Re: [newbie] Contrib sources and cooker RPMs
On Friday 30 May 2003 7:13 am, Len Lawrence wrote: On Thu, 29 May 2003 08:33:26 +0100 Anne Wilson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Thursday 29 May 2003 3:42 am, Joe Hill wrote: On Tue, 27 May 2003 08:12:10 +0100 Anne Wilson [EMAIL PROTECTED] uttered: Right. Now I'm totally ignorant on this. IIRC you started with 'cvs'? What exactly is this? It seems to be something later than cooker versions but not yet supported - or am I on the wrong track altogether? CVS - The VS stands for versioning system I think - the C might be coordinated or cooperative. It is something we used up at the Royal Observatory Edinburgh for software development projects under UNIX. Never really got the hang of it. It is supposed to provide a standardized way for members of a group to maintain, synchronize, and backup their efforts. The system may hold several snapshots of the programmers' work, including documentation, with all the roots and branches, making it possible to recover a complete version at any stage or even summarize the history of the project. I dimly recall that CVS was based on an earlier system called RCS (?). Thanks - oh and BTW, I love the sig g Anne Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Contrib sources and cooker RPMs
Hmm Royal Observatory Edinburgh? Do you know George Sherrifs undergrad or Meric who works there? Mike CVS - The VS stands for versioning system I think - the C might be coordinated or cooperative. It is something we used up at the Royal Observatory Edinburgh for software development projects under UNIX. Never really got the hang of it. It is supposed to provide a standardized way for members of a group to maintain, synchronize, and backup their efforts. The system may hold several snapshots of the programmers' work, including documentation, with all the roots and branches, making it possible to recover a complete version at any stage or even summarize the history of the project. I dimly recall that CVS was based on an earlier system called RCS (?). Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Contrib sources and cooker RPMs
On Fri, 30 May 2003 19:41:11 +0100 Michael Lothian [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hmm Royal Observatory Edinburgh? Do you know George Sherrifs undergrad or Meric who works there? No, sorry Mike. I retired 4 years ago. If they were there then I would have been too busy with the Michelle project to get to know anybody new. Cheers. -- Len Lawrence -- Progress might have been all right once, but it's gone on too long. -- Ogden Nash -- Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Contrib sources and cooker RPMs
Sorry, I forgot about your N.Hemisphere vocabulary! Translation: Whine whine whine. well, if you lived so close to g duhbulyuh, you'd be whinging too! Where *do* you live, Joe? Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Contrib sources and cooker RPMs
On Thu, 29 May 2003 08:33:26 +0100 Anne Wilson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Thursday 29 May 2003 3:42 am, Joe Hill wrote: On Tue, 27 May 2003 08:12:10 +0100 Anne Wilson [EMAIL PROTECTED] uttered: Right. Now I'm totally ignorant on this. IIRC you started with 'cvs'? What exactly is this? It seems to be something later than cooker versions but not yet supported - or am I on the wrong track altogether? CVS - The VS stands for versioning system I think - the C might be coordinated or cooperative. It is something we used up at the Royal Observatory Edinburgh for software development projects under UNIX. Never really got the hang of it. It is supposed to provide a standardized way for members of a group to maintain, synchronize, and backup their efforts. The system may hold several snapshots of the programmers' work, including documentation, with all the roots and branches, making it possible to recover a complete version at any stage or even summarize the history of the project. I dimly recall that CVS was based on an earlier system called RCS (?). -- Len Lawrence -- Things will get better despite our efforts to improve them. -- Will Rogers -- Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Contrib sources and cooker RPMs
