation of consoles. Both the PS3 (http://www.theregister.co.uk/content/archive/16254.html) and the XBox2 (http://www.theregister.co.uk/content/54/21536.html) aim to be true home entertainment devices, and not simply games machines with a few extras bolted on. On Mon, 1 Oct 2001 10:20:10 -0400, Tim Holmes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I agree, I'm very anti-Micro$HAFT, and I'm very particular about my gaming. > I've been a pretty hardcore console gamer for some years now. I have an > embarassing amount of video games, and video game equipment. > > I used to a very loyal Nintendo fan, then they just pissed me off, and a lot > of other people too. SONY came out, and it took me a while to break down > and purchased a second hand PlayStation. And that right there changed the > facing of my gaming. > > Since then I've learned to branch out into other platforms, and playing > different types of games. But there's nothing about the XBox that I feel > the need to even go after. The anti-Micro$HAFT issue being put aside, I > don't see it having a chance of any sort of longevity, and I'll be damned if > I'm going to spend $300 for a system that's going to last a year before it's > basically pushed out of the market. > > It's not getting the support it needs to thrive, outside of the U.S. > Somebody already mentioned it, but the U.S. is much more inclined towards > computer games. If they change it to a computer in your living room, and > you can install computer games on it, it may do well here, but it's not > going to have a life outside of the U.S. > > Now, going back to the anti-Micro$HAFT issue of mine, I refuse to give them > another dime of my $$$. Let alone $300, or up to $700 for a bundled system. > > Rumor has it, the XBox actually crashed at a trade show somewhere. > tdh -- Sridhar Dhanapalan The dark ages were caused by the Y1K problem. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] linux for sony ps2?
> Sridhar Dhanapalan wrote: > > > > On Fri, 28 Sep 2001 06:59:05 -0400, Tim Holmes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > The PS2, actually has three CPUs, but they're not "clustered." They handle > > > different things.. LOL. I couldn't help being reminded... doesn't that sound like how the original games machine, the Amiga used to work 17 years ago :)) regards magnet Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
RE: [newbie] linux for sony ps2?
Nope, PS2 CPU isn't really even close to it,, the PS does one thing really well, Graphics and sound, as in games... mostly because the whole thing is optimised for just that.. To give you an indication, the Xbox when it comes out, is supposed to be the most powerful gaming console ever released.. and its nothing but a PIII 800 and a geoforce3, which is along way from the top compared to 1.4gig athlons and P-IV 2000 Note that the video of the Xbox is slightly better then a PC geoforce3 (so I read) the focus is more on the video then the CPU, all the CPU has to do, is be fast enough to feed the video (simplisticly speaking) As for the P2 OS, is there anyway you can back it up?? if you can do that, whats the problem with trying??? Perhaps sony sell PS II os on CD?? its worth checking out.. rgds Frank -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Mohammed Arafa Sent: Thursday, 27 September 2001 3:41 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [newbie] linux for sony ps2? cool thanks i am using this info to prove a case to a friend of mine, who was asking about the ps2, since it seems so awesome. got a q tho that he asked, is the cpu on the ps 2 more powerful than that on the pc? coz his first question was if it actually costs cheaper (minus monitor and printer etc) why dont they put an os on it and i told him yes there is linux on ps2 i think the next step would be to give him the links and let him d/l it and install it (if he is so inclined .. i m not touching it and destroying the ps2 os ;) - Original Message - From: "Robert MacLean" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Wednesday, September 26, 2001 5:51 PM Subject: Re: [newbie] linux for sony ps2? > try this > it's in Japanese (sorry if I spelt that wrong) but there is a link to > translate it to English > http://www.jp.playstation.com/linux/ > > > Robert MacLean > . > > - Original Message - > From: "shane" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Sent: Wednesday, September 26, 2001 4:57 PM > Subject: Re: [newbie] linux for sony ps2? > > > > well you can start here > http://news.zdnet.co.uk/story/0,,s2085867,00.html > > > > but it doesn't look promising. > > > > On Wednesday 26 September 2001 02:37, you spoke unto me thusly: > > > just wondering but is there a mandrake version or any linux > version for the > > > ps2? > > > if yes.. where can i d/l it? > > > and will i still be able to play the ps2 games? > > > > -- > > "Psychic Convention. If you belong there, you will KNOW when and > where." > > > > shane > > http://www.mystic-light.net/personal/ > > Proud to be a DMOZ editor since 10-98 > > http://dmoz.org cause humans do it better! > > Link different. > > Profile at: http://dmoz.org/profiles/shen.html > > > > > > > > > > > -- > -- > > > > Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? > > Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com > > > > > > Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? > Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com > _ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] linux for sony ps2?
