Re: [newbie] KDE 2.2.1 on MD8...the saga continues...
On Saturday 27 October 2001 11:38 pm, you wrote: On Sat, 27 Oct 2001 18:43:50 -0700, John Hokanson Jr. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Okay, I'm 99% certain I'm going to have to upgrade to XFree86 4.1.0 if I want to have any chance of installing Textstars RPMs. I also have a LOAD of other dependencies I still need to satisfy. I went to the Xfree site and tried running the Xinstall.sh script with the -check flag. However, it will not display what version of the binaries I have to install. It says that Linux a.open is not longer supported. Any ideas what binaries I really need? - John What version of Mandrake do you have? If you plan on making such a major upgrade, I suggest that you upgrade to Mandrake 8.1. Not only is it easier, it also avoids many problems which can arise when upgrading XFree. I'm really getting sick of this though. The RPMDrake lockups, the fact that I get an invalid page fault when I try to start Ghaleon (shades of Win9x), the slowness and buggyness of KDE and almost all the other programs that come with Mandrake 8. The fact that Sawfish locked up when starting today (I have *NO* clue what's up with that). I just want my computer to work right, and Linux has been a complete bitch to set up properly. I've already spent money on two distributions. If I spend any more, I'll be fast approching the cost of an MS Windows upgrade. Everytime I get a new peice of Linux software, it's not good enough or has major bugs and I have to do it all over again. eon (shades of Win9x), the slowness and buggyness of KDE and almost all the other programs that come with Mandrake 8. The fact that Sawfish locked up when starting today (I have *NO* clue what's up with that). I just want my computer to work right, and Linux has been a complete bitch to set up properly. I've already spent money on two distributions. If I spend any more, I'll be fast approching the cost of an MS Windows product. Everytime I get a new peice of Linux software, it's not good enough or has major bugs and I have to do it all over again. So far the only thing that makes it better than Win9x is the fact that I can leave it running without having the reboot every couple of hours. That's not good enough. I've been fighting the urge to tear it from my HD and switch to NT. - John Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] KDE 2.2.1 on MD8...the saga continues...
On Sunday 28 October 2001 12:41 am, you wrote: There is always the possibility that your hardware is to blame. The problem is that these problems aren't random. If they were I'd be inclined to agree with you. These problems are reproduceable. Some of them are actually documented (like the RPMDrake problem). - John Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
RE: [newbie] KDE 2.2.1 on MD8...the saga continues...
What RPMdrake problem? So far I've had no problem with it. (Crossing fingers...). -JMS |-Original Message- |From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] |[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of John Hokanson Jr. |Sent: Sunday, October 28, 2001 2:53 AM |To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] |Subject: Re: [newbie] KDE 2.2.1 on MD8...the saga continues... | | |On Sunday 28 October 2001 12:41 am, you wrote: | There is always the possibility that your hardware is to blame. | | |The problem is that these problems aren't random. If they |were I'd be inclined to agree with you. These problems |are reproduceable. Some of them are actually documented |(like the RPMDrake problem). | |- John | | | Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] KDE 2.2.1 on MD8...the saga continues...
John Hokanson Jr. wrote: I just want my computer to work right, and Linux has been a complete bitch to set up properly. I've already spent money on two distributions. If I spend any more, I'll be fast approching the cost of an MS Windows product. Everytime I get a new peice of Linux software, it's not good enough or has major bugs and I have to do it all over again. So far the only thing that makes it better than Win9x is the fact that I can leave it running without having the reboot every couple of hours. That's not good enough. I've been fighting the urge to tear it from my HD and switch to NT. John, Sorry to hear you're having so much trouble. IIRC, you're running on a 200 Mhz. Pentium (something) with 64 MB ram. That's really not enough for Mandrake and KDE. Also, IMHO, Linux tends to be oversold at this point in time. Depending on your requirements, Linux might not be for you yet. I personally would rather see you back away from Linux now if it's not meeting your needs so that you are more ready to come back to Linux in the (near) future when it is ready to meet your needs. I'm going to look now for the other emails you sent about what you want to do in Linux. OK, here it is: The box will primarily be running KDE (or GNOME if I get completely fed up with the latency of KDE), act as a light file server, and maybe an internet gateway. Nothing major. Running KDE (or GNOME) is major, you will not get satisfactory performance (IMHO) with less than 128 MB of RAM, and even so it will be slower than the same box with Windows 95 or 98 (I can't speak for more up-to-date versions of Windows). IE will be faster than Konqueror or Mozilla. I think mail (like KMail) will be compatible in speed. You mention running an internet gateway -- does that mean you have some other computers? If so, you might consider setting this box up as the internet gateway and file server (it will do a terrific job) and also serve as your learning box for Linux in general and KDE (or GNOME) in particular. Then keep one of your other computers running Windows for the tasks than Linux is not as good at (yet). I don't know what else you might intend to do under KDE or GNOME, I jumped to the conclusion that you want email and web browsing. If you want file editing and light duty word processing, you will find what you need in KDE (or AbiWord), and, I think, aside from loading times, the response will be adequate. StarOffice has almost as many capabilities as Word (AFAICT), but takes 1 to 2 minutes to load on my machine (~200 Mhz, 128 MB). Other than StarOffice, I don't think there is a word processor on Linux that has all the features of Word97 (for example), including styles, collapsible outlining, collaboration, etc., although a Linux advocate might suggest that some of those capabilities don't belong in a word processor but should be done external to it. Hope this helps, Randy Kramer If you do decide to set Linux aside temporarily, feel free to lurk on this list and occasionally ask for an update on the state of Linux. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] KDE 2.2.1 on MD8...the saga continues...
On Sunday 28 October 2001 07:25 am, you wrote: John Hokanson Jr. wrote: I just want my computer to work right, and Linux has been a complete bitch to set up properly. I've already spent money on two distributions. If I spend any more, I'll be fast approching the cost of an MS Windows product. Everytime I get a new peice of Linux software, it's not good enough or has major bugs and I have to do it all over again. So far the only thing that makes it better than Win9x is the fact that I can leave it running without having the reboot every couple of hours. That's not good enough. I've been fighting the urge to tear it from my HD and switch to NT. John, Sorry to hear you're having so much trouble. IIRC, you're running on a 200 Mhz. Pentium (something) with 64 MB ram. That's really not enough for Mandrake and KDE. Also, IMHO, Linux tends to be oversold at this point in time. Depending on your requirements, Linux might not be for you yet. Well, I'd be willing to take the performance hit if I can get certain things working a little bit better. Like I don't know why I can't get Sawfish to load (so I can try it). I *MAY* have gotten RPMDrake to work by refreshing it's own internal database. I was actually able to uninstall Netscape last night. I *WILL* upgrade my RAM. In fact, I intend to do that before I put in another processor. Also, my other box under construction will run Windows 98. - John Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] KDE 2.2.1 on MD8...the saga continues...
John Hokanson Jr. wrote: Well, I'd be willing to take the performance hit if I can get certain things working a little bit better. Like I don't know why I can't get Sawfish to load (so I can try it). I can't help you there -- maybe somebody else can. (I'm running Mandrake 7.2, and, if Sawfish was one of the stock desktops (I can't really recall), it worked fine after an expert install. I *MAY* have gotten RPMDrake to work by refreshing it's own internal database. I was actually able to uninstall Netscape last night. Good! I *WILL* upgrade my RAM. In fact, I intend to do that before I put in another processor. Good! Also, my other box under construction will run Windows 98. Good! Randy Kramer Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