On 29 May 2003 12:56:47 +1000 Stephen Kuhn [EMAIL PROTECTED] uttered: Whinge whinge whinge. ? -- Joehill Registered Linux user #282046 See where I sit all day: http://nodex.sytes.net 01:08:01 up 1 day, 14:30, 5 users, load average: 0.00, 0.00, 0.00 Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Contrib sources and cooker RPMs
On Thursday 29 May 2003 3:42 am, Joe Hill wrote: On Tue, 27 May 2003 08:12:10 +0100 Anne Wilson [EMAIL PROTECTED] uttered: Joe - I'm not sure I understand this. Are you saying that running --test means that it would stop you installing if it was not a compatible version? If that's so, I think you should add a note explaining that to the twiki tutorial. I was just trying it to make sure it would successfully install over urpmi, since I already have it installed from the devel source package. I would like to confirm that no RPMs available through contrib would be cooker RPMs, so that 1. I do not give people bad advice and inadvertantly tell them to install cooker RPMs and 2. That in general this is not a concern for all of us. Don't mind me if I have the wrong end of the stick Like I said, I just wanted to make sure that contrib would contain no cooker RPMs... Right. Now I'm totally ignorant on this. IIRC you started with 'cvs'? What exactly is this? It seems to be something later than cooker versions but not yet supported - or am I on the wrong track altogether? Anne Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Contrib sources and cooker RPMs
On Thu, 2003-05-29 at 15:08, Joe Hill wrote: On 29 May 2003 12:56:47 +1000 Stephen Kuhn [EMAIL PROTECTED] uttered: Whinge whinge whinge. ? Sorry, I forgot about your N.Hemisphere vocabulary! Translation: Whine whine whine. -- Thu May 29 17:35:01 EST 2003 17:35:01 up 30 min, 3 users, load average: 0.01, 0.05, 0.09 - |____ |kuhn media australia| | /-oo /| |'-. |http://kma.0catch.com | | .\__/ || | | || | _ / `._ \|_|_.-' |stephen kuhn| | | / \__.`=._) (_ | email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] | - linux user #:267497 linux machine #:194239 * MDK 9.1 RH 7.3 Mandrake Linux Kernel 2.4.21-11mdk Cooker for i586 - * This message was composed on a 100% Microsoft free computer * One-Shot Case Study, n.: The scientific equivalent of the four-leaf clover, from which it is concluded all clovers possess four leaves and are sometimes green. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Contrib sources and cooker RPMs
On Thursday 29 May 2003 8:37 am, Stephen Kuhn wrote: On Thu, 2003-05-29 at 15:08, Joe Hill wrote: On 29 May 2003 12:56:47 +1000 Stephen Kuhn [EMAIL PROTECTED] uttered: Whinge whinge whinge. ? Sorry, I forgot about your N.Hemisphere vocabulary! Translation: Whine whine whine. Maybe you misunderstood, Stephen. He was just replying to a query, not whinging. Anne Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Contrib sources and cooker RPMs
On Thu, 2003-05-29 at 17:33, Anne Wilson wrote: Right. Now I'm totally ignorant on this. IIRC you started with 'cvs'? What exactly is this? It seems to be something later than cooker versions but not yet supported - or am I on the wrong track altogether? Anne Let's clear this up. CVS code is code that's being worked on NOW - so probably nightly CVS builds of particular software are available to be compiled or mucked with. It hasn't really even reached alpha or beta testing. Cooker stuff is alpha/beta stuff that's been tested and compiled. Everything else is software to be used by the Anne Wilson's and Joe Hill's of the world. -- Thu May 29 17:50:01 EST 2003 17:50:01 up 45 min, 3 users, load average: 0.51, 0.29, 0.16 - |____ |kuhn media australia| | /-oo /| |'-. |http://kma.0catch.com | | .\__/ || | | || | _ / `._ \|_|_.-' |stephen kuhn| | | / \__.`=._) (_ | email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] | - linux user #:267497 linux machine #:194239 * MDK 9.1 RH 7.3 Mandrake Linux Kernel 2.4.21-11mdk Cooker for i586 - * This message was composed on a 100% Microsoft free computer * Gotcha, you snot-necked weenies! -- Post Bros. Comics Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Contrib sources and cooker RPMs