That's a relative question. The PS2's CPU is powerful, very powerful. And compare to a 286 it's really fast, but compared to a 1.5G Athlon it's slowwer. I think it's equal to a 900Mhz P3 or something like that. The thing about the PS2's CPU is it is optimized for the hardware that the PS2 uses and for graphic and sound intensive applications, which most "normal" processors aren't. AMD has 3dNow and Intel has SSE for graphics but they are also designed to do other things. Where as the PS2's one is focussed on graphics and sound. Don't get me wrong, the PS2 CPU can do other things like any normal processor but it excels at those 2 fields where "normal" processors are more balanced. Robert MacLean - Original Message - From: "Mohammed Arafa" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Thursday, September 27, 2001 9:40 AM Subject: Re: [newbie] linux for sony ps2? > cool thanks > i am using this info to prove a case to a friend of mine, who was asking > about the ps2, since it seems so awesome. > > got a q tho that he asked, is the cpu on the ps 2 more powerful than that on > the pc? > > coz his first question was if it actually costs cheaper (minus monitor and > printer etc) why dont they put an os on it and i told him yes there is linux > on ps2 > > i think the next step would be to give him the links and let him d/l it and > install it (if he is so inclined .. i m not touching it and destroying the > ps2 os ;) > > - Original Message - > From: "Robert MacLean" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Sent: Wednesday, September 26, 2001 5:51 PM > Subject: Re: [newbie] linux for sony ps2? > > > > try this > > it's in Japanese (sorry if I spelt that wrong) but there is a link to > > translate it to English > > http://www.jp.playstation.com/linux/ > > > > ________________ > > Robert MacLean > > . > > > > - Original Message - > > From: "shane" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > Sent: Wednesday, September 26, 2001 4:57 PM > > Subject: Re: [newbie] linux for sony ps2? > > > > > > > well you can start here > > http://news.zdnet.co.uk/story/0,,s2085867,00.html > > > > > > but it doesn't look promising. > > > > > > On Wednesday 26 September 2001 02:37, you spoke unto me thusly: > > > > just wondering but is there a mandrake version or any linux > > version for the > > > > ps2? > > > > if yes.. where can i d/l it? > > > > and will i still be able to play the ps2 games? > > > > > > -- > > > "Psychic Convention. If you belong there, you will KNOW when and > > where." > > > > > > shane > > > http://www.mystic-light.net/personal/ > > > Proud to be a DMOZ editor since 10-98 > > > http://dmoz.org cause humans do it better! > > > Link different. > > > Profile at: http://dmoz.org/profiles/shen.html > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > -- > > > > > > > Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? > > > Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? > > Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com > > > > > _ > Do You Yahoo!? > Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com > > > -- -- > Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? > Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com > Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] linux for sony ps2?
cool thanks i am using this info to prove a case to a friend of mine, who was asking about the ps2, since it seems so awesome. got a q tho that he asked, is the cpu on the ps 2 more powerful than that on the pc? coz his first question was if it actually costs cheaper (minus monitor and printer etc) why dont they put an os on it and i told him yes there is linux on ps2 i think the next step would be to give him the links and let him d/l it and install it (if he is so inclined .. i m not touching it and destroying the ps2 os ;) - Original Message - From: "Robert MacLean" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Wednesday, September 26, 2001 5:51 PM Subject: Re: [newbie] linux for sony ps2? > try this > it's in Japanese (sorry if I spelt that wrong) but there is a link to > translate it to English > http://www.jp.playstation.com/linux/ > > > Robert MacLean > . > > - Original Message - > From: "shane" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Sent: Wednesday, September 26, 2001 4:57 PM > Subject: Re: [newbie] linux for sony ps2? > > > > well you can start here > http://news.zdnet.co.uk/story/0,,s2085867,00.html > > > > but it doesn't look promising. > > > > On Wednesday 26 September 2001 02:37, you spoke unto me thusly: > > > just wondering but is there a mandrake version or any linux > version for the > > > ps2? > > > if yes.. where can i d/l it? > > > and will i still be able to play the ps2 games? > > > > -- > > "Psychic Convention. If you belong there, you will KNOW when and > where." > > > > shane > > http://www.mystic-light.net/personal/ > > Proud to be a DMOZ editor since 10-98 > > http://dmoz.org cause humans do it better! > > Link different. > > Profile at: http://dmoz.org/profiles/shen.html > > > > > > > > > > > -- > -- > > > > Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? > > Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com > > > > > > Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? > Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com > _ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] linux for sony ps2?
try this it's in Japanese (sorry if I spelt that wrong) but there is a link to translate it to English http://www.jp.playstation.com/linux/ Robert MacLean . - Original Message - From: "shane" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Wednesday, September 26, 2001 4:57 PM Subject: Re: [newbie] linux for sony ps2? > well you can start here http://news.zdnet.co.uk/story/0,,s2085867,00.html > > but it doesn't look promising. > > On Wednesday 26 September 2001 02:37, you spoke unto me thusly: > > just wondering but is there a mandrake version or any linux version for the > > ps2? > > if yes.. where can i d/l it? > > and will i still be able to play the ps2 games? > > -- > "Psychic Convention. If you belong there, you will KNOW when and where." > > shane > http://www.mystic-light.net/personal/ > Proud to be a DMOZ editor since 10-98 > http://dmoz.org cause humans do it better! > Link different. > Profile at: http://dmoz.org/profiles/shen.html > > > > -- -- > Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? > Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com > Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] linux for sony ps2?
well you can start here http://news.zdnet.co.uk/story/0,,s2085867,00.html but it doesn't look promising. On Wednesday 26 September 2001 02:37, you spoke unto me thusly: > just wondering but is there a mandrake version or any linux version for the > ps2? > if yes.. where can i d/l it? > and will i still be able to play the ps2 games? -- "Psychic Convention. If you belong there, you will KNOW when and where." shane http://www.mystic-light.net/personal/ Proud to be a DMOZ editor since 10-98 http://dmoz.org cause humans do it better! Link different. Profile at: http://dmoz.org/profiles/shen.html Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
[newbie] linux for sony ps2?
just wondering but is there a mandrake version or any linux version for the ps2? if yes.. where can i d/l it? and will i still be able to play the ps2 games? _ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com