On Thu, 2003-05-29 at 17:41, Anne Wilson wrote: Sorry, I forgot about your N.Hemisphere vocabulary! Translation: Whine whine whine. Maybe you misunderstood, Stephen. He was just replying to a query, not whinging. Anne Ah well, he's still a whinger. (grin) (I think it's the accent nowadays - everytime I hear a N. American accent, it sounds like they're whinging, complaing, crying or all of the above). -- Thu May 29 17:50:01 EST 2003 17:50:01 up 45 min, 3 users, load average: 0.51, 0.29, 0.16 - |____ |kuhn media australia| | /-oo /| |'-. |http://kma.0catch.com | | .\__/ || | | || | _ / `._ \|_|_.-' |stephen kuhn| | | / \__.`=._) (_ | email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] | - linux user #:267497 linux machine #:194239 * MDK 9.1 RH 7.3 Mandrake Linux Kernel 2.4.21-11mdk Cooker for i586 - * This message was composed on a 100% Microsoft free computer * Gotcha, you snot-necked weenies! -- Post Bros. Comics Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Contrib sources and cooker RPMs
On Thursday 29 May 2003 8:53 am, Stephen Kuhn wrote: On Thu, 2003-05-29 at 17:33, Anne Wilson wrote: Right. Now I'm totally ignorant on this. IIRC you started with 'cvs'? What exactly is this? It seems to be something later than cooker versions but not yet supported - or am I on the wrong track altogether? Anne Let's clear this up. CVS code is code that's being worked on NOW - so probably nightly CVS builds of particular software are available to be compiled or mucked with. It hasn't really even reached alpha or beta testing. Cooker stuff is alpha/beta stuff that's been tested and compiled. Everything else is software to be used by the Anne Wilson's and Joe Hill's of the world. Thanks, Stephen. It seems I had it completely the wrong way round. It's a good job I asked g Anne Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Contrib sources and cooker RPMs
On 29 May 2003 17:53:31 +1000 Stephen Kuhn [EMAIL PROTECTED] uttered: Everything else is software to be used by the Anne Wilson's and Joe Hill's of the world. er, compiling from CVS is child's play...My mail client, browser, WM, and favourite game (Darkplaces), are all from CVS. eets a pce of caaake mon... :D -- Joehill Registered Linux user #282046 See where I sit all day: http://nodex.sytes.net 06:28:32 up 1 day, 19:50, 4 users, load average: 0.00, 0.00, 0.00 Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Contrib sources and cooker RPMs
On 29 May 2003 17:37:20 +1000 Stephen Kuhn [EMAIL PROTECTED] uttered: Sorry, I forgot about your N.Hemisphere vocabulary! Translation: Whine whine whine. well, if you lived so close to g duhbulyuh, you'd be whinging too! -- Joehill Registered Linux user #282046 See where I sit all day: http://nodex.sytes.net 06:42:52 up 1 day, 20:05, 4 users, load average: 0.00, 0.00, 0.00 Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Contrib sources and cooker RPMs
On Thu, 29 May 2003 12:13:05 +0100 Anne Wilson [EMAIL PROTECTED] uttered: Might be a piece of cake, but by definition must carry some risk. Risk assessments, ya know? well, it depends. Something like Pekwm or Sylpheed or Darkplaces, these are people who've been coding since they were 12. So, subsequently, their code is very stable and reliable. I never have problems with *any* of the CVS versions that I use. I have more problems with some contrib rpms than I do CVS. For example, mplayer crashes every once in awhile, and don't even get me started on Gimp, crashes every third or fourth time I use it. And there's never any risk of damage to my system that I've ever seen or experienced of heard of on any of the devel lists I subscribe to. I would say the difficulty and risk of running alpha software is relative to the coder, but is vastly overstated in general. -- Joehill Registered Linux user #282046 See where I sit all day: http://nodex.sytes.net 08:28:53 up 1 day, 21:51, 4 users, load average: 0.16, 0.04, 0.01 Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
